Anyways, aside from that small fact here is the proof that CCP intended DUST 514 to include KB/M compatibility. Dust 514 Keyboard and mouse bundles offer.

In the past the KB/M put you at a huge advantage because you can spam a/d to strafe faster than a DS3 could, making KB/M players impossible to kill in CQC.

The playstation has had compatibility to the KB/M since the PS2. Dust 514 in the PS3 is no exception. It here and it's staying even though DS3 get a boost by using the DS3 with AA. Even before AA and after the myth that KB/M is better than DS3 was only there because all PC titles in which the KB/M is used have aim assist maing users thinks it better. It's not, it's a question of input and how people get used to it. Before AA, people in DUst 514 consistently competed with KB/M users and most of the time the person engaging you had a DS3 even though many people blamed their death on KB/M users.

Anyways, aside from that small fact here is the proof that CCP intended DUST 514 to include KB/M compatibility. Dust 514 Keyboard and mouse bundles offer.

strafing speed is always the same. Be it DS3 or KB/M.

DS3 was only there because all PC titles in which the KB/M is used have aim assist maing users thinks it better. It's not, ...

Well when i sneak behind someone, shoot at him and he turns around in LITERALLY 0.00001 second and kill me , i know is KBM and its not that its BETTER, its just not FAIR.

Aiming with a POINTER/MOUSE is 100% EASIER than doing it with a DS3...

DUST WILL NEVER GO TO PC


EVER !!!!


get over it and uses the PS3 / PS4 Controller LIKE A MAN !!

Well when i sneak behind someone, shoot at him and he turns around in LITERALLY 0.00001 second and kill me , i know is KBM and its not that its BETTER, its just not FAIR.

Aiming with a POINTER/MOUSE is 100% EASIER than doing it with a DS3...

DUST WILL NEVER GO TO PC


EVER !!!!


get over it and uses the PS3 / PS4 Controller LIKE A MAN !!

Confirming dust is dying because kb/m users whine that they can't compete and out do controller users now.

In other news today no one gives a ****.

LOL no one is complaining in this thread. I am stating that the DS3 users that cry about KB/M should get over it

In the past the KB/M put you at a huge advantage because you can spam a/d to strafe faster than a DS3 could, making KB/M players impossible to kill in CQC.

strafing speed is always the same. Be it DS3 or KB/M.

Also I really have to question the statements that strafing with KB/M makes you somewhat harder to hit. If you would switch directions so fast that the difference between KB/M and DS3 became recognisable you would almost be standing still. Some people are just able to strafe very fast, no matter what kind of input they are using.

In the past the KB/M put you at a huge advantage because you can spam a/d to strafe faster than a DS3 could, making KB/M players impossible to kill in CQC.

And no, it is not possible with the controller.

The problem with the KB/M has nothing at all to do with the game and AA. It's the fact that there's a huge physical disparity between the two.

Using a mouse requires far less muscle movements and provides much more accurate precision simply based on the way you can physically move the device. You are controlling the X and Y axis on a single fluid movement of your arm and wrist. A DS3 has to use two thumbs tilting in separate directions to achieve what a flick of the wrist can.

To do an easy example to prove this point : Draw a circle in the air using your gun. While both can be easily accomplished on either input device, it's obvious to anyone with minuscule intelligence to notice that the person with the Mouse not only drew a much better circle (in terms of attempting to draw a perfect circle), he achieved it much faster. I know this to be fact, for my 10 year old nephew had no issues answering the question when i asked him which looked more like a circle. Then proceeded to let him do it, and acquire the exact same results. Just to drive the point, i asked him which was easier to do it with. "The mouse of course!"

Point number 2 : If the KB/M / DS3 are truly balanced and there is absolutely no difference between them, then why did CCP implement "limitations" on the KB/M to "simulate the DS3" so that there is "no unfair advantage" in their competitive enviroment? Then proceed for 2 years to try and "attempt a fair balance between the two inputs"? Strange, if they are already balanced why all the stress and frustration of failing miserably to achieve balance between the two? And why hasn't there been any other console FPS to try and achieve this balance? Why have some reviewers on Dust made the statement that CCP is the first company to try and create a balance between the Controller and the KB/M?

Point number 3 : I challenge you to find any FPS game currently released that has a community that is debating on if KB/M / DS3 are balanced or not. I'll help you ; they don't exist. There isn't a single other FPS game where KB/M users claim absolute balance between two obviously imbalanced forms of controlling input. This is the only community that has repeated the same bulshit about KB/M they actually started to believe it.

It's honestly quite interesting to see how so many people are choosing to ignore what is common logic in the gaming world.

GÇ£Naturally, support for these devices means that different players in the same match might be using different controllers. Our matchmaking system allows us to support all of these input devices without disrupting the balance of the game GÇô youGÇÖll be matched against players who perform at your skill level, regardless of what controller you (or they) choose to use. The system maintains a separate ranking for each input device, so players should feel free to experiment with each one.GÇ¥

the fact that this thread exists baffles me. KB/M is an accepted input it should be the equal of the DS3, not better, not worse, but exactly equal.

ITT: DS3 players blowing the advantages of KBM in Dust way out of proportion.

Chromosome had great KBM and DS3 aiming mechanics. KBM wasn't god-tier. DS3 players were still at the top in the leader boards. We all played together just fine. Once Uprising dropped, the KBM went to shite while DS3 was still functional. Now it also has AA giving it an even bigger advantage over KBM.

There's no good reason to leave the KBM as it is now. It's impossible to aim the thing straight. It's not balanced at all. It's crippled. It needs to be fixed.

There's no good reason to leave the KBM as it is now. It's impossible to aim the thing straight....

believe it or not, there IS a difference between "McFurious cant..." and "It's impossible".

In the past the KB/M put you at a huge advantage because you can spam a/d to strafe faster than a DS3 could, making KB/M players impossible to kill in CQC.

Please, correct me but I believe this is still the case.

One of the Devs that has been showcasing the game at conferances said it will be ported to the computer later. Dont know if i belive it tho. Saw it in a video. Been googeling "ccp dust developers pictures" to find him cuz i dont remember his tag name. Google dident yield tonite tho

Yep, still the case.

It takes a fraction of a second longer to switch from strafing left to strafing right on the DS3.

Almost instantaneous on the keyboard.

Just another physical disparity between the two that shows the obvious imbalance.

Edit - Though in all honesty the grenade key being where it is, is definitely a disadvantage that needs to be fixed. Still not sure why we can't edit the control layout....

Maybe CCP have finally realised that if the game were released on PC as well, we'd get more crossover players from EVE. I've seen more than a few say they'd try the game, but they don't want to go out and buy a PS3 just to play it. That may change now the PS4 is out and prices should drop.

Originally we got a lot of smoke saying they wanted to expand their base and such they would only have it on console. Considering that Dust has largely been a flop financially they might have changed their tune. Its really amusing to go back to all the interviews with David Reed saying he expected New Eden to reach over 100k concurrent users by the end of 2013, and the tv marketing campaign thats also gone up in smoke that was suppose to happen this last holiday season.

Originally we got a lot of smoke saying they wanted to expand their base and such they would only have it on console. Considering that Dust has largely been a flop financially they might have changed their tune. Its really amusing to go back to all the interviews with David Reed saying he expected New Eden to reach over 100k concurrent users by the end of 2013, and the tv marketing campaign thats also gone up in smoke that was suppose to happen this last holiday season.

Apparently, you havent actually come up against this, or you'd not be questioning it.

I dont come up against it myself very often. but when I do, its just ludicrous. They're almost telporting from side to side.
It's completely unrealistic, in a game where movement is otherwise highly realistic.

And no, it is not possible with the controller.

Oh please let this be true.

I think it would be the best move. It should be clear by now that all the console FPS players would rather stick with COD and BF. CCP could actually run a test server along with having a much easier time developing on PC rather than the cell processor.

strafing speed is always the same. Be it DS3 or KB/M.

KB/M users don't bother with this debate its been going on since KB/M was introduced and fighting it is worse than arguing religion with a fundie, CCP won't fix the problem they have intentionally given KB/M anti aim assist properties and the only way to consistently compete these days is with 3rd party hardware, google PS3 Eagle eye and get back to enjoying being able to win a gun fight.

On a final note, its not the aim assist thats killing us its the bullet magnetism, i've tried hip firing at ppl without the eagle eye and half the bullets don't register, put the cross hairs in the exact same place with aim assist running and they get sucked in like theres a blackhole where their heart should be.

believe it or not, there IS a difference between "McFurious cant..." and "It's impossible".

strafing speed is always the same. Be it DS3 or KB/M.