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Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 194	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss I am the real Darken
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5548	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:16:00 - [2] - Quote I'd like to see them try to enforce the part about multiple accounts. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1928	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:16:00 - [3] - Quote I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6062	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:18:00 - [4] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. So am I.... I have nothing witty to add. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 194	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:18:00 - [5] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. or a moron. never sign something you have not read. I am the real Darken
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 290	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:19:00 - [6] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I'd like to see them try to enforce the part about multiple accounts. Famous last words. Personally I reccomend biomassing all of your less wanted salt accounts. CCP isn't going to know which account to ban and which not too. Also its easy, your ps3 has an IP too. Proto Stompers Information Tap (x°x) tap
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 863	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:20:00 - [7] - Quote no one reads the eula https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1929	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:20:00 - [8] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. or a moron. never sign something you have not read. It's a game that i chose to pay for. I think i'm safe. If it was more serious, of course i'd read it. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6344	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:21:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. So am I.... I have nothing witty to add. I ARE.... EMPEROR OF CATKIND! "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 45	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:21:00 - [10] - Quote devonus durga wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I'd like to see them try to enforce the part about multiple accounts. Famous last words. Personally I reccomend biomassing all of your less wanted salt accounts. CCP isn't going to know which account to ban and which not too. Also its easy, your ps3 has an IP too. So only one person can make a character per console? I have 3-4 different accounts on my PS3 because that is how many people play Dust on my PS3. Are they gonna get banned because there is more than one account?

Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 194	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:21:00 - [11] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: no one reads the eula i think they count on that. by by BPOs. jk I am the real Darken
Teilka Darkmist 147	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:21:00 - [12] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss Are you sure it didn't mean one account per downloed? Damn. I'm going to have to actually read the EULA now. I think this makes it plain. Section 2 EULA wrote: YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish only one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. However, an Account will be permitted to have multiple characters stored within the Account. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software by downloading such license from CCP. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
negative49er Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 488	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:23:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. So am I.... I have nothing witty to add. there no meow Dedicated Shotgun Scout
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 194	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:25:00 - [14] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss Are you sure it didn't mean one account per downloed? Damn. I'm going to have to actually read the EULA now. I think this makes it plain. Section 2 EULA wrote: YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish only one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. However, an Account will be permitted to have multiple characters stored within the Account. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software by downloading such license from CCP. Only fools make their alts on one PSN. I am the real Darken
Teilka Darkmist 147	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:26:00 - [15] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss Are you sure it didn't mean one account per downloed? Damn. I'm going to have to actually read the EULA now. I think this makes it plain. Section 2 EULA wrote: YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish only one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. However, an Account will be permitted to have multiple characters stored within the Account. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software by downloading such license from CCP. Only fools make their alts on one PSN. Then you have to re-license Dust for each account. No idea how the hell you'd do that though. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
TheLord HighMarshal Hellbrecht THE HECATONCHIRES 2	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:26:00 - [16] - Quote As long as it a F2p why would they get rid of alts.Could be interesting though.Then again CCP would have to show us and all the game magazines,shareholders,general public how many "actual" people are playing this game.Im thinking that number would be kinda small. whispers and I dont think they'll do that Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent, Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE* Amarr loyalis
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6064	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:27:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. So am I.... I have nothing witty to add. I ARE.... EMPEROR OF CATKIND! Absolutely not. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3109	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:28:00 - [18] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss They probably realized that you can make an alt - transfer the starting ISK to main - rinse repeat. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 194	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:29:00 - [19] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss Are you sure it didn't mean one account per downloed? Damn. I'm going to have to actually read the EULA now. I think this makes it plain. Section 2 EULA wrote: YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish only one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. However, an Account will be permitted to have multiple characters stored within the Account. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software by downloading such license from CCP. Only fools make their alts on one PSN. Then you have to re-license Dust for each account. No idea how the hell you'd do that though. Or sell them. Any one want a pre constructed murderlogi. 10 mil SP. cores are not maxed but getting close I am the real Darken
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4420	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:30:00 - [20] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss Are you sure it didn't mean one account per downloed? Damn. I'm going to have to actually read the EULA now. I think this makes it plain. Section 2 EULA wrote: YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish only one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. However, an Account will be permitted to have multiple characters stored within the Account. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software by downloading such license from CCP. If this game is free to play, wouldn't another license just be downloading the game again? Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D

devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 290	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:31:00 - [21] - Quote Hmmm... anyone else feel this is a bad sign? I mean its open to interpretation till it gets clarified, but reading the whole must license for each account thing... idk why need to license a game to each individual account for a free game, makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up, they gonna make us pay? Or is it a licensing issue with public gaming locations, like the old computer cafes. Not a huge problem in the us but maybe over seas? Proto Stompers Information Tap (x°x) tap
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 544	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:32:00 - [22] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss Are you sure it didn't mean one account per downloed? Damn. I'm going to have to actually read the EULA now. I think this makes it plain. Section 2 EULA wrote: YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish only one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. However, an Account will be permitted to have multiple characters stored within the Account. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software by downloading such license from CCP. That just sounds like generic copy-paste from EVE. We don't have licensees for Dust, but EVE accounts do. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 194	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:32:00 - [23] - Quote I take it everyone signed without reading. They could effectively ban alts. I am the real Darken
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4420	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:32:00 - [24] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Or sell them. Any one want a pre constructed murderlogi. 10 mil SP. cores are not maxed but getting close The only way to get someone to buy it is if it's specced into the fotm. Tank pilot for sale!! 50 million ISK! And plus, if they can do all this with Eve, why can't we do it? Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 194	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:34:00 - [25] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Or sell them. Any one want a pre constructed murderlogi. 10 mil SP. cores are not maxed but getting close The only way to get someone to buy it is if it's specced into the fotm. Tank pilot for sale!! 50 million ISK! And plus, if they can do all this with Eve, why can't we do it? Not if we get a respec. Much value then. I got a couple 6 mil. And three 3-4 mil. any takers? I am the real Darken
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 290	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:35:00 - [26] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Or sell them. Any one want a pre constructed murderlogi. 10 mil SP. cores are not maxed but getting close The only way to get someone to buy it is if it's specced into the fotm. Tank pilot for sale!! 50 million ISK! And plus, if they can do all this with Eve, why can't we do it? Because eve players pay real money for their accounts, means they have invested real money and time for whatever their account/toon has. We theoreticly only have to invest time. Proto Stompers Information Tap (x°x) tap
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12762	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:36:00 - [27] - Quote /me takes a quick refresher. Dust 514 EULA wrote: Section 3 Account Transfer / Character Transfer You are not permitted to transfer your Account to another person, nor are you permitted to transfer your character to another person. Any attempted character transfers are prohibited and void, and shall not be binding on CCP. A transfer or attempted transfer of a character is entirely at the risk of the parties to such transaction. CCP is not liable to any person (whether transferor, transferee or otherwise) for any acts, omissions, statements, representations, defaults or liabilities of the parties in connection with such a transaction. Unless the web version is slow. I did find the statement about business purposes a bit funny. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12762	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:37:00 - [28] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss Are you sure it didn't mean one account per downloed? Damn. I'm going to have to actually read the EULA now. I think this makes it plain. Section 2 EULA wrote: YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish only one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. However, an Account will be permitted to have multiple characters stored within the Account. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software by downloading such license from CCP. If this game is free to play, wouldn't another license just be downloading the game again? Maybe linking via single sign on service. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 194	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:38:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: /me takes a quick refresher. Dust 514 EULA wrote: Section 3 Account Transfer / Character Transfer You are not permitted to transfer your Account to another person, nor are you permitted to transfer your character to another person. Any attempted character transfers are prohibited and void, and shall not be binding on CCP. A transfer or attempted transfer of a character is entirely at the risk of the parties to such transaction. CCP is not liable to any person (whether transferor, transferee or otherwise) for any acts, omissions, statements, representations, defaults or liabilities of the parties in connection with such a transaction. Unless the web version is slow. I did find the statement about business purposes a bit funny. this is the disclaimer (washing of the hands). If someone screws you out of money dont cry to CCP? I am the real Darken
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 670	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:38:00 - [30] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. So am I.... I have nothing witty to add. Me neither... look at the signature. Shield of Cat Merc. (again)

Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 828	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:42:00 - [31] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: That just sounds like generic copy-paste from EVE. We don't have licensees for Dust, but EVE accounts do. All software has a license unless it is in the public domain. It's just that the license for DUST is free. devonus durga wrote: Hmmm... anyone else feel this is a bad sign? I mean its open to interpretation till it gets clarified, but reading the whole must license for each account thing... idk why need to license a game to each individual account for a free game, makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up, they gonna make us pay? Or is it a licensing issue with public gaming locations, like the old computer cafes. Not a huge problem in the us but maybe over seas? Don't read too much in to it. Software licenses have to specify the number of users/accounts/whatever they are licensing. CCP just went the safe route and picked one to prevent any sort of shenanigans. I'm only guessing of course but I don't think CCP is going to try and enforce this and is just done to dot the i's and cross the t's. Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
Paul Peacemaker Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 7	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:42:00 - [32] - Quote In this case I'd like some answers. There's no license for Dust, therefore how does this rule apply? Or perhaps it technically does have one, but then how could I get multiple licenses on the same console? My friends don't have ps3s so I am taking care of their accounts until they purchase the consoles. I log onto their chars every day for the SP bonus and I play on one of them from time to time. Will I get penalized for this? Should I stop? I need to know before I get a few accounts banned I find this rule a pile of crap. What if somebody's actually sharing a console with a partner,friend or a flatmate?
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4421	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:43:00 - [33] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Or sell them. Any one want a pre constructed murderlogi. 10 mil SP. cores are not maxed but getting close The only way to get someone to buy it is if it's specced into the fotm. Tank pilot for sale!! 50 million ISK! And plus, if they can do all this with Eve, why can't we do it? Because eve players pay real money for their accounts, means they have invested real money and time for whatever their account/toon has. We theoreticly only have to invest time. Time is money. /thread Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 79	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:43:00 - [34] - Quote So what creates the license? Is it on download or on install and sync? Sigh, did a lawyer right this or did someone translate something from 1997?
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 197	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:44:00 - [35] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: So what creates the license? Is it on download or on install and sync? Sigh, did a lawyer right this or did someone translate something from 1997? Perhaps it was that economist. I am the real Darken
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 197	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:46:00 - [36] - Quote Paul Peacemaker wrote: In this case I'd like some answers. There's no license for Dust, therefore how does this rule apply? Or perhaps it technically does have one, but then how could I get multiple licenses on the same console? My friends don't have ps3s so I am taking care of their accounts until they purchase the consoles. I log onto their chars every day for the SP bonus and I play on one of them from time to time. Will I get penalized for this? Should I stop? I need to know before I get a few accounts banned I find this rule a pile of crap. What if somebody's actually sharing a console with a partner,friend or a flatmate? Do you know what a EULA is? I am the real Darken
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2773	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:49:00 - [37] - Quote Perhaps they are preparing for the eventuality of character farms in the event that DUST becomes popular some day? You could build a pretty big operation with next to no personnel cost because you don't need active SP. Just "plant" a few thousand characters and let them grow with passive for a few years before harvesting them. It's just like a tree farm.
Teilka Darkmist 149	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:50:00 - [38] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: So what creates the license? Is it on download or on install and sync? Sigh, did a lawyer right this or did someone translate something from 1997? I thnk a lawyer is about the only type of person who could write a EULA, understand it, and make it both specific enough to cover CCP's ass and vague enough that it leaves them some wiggleroom. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 828	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:50:00 - [39] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: So what creates the license? Is it on download or on install and sync? Sigh, did a lawyer right this or did someone translate something from 1997? Here you go: EULA wrote: Upon establishing a valid Account, and subject to your continued compliance with the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to access the System, and to access and use the Game Content, User Content and EVE User Content (each as defined below), in order to play DUST 514. You may download and exchange Game Content, User Content and EVE User Content exclusively via a valid Account, solely to play the Game, for purposes permitted by, and in a manner consistent with, the EULA. Additionally and to the extent permitted by the System, you may make a single copy for your own purposes in playing the Game. It said one account per license, not one account per system. Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
Marc Rime 236	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:53:00 - [40] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss Hasn't that stuff always been there?

Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 199	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:55:00 - [41] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss Hasn't that stuff always been there? It was a bannable offense before. now they dont seem to want to police it. I am the real Darken
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 199	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:56:00 - [42] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Eko Sol wrote: So what creates the license? Is it on download or on install and sync? Sigh, did a lawyer right this or did someone translate something from 1997? Here you go: EULA wrote: Upon establishing a valid Account, and subject to your continued compliance with the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to access the System, and to access and use the Game Content, User Content and EVE User Content (each as defined below), in order to play DUST 514. You may download and exchange Game Content, User Content and EVE User Content exclusively via a valid Account, solely to play the Game, for purposes permitted by, and in a manner consistent with, the EULA. Additionally and to the extent permitted by the System, you may make a single copy for your own purposes in playing the Game. It said one account per license, not one account per system. It said one account per downloaded copy. I am the real Darken
Teilka Darkmist 149	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:56:00 - [43] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Eko Sol wrote: So what creates the license? Is it on download or on install and sync? Sigh, did a lawyer right this or did someone translate something from 1997? Here you go: EULA wrote: Upon establishing a valid Account, and subject to your continued compliance with the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to access the System, and to access and use the Game Content, User Content and EVE User Content (each as defined below), in order to play DUST 514. You may download and exchange Game Content, User Content and EVE User Content exclusively via a valid Account, solely to play the Game, for purposes permitted by, and in a manner consistent with, the EULA. Additionally and to the extent permitted by the System, you may make a single copy for your own purposes in playing the Game. It said one account per license, not one account per system. And you get a licence by creating an account if I'm reading it right. Isn't that kind of circular? When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Kharga Lum Arcana Imperii Ltd. Northern Army. 269	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:57:00 - [44] - Quote If they're allowing the sale of characters is there a method of doing this?
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 200	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:59:00 - [45] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: If they're allowing the sale of characters is there a method of doing this? yes it involves dark alleys I am the real Darken
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4425	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:01:00 - [46] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: If they're allowing the sale of characters is there a method of doing this? Make character. Give it qualities people want. Sell the entire PSN for ISK (I'm guessing the exchange of the email and password would be necessary too). Profit. Is there an easier way of doing this? Is what I just described only an over complicated process? Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 200	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:03:00 - [47] - Quote One tanker for sale: has recruit BPOs. 3mil sp. KD 3+ I am the real Darken
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 62	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:03:00 - [48] - Quote Unlike most of you drooling baboons, I've been locked up before. I know the law, I know my rights, and I know that I don't have to read a bunch of crap some douchebag lawyer wrote up for a video game contract.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 200	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:05:00 - [49] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Unlike most of you drooling baboons, I've been locked up before. I know the law, I know my rights, and I know that I don't have to read a bunch of crap some douchebag lawyer wrote up for a video game contract. What are your rights if i may ask? I am the real Darken
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 829	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:07:00 - [50] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: And you get a licence by creating an account if I'm reading it right. Isn't that kind of circular? When you create an account you get a license that allows one account to play the game. Makes perfect sense. Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3708	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:08:00 - [51] - Quote It states you can have multiple characters per account, so your alts are safe. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3708	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:14:00 - [52] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Unlike most of you drooling baboons, I've been locked up before. I know the law, I know my rights, and I know that I don't have to read a bunch of crap some douchebag lawyer wrote up for a video game contract. Correct, you don't have to read it. You just have to sign it. That way CCP can wash their hands of all the stated liabilities. Also you have to sign it to download the game. And if you played after the recent update, then you already signed it. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 138	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:18:00 - [53] - Quote Why does this sound like chicken little.I dont think CCP is gonna get rid of alts.If anyone is scared then the people that have not spent one wooden nickle on the game should be afraid other than that if you've spent anything on a account they wont delete it. Also this bs about selling accounts for real cash is stupid as hell.If a person did sit on thousands of accounts which is impossible because the PS3 only lets you have 6.SO that's dumb you'd have to buy 150 plus PS#'s and this game or its characters would not make back that investment. Hypothetically well say you have some old BPO"S on this alt. That this person is trying to sell. Who cares?You only have one that can passive sp gain the others just sit there doing nothing.So we'll say it has 20 million sp.Again who cares.There'll be new content by then . I dont worry about the EULA I got sucked into this BS last time when people started freaking out about BPO removal and the only thing I really got out of that is.Some people want to make money off something somebody else created.You see Im not on that **.It's those types of assholes that make these EULA"S necessary If a person's intent is to make a buck off someone's work then you should be scared.Because its criminal.Its called piracy and plagiarism. If you bought anything for this game I dont see CCP taking anything from you so stop with the fucken agnst. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 964	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:19:00 - [54] - Quote afaik that's been there all the time - unlikely that it would be enforced unless you use your accounts to abuse the system. so ccp would be covered if they at some point decide to ban your 1000 passive sp earning accounts. DUSTBoard DUSTSearch DUST Server Status

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1009	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:21:00 - [55] - Quote CCP wouldn't want to get rid of alts and potentially more Aurum sales to do with said account. Wouldn't be consistent with their history.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 138	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:22:00 - [56] - Quote Bethhy wrote: CCP wouldn't want to get rid of alts and potentially more Aurum sales to do with said account. Wouldn't be consistent with their history. Amen... Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Teilka Darkmist 151	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:53:00 - [57] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Unlike most of you drooling baboons, I've been locked up before. I know the law, I know my rights, and I know that I don't have to read a bunch of crap some douchebag lawyer wrote up for a video game contract. Well, it seems like at some point you didn't know the law too well or you wouldn't have been locked up now would you? Either that or you knew the law and still broke it then got caught. Now, I wonder which one of us is the more intelligent...... Altina McAlterson wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: And you get a licence by creating an account if I'm reading it right. Isn't that kind of circular? When you create an account you get a license that allows one account to play the game. Makes perfect sense. The circular part is you get a licence by making an account and you can only have one account per licence. I didn't say it didn't make sense, just that it was circular. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Paul Peacemaker Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 7	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:57:00 - [58] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Paul Peacemaker wrote: In this case I'd like some answers. There's no license for Dust, therefore how does this rule apply? Or perhaps it technically does have one, but then how could I get multiple licenses on the same console? My friends don't have ps3s so I am taking care of their accounts until they purchase the consoles. I log onto their chars every day for the SP bonus and I play on one of them from time to time. Will I get penalized for this? Should I stop? I need to know before I get a few accounts banned I find this rule a pile of crap. What if somebody's actually sharing a console with a partner,friend or a flatmate? Do you know what a EULA is? Thank you for a useful answer.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3028	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:58:00 - [59] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. or a moron. never sign something you have not read. Statutory rights baby. No.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 408	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:00:00 - [60] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss they always said no alts, they dont really care about alts, its just so people cant spam create a 1000 characters and take up all the good names or just make them to collect passive sp and sell a year later but otherwise they wont care Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.

Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 830	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:00:00 - [61] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: bamboo x wrote: Unlike most of you drooling baboons, I've been locked up before. I know the law, I know my rights, and I know that I don't have to read a bunch of crap some douchebag lawyer wrote up for a video game contract. Well, it seems like at some point you didn't know the law too well or you wouldn't have been locked up now would you? Either that or you knew the law and still broke it then got caught. Now, I wonder which one of us is the more intelligent...... Altina McAlterson wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: And you get a licence by creating an account if I'm reading it right. Isn't that kind of circular? When you create an account you get a license that allows one account to play the game. Makes perfect sense. The circular part is you get a licence by making an account and you can only have one account per licence. I didn't say it didn't make sense, just that it was circular. Yea, it is. But you have to get the license somehow and that's the best way. Otherwise you'd have to contact CCP everytime and screw that noise. Contracts and legal nonsense are inherently silly anyway. Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1906	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:28:00 - [62] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss They probably realized that you can make an alt - transfer the starting ISK to main - rinse repeat. Why would you do that?! 250,000 ISK can be earned so much easier. Additionally, Playstation's EULA only allows users up to six accounts. Sure you could biomass and rotate those six accounts every 10 hours, but I don't have the persistence to do that. Edit: Well, technically that's 4,500,000 ISK every 10 hours....so....have fun. Entropia Universe is this way. McDonell Miller Explains the Dust Challenge Lottery Protocol
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 203	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:30:00 - [63] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss They probably realized that you can make an alt - transfer the starting ISK to main - rinse repeat. Why would you do that?! 250,000 ISK can be earned so much easier. Additionally, Playstation's EULA only allows users up to six accounts. Sure you could biomass and rotate those six accounts every 10 hours, but I don't have the persistence to do that. I got 4 ps3s at home. I have 9 on my newest ps3. thats weird I am the real Darken
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1906	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:35:00 - [64] - Quote It appears I misread that. PSN Terms of Service wrote: There are two types of accounts: Master Accounts and Sub Accounts. All accounts have an associated mailbox for receiving electronic text mail. If you have reached the legal age of majority, you can create a Master Account for yourself. Where available, each Master Account can create up to six (6) associated Sub Accounts. You are not permitted to create Sub Accounts for adults or persons under the legal age of majority who are not your children or for whom you are not the legal guardian. Your children must be of a certain age in order to have a Sub Account. Sub Accounts may not be available in all countries. Deletion or termination of a Master Account may result in the deletion and termination of all associated Sub Accounts. A Master Account has access to and control over the following aspects of its Sub Accounts: (i) financial aspects; (ii) content availability and (iii) certain communication features. Text mail from SNEI that relates to a Sub Account's purchases will be sent to the mailbox of the associated Master Account. At its sole discretion, SNEI may send text mail to the Master Account relating to the Sub Account's other activities. The Master Account holder is jointly and severally legally and financially responsible for the actions of his or her Sub Account holders. Master Account holders select their own sign-in ID and password and select the sign-in ID and password for each associated Sub Account. SEN Account holders may be required to select their own Online ID for PSN. After signing in to your SEN Account through a compatible web browser, you may continue to be signed in for up to 60 days. You may also have access to select SEN related sites and select Third Party Services without having to sign in. This will only apply to the web browser that you used when you sign-in. All users should safeguard their sign-in ID and password to prevent use by any other user. If you sign-in to your SEN Account on a device that may be shared with others, you should ensure that you sign-out from your account at the end of each session. If you do not sign-out, others may be able to access your SEN Account and perform actions on your behalf without knowing your password. Certain information, which may include the Online ID, real name, profile photo, "About Me" statement, avatar pictures, country/area of residence, preferred language and recently played game titles, may be provided to all SEN First Party Service users, including children. SNEI has no liability for any unauthorized usage of any account. McDonell Miller Explains the Dust Challenge Lottery Protocol
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3828	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:36:00 - [65] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. Human cent-Ipad I am your scan error.
sabre prime The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 56	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:37:00 - [66] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: Then you have to re-license Dust for each account. No idea how the hell you'd do that though. Or sell them. Any one want a pre constructed murderlogi. 10 mil SP. cores are not maxed but getting close Damn, I had an idea about giving away free clones to the community or new players in the future. Damn, damn, damn. However, I should have set the plan in motion a long time ago. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2937	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:01:00 - [67] - Quote I read it and I'm pretty sure it said you were not allowed to do it and attempts to do so are at your risk. For instance if CCP discovered you sold a character to someone they would probably delete that character and not be liable to enforce or give any refunds for that character What has me curious the last time I read it and this time is that in order to play dust you must pay any fines due and initially I thought paying off aurum but the credit card companies do that anyways, CCP gets paid regardless if you are late on payments so I think it's their loophole for throwing in server fees. Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
sabre prime The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 57	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:04:00 - [68] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I read it and I'm pretty sure it said you were not allowed to do it and attempts to do so are at your risk. For instance if CCP discovered you sold a character to someone they would probably delete that character and not be liable to enforce or give any refunds for that character What has me curious the last time I read it and this time is that in order to play dust you must pay any fines due and initially I thought paying off aurum but the credit card companies do that anyways, CCP gets paid regardless if you are late on payments so I think it's their loophole for throwing in server fees. Personally, I'm not talking about 'selling' clones. I actually want to give away free mercenary clone soldiers. I saw it as part of the meta game. I was going to call my enterprise the 'New Eden Clone Services'. We even would have offered NECS day delivery. EDIT: NECS (TM). Phew... Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2938	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:11:00 - [69] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I read it and I'm pretty sure it said you were not allowed to do it and attempts to do so are at your risk. For instance if CCP discovered you sold a character to someone they would probably delete that character and not be liable to enforce or give any refunds for that character What has me curious the last time I read it and this time is that in order to play dust you must pay any fines due and initially I thought paying off aurum but the credit card companies do that anyways, CCP gets paid regardless if you are late on payments so I think it's their loophole for throwing in server fees. Personally, I'm not talking about 'selling' clones. I actually want to give away free mercenary clone soldiers. I saw it as part of the meta game. I was going to call my enterprise the 'New Eden Clone Services'. We even would have offered NECS day delivery. EDIT: NECS (TM). Phew... I was responding to OP not whatever tangent has been created in 4 pagess Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
Kane Fyea 2576	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:17:00 - [70] - Quote devonus durga wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I'd like to see them try to enforce the part about multiple accounts. Famous last words. Personally I reccomend biomassing all of your less wanted salt accounts. CCP isn't going to know which account to ban and which not too. Also its easy, your ps3 has an IP too. Which can be changed extremely easily. Seriously it take all of 5 minutes to change.

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1906	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:19:00 - [71] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I read it and I'm pretty sure it said you were not allowed to do it and attempts to do so are at your risk. For instance if CCP discovered you sold a character to someone they would probably delete that character and not be liable to enforce or give any refunds for that character What has me curious the last time I read it and this time is that in order to play dust you must pay any fines due and initially I thought paying off aurum but the credit card companies do that anyways, CCP gets paid regardless if you are late on payments so I think it's their loophole for throwing in server fees. Personally, I'm not talking about 'selling' clones. I actually want to give away free mercenary clone soldiers. I saw it as part of the meta game. I was going to call my enterprise the 'New Eden Clone Services'. We even would have offered NECS day delivery. EDIT: NECS (TM). Phew... If CCP created a marketplace function where you can exchange or purchase characters within the game economy I would certainly be on board with that. However, as it stands any transfer of accounts, regardless of monetary reimbursement, is against Sony's terms of service. Sony ToS wrote: You may not sell, buy, trade, or otherwise transfer your Online ID, SEN Account or any personal access to SEN through any means or method, including by use of web sites. McDonell Miller Explains the Dust Challenge Lottery Protocol
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1004	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:21:00 - [72] - Quote I stopped reading when soul rights were first mentioned. FEEDBACK: Analysis on 1.7 tank functionality
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 498	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:24:00 - [73] - Quote Okay, limit my accounts. If ever I decided to spend anther dime on this game they'd get that much less. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Lonegnr Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 59	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:30:00 - [74] - Quote So much QQ for such a silly topic. Unless CCP puts in a legitimate way to sell your character in a manner similar to Eve's character's bazaar, selling your account will ALWAYS put you at risk because the PSN EULA already prohibits you from selling the account.
Rusty Shallows 927	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:50:00 - [75] - Quote devonus durga wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I'd like to see them try to enforce the part about multiple accounts. Famous last words. Personally I reccomend biomassing all of your less wanted salt accounts. CCP isn't going to know which account to ban and which not too. Also its easy, your ps3 has an IP too. Unless the IP is assigned dynamically by your ISP. Also multiple PS3s at the same location will externally appear to have the same IP if using the same router home, hotel, apartment complex with wi-fi, etc connects them. I don't think there is a way for outside sources to review the router's assigned devices. Could be wrong about that except IP addresses were developed for helping move data packets and not as a means of personal identification. Or think of it another way. Your PS3 will always have a different IP when connecting through different networks. I'm in agreement with everyone else in this thread who say it is for legal protections. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 390	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:59:00 - [76] - Quote i have a brother playing on another account. How do u reliscense the game? I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist Orion Empire 25	Posted - 2014.01.30 01:08:00 - [77] - Quote But my brother needs his own passive booster cause i hog it on my account. CCP this is unfair. -Open Beta Vet-12.3 mil sp- Dust 514 recruitment link here
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 156	Posted - 2014.01.30 01:27:00 - [78] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: I take it everyone signed without reading. They could effectively ban alts. o no's, i will become a human centipad! but people make alts on multiple psn's because passive sp 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter militia frame, Templar set
Espartoi Zero-Day Attack Zero-Day 76	Posted - 2014.01.30 01:57:00 - [79] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: I didn't read it. I'm a rebel. So am I.... I have nothing witty to add. I ARE.... EMPEROR OF CATKIND! Absolutely not. I am the emperor of humans anyway, so you're still under my control. You don't look like the Emperor of Catkind, you are a blasphemer i will declare an exterminatus. Dying must be buffed.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2662	Posted - 2014.01.30 02:43:00 - [80] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: It looks like we can sell our characters now. From what I read CCP is washing their hands of any responsibilities associated with player transactions. Furthermore its states you can have only 1 charecter per downloaded copy of dust? How does that work for alts? or toons made online? discuss They probably realized that you can make an alt - transfer the starting ISK to main - rinse repeat. And probably only there to go after people bio massing characters for ISK. It's crazy to me that people would do this instead of just playing the game. That this is even a concern says all you need to hear about the need for increasing payouts in pubs. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 626	Posted - 2014.01.30 02:51:00 - [81] - Quote Didn't read it, but from this little conversation here I am not paranoid about deletion of alt accounts I'm excited for the EULA seeming to bring us closer to the reality of item trading and thus open market!!! Anyone have thoughts on how much a toxin smg, dragonfly scout, and Exile AR BPOs should go for? Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 196	Posted - 2014.01.30 03:13:00 - [82] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: no one reads the eula i think they count on that. by by BPOs. No...I think not. Pack bpos were bought through ps store and were advertised by sony as never running out. Sony would be all over ccp when people started filing complaints. jk


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