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Billi Gene
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Posted - 2014.01.28 17:40:00 -
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Didnt read all posts- apologies
FACT: OP has no idea what he is talking about, apologies for my bluntness.
AFK'ing may sometimes be an isk farm, usually it is an SP farm.
The current match rewards system sans FW matches, has been adjusted and tweaked. It is getting as close as it will be to perfect as regards the current game and the ability of humans to skirt or bypass rules and systems. IMO
if you really want to fix afking, without breaking the game, we'd probably need to make DUST a sub game:P to pay the salaries of the GM's needed to go thru the Logs, that would need a Log System based around individual merc actions(or lack of).. and ultimately a report afk option somewhere in the UI.
IMO, not going to work when the IP is F2P.
Pedant, Ape, Troll.
My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.28 17:48:00 -
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I think the real way to fix this is make it so that anyone who stays longer than a certain time in MCC's either gets kicked with no SP, WP, LP or isk, or you get safe friendly fire activated on them so you can kill them back to the map screen and you get 50 or 60 WP as usual for a kill, or maybe a little something as a bonus for dealing with a camper.
Oh, and I don't know if you do get rewards whilst in the map screen, but if you do that should be scrapped and a time limit put on how long anyone can stay there before they get kicked so someone else can take their spot.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2014.01.28 17:54:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Hey guys just have a suggestion
Wy don't have no payouts if you loose a battle
Or the payout when loosing is reduced.
This will fix afk farming that many does and it will also be a isk sink that this game needs
Again this is a suggestion god or bad idk I just want your ides over this.
Regards
Hey pirate long time bro.... this idea is probably one you should have keot to yourself bud .....
For me its a bad idea because it would punish the newest players more so than folks who have veen playing for a while and have excess isk. Also I feel its bad because you are a merc and mercs get payed to at least turn up.
It also wont fix afking as most folks afk for sp not isk. Just my .02 isk bro.
Its gone from suck .....to blow
level 1 forum warrior
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.01.28 19:40:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Hey guys just have a suggestion
Wy don't have no payouts if you loose a battle
Or the payout when loosing is reduced.
This will fix afk farming that many does and it will also be a isk sink that this game needs
Again this is a suggestion god or bad idk I just want your ides over this.
Regards
Hey pirate long time bro.... this idea is probably one you should have keot to yourself bud ..... For me its a bad idea because it would punish the newest players more so than folks who have veen playing for a while and have excess isk. Also I feel its bad because you are a merc and mercs get payed to at least turn up. It also wont fix afking as most folks afk for sp not isk. Just my .02 isk bro.
Yea, I try every match to win, running an advanced logi set, and normally the loss risk doesn't cover the cost of the suits. With recent protostomping, I'm barely holding steady with 500k... |
Jake Bloodworth
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.28 19:56:00 -
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Teilka Darkmist wrote:Jake Bloodworth wrote:StoneSmasher Drugga wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Hey guys just have a suggestion
Wy don't have no payouts if you loose a battle
Or the payout when loosing is reduced.
This will fix afk farming that many does and it will also be a isk sink that this game needs
Again this is a suggestion god or bad idk I just want your ides over this.
Regards
I, too, have a suggestion: learn how to spell. Having been on voice comms with the OP, I laughed when I read this. English is not his first language by far. That being said, I've never had an issue understanding him. I can't say that for many Dust players... As for the suggestion, I think you should be compensated for losing. However, make it like Eve. Lose your ship? You get a free rookie ship. Lose a match in Dust... The merc should be compensated with enough money to purchase a frontline level suit for each death.  I'm sorry to have to point this out, but when you lose your ship in eve, you don't get a free rookie ship. You get a payment, in isk, of a percentage of the average market value of the ship you lost, although just the hull, not the modules. You get a rookie ship anytime you dock up in just your pod, when you don't have a ship in the station. The rookieship is pretty much useless for anything other than the tutorial missions and very slowly mining very small amounts of asteroids.
You are correct. My character is on an indefinite vacation from Eve and I forgot about insurance. However, you have unwittingly provided an even better idea. Frontline suits are, practically speaking, BPO fittings. You cannot lose them, and therefore they function as the "rookie ship".
CCP should introduce Insurance into Dust 514. You should be allowed to "insure" you battles. All battles are, after all, a business transaction between corporations and mercs. Battles should provide zero payout for a loss, but players should be able to recoup their losses through insurance. You could tier the insurance so that it provides 100% refund for standard gear. Advanced would have a lower payout, and Proto would have the lowest as it is costly to insure prototype weaponry.
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Sneaky Fletcher
Three-body Solution
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Posted - 2014.01.28 20:01:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Again this is a suggestion god or bad idk I just want your ides over this.
Obvious troll thread has now grown too much... for me to even care |
Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.28 20:11:00 -
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Jake Bloodworth wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:Jake Bloodworth wrote:Having been on voice comms with the OP, I laughed when I read this. English is not his first language by far. That being said, I've never had an issue understanding him. I can't say that for many Dust players... As for the suggestion, I think you should be compensated for losing. However, make it like Eve. Lose your ship? You get a free rookie ship. Lose a match in Dust... The merc should be compensated with enough money to purchase a frontline level suit for each death. I'm sorry to have to point this out, but when you lose your ship in eve, you don't get a free rookie ship. You get a payment, in isk, of a percentage of the average market value of the ship you lost, although just the hull, not the modules. You get a rookie ship anytime you dock up in just your pod, when you don't have a ship in the station. The rookieship is pretty much useless for anything other than the tutorial missions and very slowly mining very small amounts of asteroids. You are correct. My character is on an indefinite vacation from Eve and I forgot about insurance. However, you have unwittingly provided an even better idea. Frontline suits are, practically speaking, BPO fittings. You cannot lose them, and therefore they function as the "rookie ship". CCP should introduce Insurance into Dust 514. You should be allowed to "insure" you battles. All battles are, after all, a business transaction between corporations and mercs. Battles should provide zero payout for a loss, but players should be able to recoup their losses through insurance. You could tier the insurance so that it provides 100% refund for standard gear. Advanced would have a lower payout, and Proto would have the lowest as it is costly to insure prototype weaponry.
There should be some payout for the battle regardless. A flat rate that you get win or lose. You're a merc and you've been hired so you should get paid. You should then get bonuses related to WP with, as someone suggested earlier, a multiplier (Doesn't have to be big, maybe +10% or +20%) if you're on the winning side.
I don't think insurance is a realistic idea in Dust. It's highly unlikely that a company would insure people going into battle especially considering how many times they could potentially die. It just wouldn't be profitable.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.28 20:20:00 -
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I skipped the 4 pages and now i tell you why there should be a ISK payout even if you loose in pub matches.
If there would be no payout for loosing a match (like ambush 80 clones) and you see that you are like 20-30 clones behind the enemy team why would you want to stay in that match? The ISK payout for the loosing team makes it attractive to stay in the match. Otherwise we would end up like in COD where most of the opposition just rage quitted halfway trough the match.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
264
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Posted - 2014.01.29 01:24:00 -
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The Infected One wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:The Infected One wrote:So squads can just proto stomp the newer low SP/ISK players into the ground in every match until they all run out of money and have to run nothing but starter fits and have even less chance of ever winning and actually making money?
GTFO.
How to kill DUST in a month: Remove ISK payouts for the losing team.
There's already a large enough gap between "Vets" and newer players since matchmaking is broken as ****, and you actually want further segregation so that you can pub stomp with impunity and have a circle jerk with your buddies and tell each other how awesome you are for going 30+/1 in proto gear against a bunch of starter fits?
******* hell man, are you THAT unskilled of a player that you need yet ANOTHER advantage over the new players?
Do us all a favor before you post again and try to think from the perspective of a new player to this game. Would you stick around if you never got paid because your team never won due to a bunch of proto using players? **** no you wouldn't, and I wouldn't blame you.
Its a big enough challenge as it is for new players to get into this game and learn the mechanics/skill system, what weapon suits them when everything costs ISK per death, and on average 50000-200000 ISK for the skill books to even try out a weapon, module, or equipment without spending real money on AUR.
Do you think a new player will even think of spending real money on a game that they have no chance of advancing in because the older players with all the money and SP can just pull out top tier equipment and mop the floors with them, causing them to lose more ISK, and gain nothing for their effort in an inevitable losing battle?
I agree that there has to be some incentive to actually try and win each fight, but removing the ISK payout for the losing team is not the answer.
One could go the rout of removing proto suits and weapons from pub matches (Let people run proto modules and equipment if they want, they will have to sacrifice something due to the lower PG and CPU of the basic and adv suits), because its the ability of the proto suits to stack everything proto and adv that makes such a huge gap between player skill vs player gear. Take that as a nay Man this is not a personal insult to you or who ever. However if I am unskilled or what my current walet is was not the topic that was intended. If I in any way have insulted you on a personal level I apologise for that but you sir will not in your high horse manner get me to be quite just because you don't agree with this or anything else. I liked your arguments in that post however leave the personal insults the high attitude and calm down. Regards I apologize for the personal attack, it was out of line since you clearly weren't bragging about proto stomping the new guys. That point though (without the personal stuff) still stands, as this is what will result from removing the isk payout for losing battles. Edit: spelling Frustrated browsing of these forums late at night can cause me to be arrogant and rude when there is no need for it. (It was 3 am)
It's okey bro no harm done =ƒÿë
War never changes
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