So you don't consider a 10,000 eHP increase as a buff?

Topping the leader-boards will guarantee a high ISK Payout. An even higher one considering all of the enemy HAVs that you destroy before deployment, and all of the expensive AV fittings you destroy.

TvT seems balanced until you meet a Particle Cannon.

And what happens when the enemy has no tanks?

Message from Godin:

1: I always had around 10k eHP, so no buff for me, actually a nerf for my best fit (down by 1k)

2: True, but that's their fault for being bad

3: Very true

4: Tgeir fault for no combined arms.

Kinda hard to "STFU and enjoy your game" when something in said game is broken.

You say everything is broken the tanks are far from broken and im srry if militia av doesn't work for you
But really its not hard to kill tanks with you just got to you know actually try and work as a team
Also if you buff Av we will basicly be back to 1.6 because i use a maddy and with or with out my hardner it hurts when hit by proto swarm if you buffed it up it would be Op so unless you only buffed militia swarms a little then i would say your asking for them to break av vs tanks again

And yes duel shield hardners and dmg needs to be looked at because that is gamebreaking

You say everything is broken the tanks are far from broken and im srry if militia av doesn't work for you
But really its not hard to kill tanks with you just got to you know actually try and work as a team
Also if you buff Av we will basicly be back to 1.6 because i use a maddy and with or with out my hardner it hurts when hit by proto swarm if you buffed it up it would be Op so unless you only buffed militia swarms a little then i would say your asking for them to break av vs tanks again

And yes duel shield hardners and dmg needs to be looked at because that is gamebreaking

When a tank costs almost the same as an adv fit dropsuit and can be RECALLED during the match when you feel like it, something is wrong

/thread

even without hardeners the militia tanks dont seem to care about swarms

my first time in a tank for a long time was last night when gimble called in a sica fitted with bpo mods, the enemy had 2 swarmers on me pretty much all match

I am probably the worst tanker you will ever see in the game, but those swarm launchers firing at me all match long did nothing to the tank, by the time they reloaded i was pretty much back to full hp

Sica

Swarms

Guess the link?

When a tank costs almost the same as an adv fit dropsuit and can be RECALLED during the match when you feel like it, something is wrong

/thread

When a dropsuit costs almost the same as a std fitted tank and can be swapped at a depot back in the spawn when you feel like it, something is wrong

You do realise that it requires a depot i assume. What specialist installation with vey few on the field does a tank require to recall and redeploy?

I agree tanks are a lot of fun right now. Any one asking for a price raise on militia tanks are just jerks who think games should be a second job.

I am a tanker who doesn't think that 80k mlt tanks are fine, I don't think rails, damage mods or extenders are working properly. I think blasters should have lower RoF but higher damage per shot to prevent them from being quite so devastating to infantry. I want infantry to perform a little better versus tanks.

I think mlt tanks are a crutch.

I agree with you about the Damage mods but I see that as an overall game issue as it works poorly for both infantry and vehicles and lowering the firerate and increasing the damage on blasters won't really change much I mean yes it shoots slower however each shot would do more damage so the overall dps wouldn't really change hell it would take less shots to kill infantry see the issue there it would have to be a big drop in rate of fire with only a small increase to damage and doing that would make a blaster tank unable to kill another tank

Now for railguns I don't really see an issue the biggest problem with it isn't the gun but the people so many use the militia tanks with damage mods and a militia railgun and this is actually the issue and as I said before damage mods are a overall game issue they have always made things unbalanced in some way and in this case which is pretty common even in the old builds makes the railgun seem op now I have a maddy with a proto railgun no damage mods and it takes AT LEAST 5 shots if not more to weaken or kill a gunnlogi or a maddy with hardners on and since militia tanks have same hp they can last pretty long too but thats if they got hardners so you see the issue is the damage mods well that and the idiots redlining but I tend to hunt them with my tank anyway and I'm sorry dropship pilots but it's an anti-vehicle weapon it's gonna hurt so I would advise you to stay alert if you want to live same thing to a shield tank

If a shield vehicle player was more alert and payed attention by looking at the overview map alot he wouldn't be caught off guard and would preform just as well as any armor vehicle player

I am a tanker who doesn't think that 80k mlt tanks are fine, I don't think rails, damage mods or extenders are working properly. I think blasters should have lower RoF but higher damage per shot to prevent them from being quite so devastating to infantry. I want infantry to perform a little better versus tanks.

I think mlt tanks are a crutch.

The idea behind lower RoF & slightly higher damage is that it takes away the current spray and pray vs infantry without hurting dps, double damage and cut fire rate in half and you need to be a lot more accurate with your shots.

He's very humble about it as well.

does anyone understand that av stands for anti vehicle? tanks arent supposed to withstand av. av is supposed to be overpowered against tanks. thats its role, tanks and dropships are op against infantry, and infantry are op against the guy who cant defend himself while using av weapons. they never should have been nerfed in 1.7

this is "mmo" afterall, learn your combat triangles. av > v > I > av

a milita swarm launcher should be able to solo any milita tank or dropship that appears.

Easy fix...

Ready? Wait for it?

Take out MLT HAV's entirely. LAV's and Dropships I can understand. They're made of paper and start burning really really quick. MLT HAV's are not/should not be an excuse to print ISK in Ambush/Domination/Skirmish with open maps. There's absolutely no reason I shouldn't be able to two-shot the damn things for what they cost. I enjoyed tanking when it actually took SP in tanks to make them worth half a crap on the field. Now, pretty much every tank I see on the field is a joke. And the -really- sad part?

I've seen scarier Somas and Sicas than Madrugars and Gunloggi's. Fact. It's completely -wrong- on so many levels, but it's a fact.

Take out MLT tanks or make them out of paper armor and shields (again). And for the love of whatever fluffy god everyone holds dear.... Give AV some love. Forge Guns are still scary, but a hair of extra damage wouldn't hurt with the current state of tanking. And Swarm Launchers... Make them worth a damn again. Every time I see swarms I'm checking the sky for dropships, right until I get dropped by the tank over a hill. It's really sad when it takes 3 guys with swarm launchers to even make a dent in armor tanks, only to have most of the damage repaired. And... Yes. I've seen unhardened tanks -sit- in an OB.

My two bits.

no thats an MMORPG theres a big difference between then and your whole statement is invald cause 1 I can solo a tank with av right now but thats not the point the fact is more than 1 person can use av no problem but they don't use it like they should throwing militia or stnd swarms at a tank isn't gonna harm him as much buffing AV will not only be stupid but make tanks like last build no longer around or do you like having redline tanks because with your statement thats what your asking for right now I can get my proto swarm with prof lvl 3 and 3 complex dmg mods and own a tank by myself like nothing and you want to buff it when it's something anyone and almost everyone has normally its 2-3 people hititng a tank with militia or std swarms so what if it was 2-3 with avd or proto swarms the tank wouldn't stand a chance so buffing the av isn't needed if your not willing to actually try and spead some isk to kill a tank you won't get teh results you want

thats because no one actually trys with av they just take out a starter or militia fit if they were actually fitted with AV they could 3 shot any and every militia vehicle out there pretty good but most think that militia and std swarms should be enough and I disagree if you want to take out a tank then skill into av and actually try stop militia and std won't cut it spend some isk and sp get proto swarms with 3 complex damage mods and I can tell you that 1-2 of you with that setup will destroy anything you see on the field with little trouble or at least scare the hell out of him

My previous post coming from someone with Proto Forge/l5 Proficiency/Ammo. I hunt tanks in MLT tanks because they're both annoying and broken. I used to be proud of destroying tanks because that was a solid investment of both time, SP, and ISK. Now my thought is, "Oh... I slightly inconvenienced him by destroying his tank." I suicide myself against said tanks using STOCK MLT, and win.

how is an mmorpg different from this? balance is balance. fundamentals need to be balanced. the starter av suit should be able to kill starter tanks. its common sense. you shouldnt need a chainsaw to cut through butter.