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Tesfa Alem wrote:

Since all closed beta vets had a respec for uprising and got a SECOND respec complaining they didn't know what they were doing i cannot understand why now, with all of the suits and bonuses being reworked from the bottom up anyone would be against a respec.

If it was merely new content, then no i would not want a repec. I'd just add the caldari (for example)scout to my adv heavy, proto minmatar logi, and adv gallente scout trifecta. I like adding new things to my collection. I have adv in all of the basic suits except minmatar scout, all of the assaults to level 1, and level 1 logis cuz its fun.

But take my proto minmatar logi for example. Now he can no longer hack, has no passive regen, all of his equipment is nerfed because he is Minmatar. His rep tool bonus has to be proto just to get back to where it is now. 2.5 million i inested into him and CCP is going to take away every reason i spent 2.5 million into him on the advice of the CPM. So yeah i think they owe me beack my SP. Too bad they cant go back in time and give me back the month i spent grinding for him, but hey, thats CCP for you.

I love my heavy suit but the only reason its amarr is because that was it. So sympathise with the heavies on that one.

I'll probably spend post 1.8 collecting the suits like pokemon, but dammit CCP you screw with what people invested hours of thier lives into for a specific goal, the least you could do is give a respec.

Also, i run tanks, so i remember how much the infantry was complaining about the well deserved vehicle respec. Now you get to have yours too.

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Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:03:00 - [1] - Quote As you all know people have been begging for a respec to come with the upcoming 1.8 patch. I thought I would share my veteran outlook on what a respec could do... First off there is a lot of good things a respec could do, such as....Bringing back old players who made bad decisions, help people who really like the LORE of EVE fight for their faction, and help people defend themselves from the proto stompers. Some of peoples concerns are that everyone will spec into the FOTM, and i get that, that has been a huge problem for a while. But i personally think a respec would be good, and I would definitely use it to spec into all Caldari suits even if they are crap. I think a full respec would be good but rather unlikely.....but a weapon and suits respec would still be okay, not hurting anyone...... What do you guys think? what are the pros and cons to having a respec? I never get on the forums to post, but today I made an exception cuz I know I made bad specing decisions and I have definetly paid the price...I currently only have around 15 mil isk (not a lot for a veteran) and cant afford going any higher than advance. At one point I though of just deleting my character and starting over, but it was hard and I was thinking about just deleting Dust, but Dust being Dust.... just wouldnt let me go So personally I say a respec would be great for me and a lot of people like me. stay cool mercs! Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 246	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:17:00 - [2] - Quote ^this +1 Scr and commando enthusiast. ARC Commander "A closed mouth gathers no foot"
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1706	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:20:00 - [3] - Quote And you think people won't make a "bad decision" after another respec? Implying that it's possible to waste SP. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10475	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:20:00 - [4] - Quote Full infantry respec or bust. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1366	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:34:00 - [5] - Quote I've got about 30 mil SP and only slighty regret spending about 2 mil of it. If we don't get a respec I wont be upset, I've invested most my SP into dropsuit upgrade skills so I'll always find a use for it. On the other hand if they do give us a suit and weapon respect I'll likely go straight Gallente. My only problem with respecs is that if they have a clearly overpowered weapon or suit that everyone will jump on them like the CalLogi TAR days. I want them to balance everything before they hand out another respec. Most vets shouldn't need one, and new players don't benifit as much as vets do. My stance is I won't complain if they do it, assuming this is the last one, but with new racial vehicle come new vehicle rebalances as well, and unless that was a vehicle only respec, I'd rather wait until then for the final one. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4710	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:42:00 - [6] - Quote People already go for the FoTM... so I can't see how that's an argument to stop a respec "Oh Caldari is the best suit now! No problem, I'll get boosters and have a proto Caldari suit in no time" Same goes for weapons, but tbh, weapons are easier. I had almost all proto weapons before I stopped playing DUST. Didn't have proto scrambler pistols, swarm launchers... that's it. I'll have enough SP to get whatever the "best weapon" is right now if i wanted to play. So yea, how exactly is stopping a respec suppose to stop this FoTM trend? I don't know, maybe CCP balancing their game properly will fix that... no? Naaaaa ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Onesimus Tarsus 1035	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:46:00 - [7] - Quote I wish I had a stance on this issue. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care. Matchmaking by KDR proximity. :)
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2675	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:51:00 - [8] - Quote +1 to the OP. This topic has been discussed and it seems like the largest group of ANTI-RESPEC folks come from Eve and bring that mentality here. The benefits of a respec far outweigh the negatives at this juncture. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4711	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:53:00 - [9] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: +1 to the OP. This topic has been discussed and it seems like the largest group of ANTI-RESPEC folks come from Eve and bring that mentality here. The benefits of a respec far outweigh the negatives at this juncture. People been asking for respecs for how long now... I was asking for it so I could spec OUT of heavy and into a viable class that have more than 1 suit... guess I needed to HTFU because that wasn't a good enough reason ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 4	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:56:00 - [10] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: People already go for the FoTM... so I can't see how that's an argument to stop a respec "Oh Caldari is the best suit now! No problem, I'll get boosters and have a proto Caldari suit in no time" Same goes for weapons, but tbh, weapons are easier. I had almost all proto weapons before I stopped playing DUST. Didn't have proto scrambler pistols, swarm launchers... that's it. I'll have enough SP to get whatever the "best weapon" is right now if i wanted to play. So yea, how exactly is stopping a respec suppose to stop this FoTM trend? I don't know, maybe CCP balancing their game properly will fix that... no? Naaaaa Yes true but I think some people just seem like since everyone will have enough sp, youlle see people running aroun in the same fit but I do agree not much of an arguement like thor said Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.

Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 561	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:56:00 - [11] - Quote Dropsuit command should be refunded since they are giving us racial parity (Huzzah!) and changing existing suit skills radically. Dropsuit upgrades should be refunded, because you may be moving from logi to assault, and don't need skills in all the equipment. Or moving to a shield suit and won't be using those armor modules anymore. Or out of scout and so don't need profile dampening 5. Weapons should be refunded since certain suits are bonused with certain weapons, and it wouldn't make sense to give you a dropsuit command refund and not refund you weapon sp to get the maximum use out of your suit. Full infantry refund. I'm for it.
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 875	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:58:00 - [12] - Quote I'm all for Dropsuit Command respec. Maybe weaponry, but I'm too biased about it because my swarms got nerfed and dropships just completely ignore flaylock rounds. There are supposed to be racial nova knives, racial pistol, racial SMGs. (we have 2 pistols now and 2 confirmed in 1.8, 1 smg and 1 more confirmed for 1.8) And since we have all the racial rifles out I kinda like the idea of a Weaponry respec just because it would improve the weapon diversity on the field. But again, too muh QQ'ing on my part about my nerfed weapons for me to count. Not in favor of a respec for dropsuit upgrades. You only want those points back because you want to optimize SP expenditures even though dropsuit upgrades 5 is the only way to waste SP in that tree. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected]
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10475	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:59:00 - [13] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: +1 to the OP. This topic has been discussed and it seems like the largest group of ANTI-RESPEC folks come from Eve and bring that mentality here. The benefits of a respec far outweigh the negatives at this juncture. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:59:00 - [14] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: And you think people won't make a "bad decision" after another respec? Implying that it's possible to waste SP. No people of couse will make bad decisions but now that there will be every suit it wont be as extreme I remember when I went to level 5 AR cuz it was the only good weapon and the only AR. but now a rail rifle and cobat rifle could take me and my AR down in seconds Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2498	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:00:00 - [15] - Quote Gimme Command and Weapons Respec CCP Upgrades would be nice, but not necessary, as those skills are almost never wasted. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 10	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:02:00 - [16] - Quote CRNWLLC was born at the end of last May, but I didn't really start playing Dust until 3 - 4 months ago. I'm sitting at about 12m SP and at this point know exactly how I like to play. A respec would be great for me because it would allow me to "clean up" my skillstrees--for example, I have two levels in Scrambler Pistol, 4 levels in ScR (with 2 - 4 in rapid reload and ammo, I think), one level in Minmatar scout, and Caldari suits to level 3 (no assault or logi levels though). I haven't really run and of that gear since I first minimally trained into them, so I'd basically move all those SP over to Gallente scout and Amarr logi, as they'd be more use to me there. Have you seen my baseball?
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 82	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:04:00 - [17] - Quote Since all closed beta vets had a respec for uprising and got a SECOND respec complaining they didn't know what they were doing i cannot understand why now, with all of the suits and bonuses being reworked from the bottom up anyone would be against a respec. If it was merely new content, then no i would not want a repec. I'd just add the caldari (for example)scout to my adv heavy, proto minmatar logi, and adv gallente scout trifecta. I like adding new things to my collection. I have adv in all of the basic suits except minmatar scout, all of the assaults to level 1, and level 1 logis cuz its fun. But take my proto minmatar logi for example. Now he can no longer hack, has no passive regen, all of his equipment is nerfed because he is Minmatar. His rep tool bonus has to be proto just to get back to where it is now. 2.5 million i inested into him and CCP is going to take away every reason i spent 2.5 million into him on the advice of the CPM. So yeah i think they owe me beack my SP. Too bad they cant go back in time and give me back the month i spent grinding for him, but hey, thats CCP for you. I love my heavy suit but the only reason its amarr is because that was it. So sympathise with the heavies on that one. I'll probably spend post 1.8 collecting the suits like pokemon, but dammit CCP you screw with what people invested hours of thier lives into for a specific goal, the least you could do is give a respec. Also, i run tanks, so i remember how much the infantry was complaining about the well deserved vehicle respec. Now you get to have yours too. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Chris F2112 Pradox One Proficiency V. 542	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:06:00 - [18] - Quote My goodness. It's affect, not effect. The respec is not going to make the game come into existence. Sorry, it's just that I've had to correct tons of people on that.
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:06:00 - [19] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Since all closed beta vets had a respec for uprising and got a SECOND respec complaining they didn't know what they were doing i cannot understand why now, with all of the suits and bonuses being reworked from the bottom up anyone would be against a respec. If it was merely new content, then no i would not want a repec. I'd just add the caldari (for example)scout to my adv heavy, proto minmatar logi, and adv gallente scout trifecta. I like adding new things to my collection. I have adv in all of the basic suits except minmatar scout, all of the assaults to level 1, and level 1 logis cuz its fun. But take my proto minmatar logi for example. Now he can no longer hack, has no passive regen, all of his equipment is nerfed because he is Minmatar. His rep tool bonus has to be proto just to get back to where it is now. 2.5 million i inested into him and CCP is going to take away every reason i spent 2.5 million into him on the advice of the CPM. So yeah i think they owe me beack my SP. Too bad they cant go back in time and give me back the month i spent grinding for him, but hey, thats CCP for you. I love my heavy suit but the only reason its amarr is because that was it. So sympathise with the heavies on that one. I'll probably spend post 1.8 collecting the suits like pokemon, but dammit CCP you screw with what people invested hours of thier lives into for a specific goal, the least you could do is give a respec. Also, i run tanks, so i remember how much the infantry was complaining about the well deserved vehicle respec. Now you get to have yours too. ^ definitely says a lot People have been saying for years... When we get all the racial suits out then we should get a full respec Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6274	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:08:00 - [20] - Quote People arguing FOTM, can you tell me what the FOTM will be in 1.8? Honestly most the problems with FOTM before were because there wasn't many options to choose from. Right now I here people saying scouts will be FOTM with cloaks, or Commandos with free damage mods, or Sentinels with all that resistance, quite frankly they all sound really good. And then you have all the racial choices. I just don't see any one particular FOTM becoming the dominant thing. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open

Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 6	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:08:00 - [21] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: My goodness. It's affect, not effect. The respec is not going to make the game come into existence. Sorry, it's just that I've had to correct tons of people on that. oops my bad Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 6	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:13:00 - [22] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: People arguing FOTM, can you tell me what the FOTM will be in 1.8? Honestly most the problems with FOTM before were because there wasn't many options to choose from. Right now I here people saying scouts will be FOTM with cloaks, or Commandos with free damage mods, or Sentinels with all that resistance, quite frankly they all sound really good. And then you have all the racial choices. I just don't see any one particular FOTM becoming the dominant thing. yes I think with the new suits Dust will be a new game Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1320	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:22:00 - [23] - Quote After the last respec I spent my points wisely, and was very happy with minmatar scout, month later, strafe changes, endurance nerf, armor buff, op rifle ranges , scr, faylocks, mass drivers, spent the next 4 months going armor and gallente scout. Now I have both so who cares but, for about half a yr I cursed CCP every day an I don't wanna go through that BS again! SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 6	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:28:00 - [24] - Quote OZAROW wrote: After the last respec I spent my points wisely, and was very happy with minmatar scout, month later, strafe changes, endurance nerf, armor buff, op rifle ranges , scr, faylocks, mass drivers, spent the next 4 months going armor and gallente scout. Now I have both so who cares but, for about half a yr I cursed CCP every day an I don't wanna go through that BS again! Yes but some of us didnt spend it wisely and would want another opportunity to, plus a respec wouldnt hurt you...just spec into the same exact things CCP just give us one more chance to spec into the right things (our facton)!!!! We wont screw up this time Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
Vance Vyth State Covenant AQ 60	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:31:00 - [25] - Quote A respec will breath new life into a dying game. That is all. (a¦ê+ä-£a¦ê) n++Gö¦pâçGòÉGÇö _ - (a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ) "60+"
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1707	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:37:00 - [26] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: +1 to the OP. This topic has been discussed and it seems like the largest group of ANTI-RESPEC folks come from Eve and bring that mentality here. The benefits of a respec far outweigh the negatives at this juncture. Tell me: What reason would the skillsystem have if people would get a respec every time they asked? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10476	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:38:00 - [27] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: +1 to the OP. This topic has been discussed and it seems like the largest group of ANTI-RESPEC folks come from Eve and bring that mentality here. The benefits of a respec far outweigh the negatives at this juncture. Tell me: What reason would the skillsystem have if people would get a respec every time they asked? I've seen plenty of people asking for respecs all through the entire beta.....I have yet to see an on demand respec..... Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 103	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:46:00 - [28] - Quote I think it should just be weapons and suits... the upgrades like others said help no matter what race you are
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 591	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:49:00 - [29] - Quote They're finally adding the suits and weapons that should have been in the game on "release" day. Yes a respec is in order. In fact there should be another respec after they add the rest of the vehicles into the game that are supposed to be there already. It's only fair. The FOTM argument is irrelevant. If there's a FOTM, you're going to see a crapload of people using it regardless. Like in this build, there was no respec, but everyone is using tanks, RRs and CRs. Doesn't make one bit of difference. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole Durka durka.... Bitch.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 878	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:54:00 - [30] - Quote there is no current FOTM. this as an excuse not to allow a respec is pointless. yes everyone has made bad decisions in the past but that was mostly based on misleading skills or stat changes. with the new weapons and suits we are finally in a position to make informed choices on what skills we want or need. without a respec players in heavy suits for instance will be unbalanced. if they want to stay amarr then they will be stronger, if they want to go caldari then they will have to start from scratch. the current lack of gear forced people to spec into gear they didn't want just to fulfill a role they did want. its unfair to force them to abandoned all their sp in those roles to get what they want while others dont have to https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find



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