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LuckyLuke Wargan
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.02 01:31:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:We just had all vehicle SP refunded. I would imagine dropsuit command will be refunded with the addition of the racial suits. If dropsuit upgrades change drastically i would imagine there would be a refund there as well. Weapons are not going to change much, just new weapons added. No need for a refund there. When all is said and done that is damn near a full respec. At what point do people start spending SP wisely? Only after a full respec? And after said full respec, what do you tell the next mob of people who will want a fresh respec a week later? Do you tell them no because you got your final respec and you are happy?
Give a full respec, doesn't really matter. I will enjoy a good laugh when respec threads keep flooding the forums after said respec. Let respecs be available at all times for Aur. Problem solved, CCP makes money and people can have respecs for a price. OR do like many other MMOs and have respec milestones or cost increase per each use, for exemple, can have first respec at 5M sp... next at 12, next at 20, etc... or increase price so first 5M isk, or other aurum currency, 10M for the next, 15M for next, etc, making it not something you want to do every day. Other MMOs do it, why not this one?
"Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!"
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I feed on tanker tears...
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.02.02 01:45:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I hope they give the stupid refund so all you QQers will STFU. It will change little. The same people will complain about the same things and it won't help stop proto stomps. Good players are good and they will dominate bad players every time. If/when they give the respec I hope they tell all of you to pi$$ off. It isn't that bad and setting a precedent for a respec only encourages the call for more down the line.
I try not to say this often but HTFU.
List of positives. Makes people FEEL good.
List of negatives. It hurts news players by allowing older players with vastly more SP to build perfect fits. It hurts the lore/idea of choices have consequences. Makes us look like crybaby candy a$$es to EVE pilots. Sets a precedent for more respecs, especially to new players because they say "vets had one why can't we?".
Don't get me wrong, I think CCP have painted themselves into a corner and now have to issue a refund. I am worried that the same thing will happen with an infantry refund as a vehicle refund. All things will be broken and everyone will call for nerf/buff or nothing will change because the fitting warriors will do the math on the fits to have the perfect fit. No one with use anything except prototype gear and we will be in the exact same spot we are now. The best thing people could be doing now is saving SP instead of demanding refunds. When the refund hits and everyone prototypes the first day think how many nerf/ buff threads will pop up and when the gear is buffed/nerfed everyone will cry that CCP made their fit useless, just like they do now.
U have some good points but I think it would help the noobs against proto stompers. But the point is that everyone who has a specific faction couldn't spec into it because the suits just weren't there, so we definitely deserve a respe because of the fact we had no other option than to spec into the stuff that existed.
I say they should give us a full respec then that's it cuz in thr future we won't need one for weapons cuz they're easy to skill into, we won't need them for vehicles because there's simply just one type. With suits the heavys and scouts are coming and for once we can finally spec into our races. I know it sounds typicall but this is the last time we need one!
Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2014.02.02 18:44:00 -
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Respecs for money, as many have said, go against what the game is about. Its about tough love and unchecked anger. This constant demand for respecs is akin to people saying the Dark Souls franchise is to hard and it needs to be way easier. Dust is suppose to be about not only living with your decisions, but owning them, making the playstyle you chose work because you are a Dust merc and thats what we do.
I would agree with a respec for rookies, at a max of 5mil SP.
That being said, im sure CCP will break down and start selling respecs for AUR one day, which I wouldn't agree with at all.
I've heard it plenty before but I went through Jim Jones' suicide tape transcript to find a good quote...jesus christ.
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Herman Hardon
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:02:00 -
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Full respec + 1 |
Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:06:00 -
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All the base content for infantry is being released = A damn respec
New born sAMARRi
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:09:00 -
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most the ppl who say no to respec are eve players and ppl who want dust to fail .not all just most iv seen . respec will help tons . since they are reallly changen skill tree i think we will buuuut this should be the very last one . we will have most of the stuff that was said from the start . |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:13:00 -
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Unlike all the people wanting a respec because they made bad decisions, I want one because I made good ones. In this case too good of a decision so the community cried about it turning my good decision into something else.
Also I want Caldari Scout and heavy. Been wanting those for a long time.
Edit: and I want my sp back from my Gallente AR now that I have my racial weapon.
"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
10528
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:25:00 -
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Respecs ruin FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR less than billions of free ISK being poured into peoples pockets thanks to broken PC.
People bitching that respecs will cause proto stomps clearly aren't up to speed with the game as is.
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:27:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Respecs ruin FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR less than billions of free ISK being poured into peoples pockets thanks to broken PC.
People bitching that respecs will cause proto stomps clearly aren't up to speed with the game as is. It will even out the field and they will die due to lack of skill so they become no respec people
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter mlt frame,
Templar set
Caldari Master Race
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1005
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:31:00 -
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The first new respec thread appears on forums the day after a respec.
It is inevitable, going to that road is an endless cycle.
"A wild respec thread appears"
Masochism L5.
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:49:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:The first new respec thread appears on forums the day after a respec.
It is inevitable, going to that road is an endless cycle.
"A wild respec thread appears" GO "HTFU"! "HTFU" uses too bad! Its super effective! Respec thread fainted. You gained 2xp
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter mlt frame,
Templar set
Caldari Master Race
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1719
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:56:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:As you all know people have been begging for a respec to come with the upcoming 1.8 patch. I thought I would share my veteran outlook on what a respec could do... First off there is a lot of good things a respec could do, such as....Bringing back old players who made bad decisions, help people who really like the LORE of EVE fight for their faction, and help people defend themselves from the proto stompers. Some of peoples concerns are that everyone will spec into the FOTM, and i get that, that has been a huge problem for a while. But i personally think a respec would be good, and I would definitely use it to spec into all Caldari suits even if they are crap. I think a full respec would be good but rather unlikely.....but a weapon and suits respec would still be okay, not hurting anyone...... What do you guys think? what are the pros and cons to having a respec? I never get on the forums to post, but today I made an exception cuz I know I made bad specing decisions and I have definetly paid the price...I currently only have around 15 mil isk (not a lot for a veteran) and cant afford going any higher than advance. At one point I though of just deleting my character and starting over, but it was hard and I was thinking about just deleting Dust, but Dust being Dust.... just wouldnt let me go So personally I say a respec would be great for me and a lot of people like me. stay cool mercs! Playstyles need to change. Some want a full racial line. Others might want 3 scanners on a Gal logi for full 360-¦ scanned awareness. Others want to throw out 30 uplinks. Others want to deploy a ton of nanohives. Others want to rep at incredible range and at a high rate. Some may want a full Caldari load. There may be others like me that choose one suit, but still use all the equipment. I want to wait and see about any new hulls and turrets.
A respec was needed because they were changing everything about vehicles. Another one will be needed because they're changing most everything about infantry.
I haven't even read your OP because I assume it to be against respecs. Is it?
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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TunRa
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
452
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:08:00 -
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Respec dropsuit command, done.
Thanks CCP Foxfour
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
460
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:18:00 -
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Refunds are fine. The vehicle refund obiously had to happen, and im sure there will be an infantry one just out of principle.
However, i was a noob. I bounced around for weeks from dead corp to dead corp to npc corp. I had no vet help. I did my homework, i got on the forums, i read the skill tree over and over and over and over again. I stayed away from the temptations of the market, and i paid attention to what i was seeing in the field. I did what i always do in games involving xp and figuring i wouldnt get my xp (sp) back, i waited till around 3mil before i spent a drop.
I dont play PC, im not worried about fotm. I worked hard and spent and continue to spend my sp wisely. Many people have spread themselves thin, and keep doing it, they just dont stop. If the people who wanted respecs when i started playing in JULY still want respecs then, well, you're doing it wrong.
I've heard it plenty before but I went through Jim Jones' suicide tape transcript to find a good quote...jesus christ.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1715
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:28:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:And you think people won't make a "bad decision" after another respec? Implying that it's possible to waste SP. No people of couse will make bad decisions but now that there will be every suit it wont be as extreme I remember when I went to level 5 AR cuz it was the only good weapon and the only AR. but now a rail rifle and cobat rifle could take me and my AR down in seconds
But people wil make bad decisions then too. Why aren't they allowed another respec if people got one because of bad decisions back then?
Skilling into something you won't use all the time doesn't set you back a bit. It just gives your more possibilities to use. The whole respec stuff doesn't make sense in Dust at all. Because you don't have some kind of level cap.
I too have "wasted" some SP on Assault Rifles and Combat Rifles. I too "wasted" SP on some suits I don't use. And I'm talking about leveling proto suits to Level 5 I now don't use. Heck. I even got about 400k SP in vehicles. But who cares? I still get SP. I can still skill into everything I want to use and hey: Who knows? Maybe I will use one of those weapons or suits I now don't use at all again. Maybe I'll need these skills later again anyways because CCP adds suits which require skills in more than one type of Dropsuit? And even if they don't: More suits means you have more fittings to create and to play with.
If you think you have "wasted" SP don't bother. Just skill into what you want to use next. A new advanced suit takes 2 weeks at max.
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Malek McRoland
DUST University Ivy League
192
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:50:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Respecs for money, as many have said, go against what the game is about. Its about tough love and unchecked anger. This constant demand for respecs is akin to people saying the Dark Souls franchise is to hard and it needs to be way easier. Dust is suppose to be about not only living with your decisions, but owning them, making the playstyle you chose work because you are a Dust merc and thats what we do.
I would agree with a respec for rookies, at a max of 5mil SP.
That being said, im sure CCP will break down and start selling respecs for AUR one day, which I wouldn't agree with at all.
Dark Souls offered more armor than Dust offers to this day. Dark Souls at least let you know you were going to get your arse kicked. Dust has an academy that gives the player one-maybe two battles then throws them into the Rankour pit.
A respec for Dropsuit Command is not the end of the world. So stop blubbering about how this video game is like real life choices being made real in a virtual world. It's a game; therefore treat like one and stop worrying about dropsuits respecs. Let's turn the attention to more gamemodes aside from Pubs or FW bloodfests.
Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter
Tanks....shut up.
Raise TTK!! Or we'll go on strike....doing strike....things.....
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
2709
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Posted - 2014.02.02 21:05:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:+1 to the OP.
This topic has been discussed and it seems like the largest group of ANTI-RESPEC folks come from Eve and bring that mentality here.
The benefits of a respec far outweigh the negatives at this juncture. Tell me: What reason would the skillsystem have if people would get a respec every time they asked?
I'm the kind of guy who could accept a form of built in RESPEC system to keep things interesting, but I see the other side go that issue.
This RESPEC would be about providing access to things that "should" have been here some time ago. Also how can a decision matter if only one of four potential choices is available (Heavy Suit)?
I'll be near 40 Mil SP by the time 1.8 hits, it's not a big deal for me. My core skills and accessory skills are maxed out for the most part.
In 10 mil SP I'll have 5 proto suits and over 10 proto weapons.
The short sighted folks fear what the high SP folks would do with a RESPEC, but it's the waves of 10-15 mil SP players that will hopefully specialize a bit with the necessary experience to make their decisions count.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1174
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Posted - 2014.02.02 23:08:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:+1 to the OP.
This topic has been discussed and it seems like the largest group of ANTI-RESPEC folks come from Eve and bring that mentality here.
The benefits of a respec far outweigh the negatives at this juncture. Tell me: What reason would the skillsystem have if people would get a respec every time they asked?
What reason is there to deny a yearly fix to a game that may die otherwise??
Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!!
Jumps into escape pod!
Selected destination Planet PS4.
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
25
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Posted - 2014.02.03 05:12:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:Unlike all the people wanting a respec because they made bad decisions, I want one because I made good ones. In this case too good of a decision so the community cried about it turning my good decision into something else.
Also I want Caldari Scout and heavy. Been wanting those for a long time.
Edit: and I want my sp back from my Gallente AR now that I have my racial weapon. Haha this ^ exactly except for the good decisions part
Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
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Tectonic Fusion
1022
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Posted - 2014.02.03 05:43:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:People arguing FOTM, can you tell me what the FOTM will be in 1.8? Honestly most the problems with FOTM before were because there wasn't many options to choose from. Right now I here people saying scouts will be FOTM with cloaks, or Commandos with free damage mods, or Sentinels with all that resistance, quite frankly they all sound really good. And then you have all the racial choices. I just don't see any one particular FOTM becoming the dominant thing. Exacta.
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