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Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 118	Posted - 2014.01.28 08:24:00 - [31] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I am a HUGE advocate of scanners and situational awareness mechanics. It's not so much because it lights everyone up, but rather because it is a new resource on the battlefield with provisions to engage in it and to mitigate it. The whole idea that the existing mechanics of damage and damage mitigation via armor and shield will now be augmented by mechanics of intel and intel mitigation is awesome. Many here want DUST to be just about meat heads pew pewing at each other and would love everyone to be running around utilising damage mechanics but part of the allure of DUST (for me) was that you be be an agent on the battlefield that isn't engaged in pew pew which is why I have been a logibro since the start. It forces more tactical considerations as you choose which threat you want to neutralise in your fitting. Do you go fully tank so that you can take the heat in direct confrontations or do you sacrifice some of your HP to combat enemy intel so that you can work outside of their awareness. Fortunately, scanning isn't going anywhere so those who don't dig it are just going to have to live with it. I will be keeping my proto gallogi for this purpose :D And will be speccing into gal scout so that I can avoid being part of the enemy's minimap all together. Long live scanning mechanics! No.... just no... there needs to be a petition to get rid of it completely.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 29	Posted - 2014.01.28 08:28:00 - [32] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I am a HUGE advocate of scanners and situational awareness mechanics. It's not so much because it lights everyone up, but rather because it is a new resource on the battlefield with provisions to engage in it and to mitigate it. The whole idea that the existing mechanics of damage and damage mitigation via armor and shield will now be augmented by mechanics of intel and intel mitigation is awesome. Many here want DUST to be just about meat heads pew pewing at each other and would love everyone to be running around utilising damage mechanics but part of the allure of DUST (for me) was that you be be an agent on the battlefield that isn't engaged in pew pew which is why I have been a logibro since the start. It forces more tactical considerations as you choose which threat you want to neutralise in your fitting. Do you go fully tank so that you can take the heat in direct confrontations or do you sacrifice some of your HP to combat enemy intel so that you can work outside of their awareness. Fortunately, scanning isn't going anywhere so those who don't dig it are just going to have to live with it. I will be keeping my proto gallogi for this purpose :D And will be speccing into gal scout so that I can avoid being part of the enemy's minimap all together. Long live scanning mechanics! No.... just no... there needs to be a petition to get rid of it completely. Good luck with that. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 239	Posted - 2014.01.28 08:30:00 - [33] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: really..?.. maybe I'm just getting to old for these kinda games...how can you be having fun by knowing exactly where the enemy are ? where is the element of surprise ? don't you like that feeling anymore ? being scanned sucks but using a scanner somehow made me feel like I sucked for using it.. didn't even finish the match...logged out, just felt bad...to easy...I blame the younger "I want it now" people... sad thing is if CCP were to remove it the game would be 1000% better and "you people" would lose your effing minds... guess it's my fault for coming down from the hills anyway...I'm going back to sniping...was going to bust out an Alt this week but eff that too... that's all I guess...rant over.... double spaced for her pleasure.... so you a redline sniper feel that you are better than the rest of us. what a shocker eh.... you just stay in the hills padding your kd/r .
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 29	Posted - 2014.01.28 08:32:00 - [34] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: Cpl Foster USMC wrote: really..?.. maybe I'm just getting to old for these kinda games...how can you be having fun by knowing exactly where the enemy are ? where is the element of surprise ? don't you like that feeling anymore ? being scanned sucks but using a scanner somehow made me feel like I sucked for using it.. didn't even finish the match...logged out, just felt bad...to easy...I blame the younger "I want it now" people... sad thing is if CCP were to remove it the game would be 1000% better and "you people" would lose your effing minds... guess it's my fault for coming down from the hills anyway...I'm going back to sniping...was going to bust out an Alt this week but eff that too... that's all I guess...rant over.... double spaced for her pleasure.... so you a redline sniper feel that you are better than the rest of us. what a shocker eh.... you just stay in the hills padding your kd/r . Ahhh redline snipers...the carebears of DUST 514. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1091	Posted - 2014.01.28 08:46:00 - [35] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: nobody uses above an adv scanner these days I always see Scan Attempt Prevented PC begs to differ
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 300	Posted - 2014.01.28 09:10:00 - [36] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: really..?.. maybe I'm just getting to old for these kinda games...how can you be having fun by knowing exactly where the enemy are ? where is the element of surprise ? don't you like that feeling anymore ? being scanned sucks but using a scanner somehow made me feel like I sucked for using it.. didn't even finish the match...logged out, just felt bad...to easy...I blame the younger "I want it now" people... sad thing is if CCP were to remove it the game would be 1000% better and "you people" would lose your effing minds... guess it's my fault for coming down from the hills anyway...I'm going back to sniping...was going to bust out an Alt this week but eff that too... that's all I guess...rant over.... double spaced for her pleasure.... It went from; being able to see everyone on the field with shared vision, to seeing no one unless they were right in front of you, to scanners being viable. If you don't want to be seen run dampeners. It's easy to get below basic and advanced scanners and not many people pull out the proto ones in pubs. It's not an easy mode tactic. If people were smart they'd run dampeners and flank the enemy team while they're focused on the scanned people. I do it all the time, and it works like a charm.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1146	Posted - 2014.01.28 09:11:00 - [37] - Quote why would profile damps exist if the scanner was removed?
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 118	Posted - 2014.01.28 09:24:00 - [38] - Quote low genius wrote: why would profile damps exist if the scanner was removed? precision enhancement/ range amplification...
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 118	Posted - 2014.01.28 09:33:00 - [39] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Cpl Foster USMC wrote: really..?.. maybe I'm just getting to old for these kinda games...how can you be having fun by knowing exactly where the enemy are ? where is the element of surprise ? don't you like that feeling anymore ? being scanned sucks but using a scanner somehow made me feel like I sucked for using it.. didn't even finish the match...logged out, just felt bad...to easy...I blame the younger "I want it now" people... sad thing is if CCP were to remove it the game would be 1000% better and "you people" would lose your effing minds... guess it's my fault for coming down from the hills anyway...I'm going back to sniping...was going to bust out an Alt this week but eff that too... that's all I guess...rant over.... double spaced for her pleasure.... It went from; being able to see everyone on the field with shared vision, to seeing no one unless they were right in front of you, to scanners being viable. If you don't want to be seen run dampeners. It's easy to get below basic and advanced scanners and not many people pull out the proto ones in pubs. It's not an easy mode tactic. If people were smart they'd run dampeners and flank the enemy team while they're focused on the scanned people. I do it all the time, and it works like a charm. Why should I have to give up my slots because people want to run easy mode and give up no slots?
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 118	Posted - 2014.01.28 09:37:00 - [40] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I am a HUGE advocate of scanners and situational awareness mechanics. It's not so much because it lights everyone up, but rather because it is a new resource on the battlefield with provisions to engage in it and to mitigate it. The whole idea that the existing mechanics of damage and damage mitigation via armor and shield will now be augmented by mechanics of intel and intel mitigation is awesome. Many here want DUST to be just about meat heads pew pewing at each other and would love everyone to be running around utilising damage mechanics but part of the allure of DUST (for me) was that you be be an agent on the battlefield that isn't engaged in pew pew which is why I have been a logibro since the start. It forces more tactical considerations as you choose which threat you want to neutralise in your fitting. Do you go fully tank so that you can take the heat in direct confrontations or do you sacrifice some of your HP to combat enemy intel so that you can work outside of their awareness. Fortunately, scanning isn't going anywhere so those who don't dig it are just going to have to live with it. I will be keeping my proto gallogi for this purpose :D And will be speccing into gal scout so that I can avoid being part of the enemy's minimap all together. Long live scanning mechanics! No.... just no... there needs to be a petition to get rid of it completely. Good luck with that. Don't need luck for the likes of you :)

Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 121	Posted - 2014.01.28 10:51:00 - [41] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: They need tweaking imho.. mostly the amount of time your target stays "marked". But one of my favorite games, Battlefield 3, had a spot feature where you can mark enemies and vehicles for a short period of time. And MAVs and Tug's that could be deployed to reveal enemy units. And BF4 has the commander mode where I think you can call in a scan.. and COD has something similar. So... umm.. yeah what are you talking about this feature isn't unique to dust. silly heres the thing though, you mark the enemies that your crosshairs are pointing at, not lighting up the entire team. maws and tugs has limited uses and can be destroyed. the issue is that people go around doing the 360 crackmonkey trick out if paranoia and u can reveal everything around you for a good amount of time with unlimited uses. if it had ammo like a battery or something that cannot be refilled with nanohives, that can help and it will only light up the direction you are facing Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 121	Posted - 2014.01.28 11:05:00 - [42] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Cpl Foster USMC wrote: really..?.. maybe I'm just getting to old for these kinda games...how can you be having fun by knowing exactly where the enemy are ? where is the element of surprise ? don't you like that feeling anymore ? being scanned sucks but using a scanner somehow made me feel like I sucked for using it.. didn't even finish the match...logged out, just felt bad...to easy...I blame the younger "I want it now" people... sad thing is if CCP were to remove it the game would be 1000% better and "you people" would lose your effing minds... guess it's my fault for coming down from the hills anyway...I'm going back to sniping...was going to bust out an Alt this week but eff that too... that's all I guess...rant over.... double spaced for her pleasure.... It went from; being able to see everyone on the field with shared vision, to seeing no one unless they were right in front of you, to scanners being viable. If you don't want to be seen run dampeners. It's easy to get below basic and advanced scanners and not many people pull out the proto ones in pubs. It's not an easy mode tactic. If people were smart they'd run dampeners and flank the enemy team while they're focused on the scanned people. I do it all the time, and it works like a charm. until u come across a 360 scanner user, try flanking then. it suks that i hv to put so much sp and sacrifice important modules just to stay hidden Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 136	Posted - 2014.01.28 11:56:00 - [43] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: m twiggz wrote: Cpl Foster USMC wrote: really..?.. maybe I'm just getting to old for these kinda games...how can you be having fun by knowing exactly where the enemy are ? where is the element of surprise ? don't you like that feeling anymore ? being scanned sucks but using a scanner somehow made me feel like I sucked for using it.. didn't even finish the match...logged out, just felt bad...to easy...I blame the younger "I want it now" people... sad thing is if CCP were to remove it the game would be 1000% better and "you people" would lose your effing minds... guess it's my fault for coming down from the hills anyway...I'm going back to sniping...was going to bust out an Alt this week but eff that too... that's all I guess...rant over.... double spaced for her pleasure.... It went from; being able to see everyone on the field with shared vision, to seeing no one unless they were right in front of you, to scanners being viable. If you don't want to be seen run dampeners. It's easy to get below basic and advanced scanners and not many people pull out the proto ones in pubs. It's not an easy mode tactic. If people were smart they'd run dampeners and flank the enemy team while they're focused on the scanned people. I do it all the time, and it works like a charm. until u come across a 360 scanner user, try flanking then. it suks that i hv to put so much sp and sacrifice important modules just to stay hidden If ur damped it doesn't matter if they do 284649 degree spin, and im pretty sure its less sp to spec into a weapon than it is shields/armor. Less QQ more PewPew
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 976	Posted - 2014.01.28 12:04:00 - [44] - Quote Amen Cpl. We get to see where they are looking at too. Like someone said, the scanner should be a brief snapshot to let you know where the enemy is.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 560	Posted - 2014.01.28 12:54:00 - [45] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: 1 complex dampener. Dodge 90% of scans. Thank you Nick for being the only other person, other than myself, to say this. I've been saying it but people are too damn ignorant to pay attention. This is all you need. No one in their right mind uses a flux scanner (the really precise one) so 1 complex dampener is all you need! Newb
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1493	Posted - 2014.01.28 13:43:00 - [46] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: 1 complex dampener. Dodge 90% of scans. Thank you Nick for being the only other person, other than myself, to say this. I've been saying it but people are too damn ignorant to pay attention. This is all you need. No one in their right mind uses a flux scanner (the really precise one) so 1 complex dampener is all you need! I'm thinking a lot of peeps are just bent out of shape at the thought of having to fit their suit in a way that conforms to the actual battlefield thay are fighting on, as opposed to the battlefield they would prefer to be fighting on. One wonders how many peeps complaining about fitting dampers have trained profile damping to lvl 5. I see lots of 'scan rejected' messages even when running undamped medium suits. I support SP rollover.
Frank Olson Usul DUST University Ivy League 60	Posted - 2014.01.28 14:04:00 - [47] - Quote This is the only way scouts have a real chance to kill people and not die all the time. It is a strong strategic element which forces you to sacrifice your equipment slot. The new changes (no more turning around while scanning, so no more 360 degree scans) will make scans weaker to a level where even you should accept that they aren't imbalanced.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1699	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:57:00 - [48] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I am a HUGE advocate of scanners and situational awareness mechanics. It's not so much because it lights everyone up, but rather because it is a new resource on the battlefield with provisions to engage in it and to mitigate it. The whole idea that the existing mechanics of damage and damage mitigation via armor and shield will now be augmented by mechanics of intel and intel mitigation is awesome. Many here want DUST to be just about meat heads pew pewing at each other and would love everyone to be running around utilising damage mechanics but part of the allure of DUST (for me) was that you be be an agent on the battlefield that isn't engaged in pew pew which is why I have been a logibro since the start. It forces more tactical considerations as you choose which threat you want to neutralise in your fitting. Do you go fully tank so that you can take the heat in direct confrontations or do you sacrifice some of your HP to combat enemy intel so that you can work outside of their awareness. Fortunately, scanning isn't going anywhere so those who don't dig it are just going to have to live with it. I will be keeping my proto gallogi for this purpose :D And will be speccing into gal scout so that I can avoid being part of the enemy's minimap all together. Long live scanning mechanics! Ill be honest Covert, some of your statements I agree with whole heartedly. The best fights can be won without firing a gun. Anything that allows you to make it harder to be killed, or easier to kill your enemies is good in my books. But I just feel the current iteration of scanners is too powerful. The idea that you can have a target at 100m lit up for nearly 30secs is borderline Maniacal. The scanner 1) Needs a drawback - Having to take it out and spin 360-¦ for a half second is not drawback, make it so it always has to be out, like the repair tool, you have to take it out and keep it out to get it's positives. You can lonewolf it with a scanner anymore. 2) To have effectiveness reduced - As it stands, you scan someone and they remain perfectly lit up, you see every little movement, you can even see what direction they are facing on your radar minmap. Either convert the data to minimap only, or change the data such that it is given in snapshots. Give us perishable intel, not this. 3) Turned into a teambased equipment - Like the repair tool it should not allow the user to scan and participate in combat simultaneously. Doing this means teams (The whole thing dust is built around) will still utilise it, but I stead of being spammed, they will only use when they can afford to loose the firepower. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Waiyu Ren Immortal Guides 24	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:16:00 - [49] - Quote All this discussion is based around how scanners are now. It is changing, with all scanners being nerfed. Some like scanners and say "run dampners noob", others say "scanners are OP, nerf plz". CCP says "let's shoot right down the middle: No 360 spinning, but leave dampners alone". It's going to take a dedicated Scanlogi (3 scanners, used consecutively in 3 different directions) to do what we can do now, and scouts/flankers running dampners can still hide. I call that balanced, at least until i see it in action.... It might end up that Dampners become the new FOTM. Shouting doesn't make your opinion seem more valid, it just makes you seem more annoying.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 564	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:17:00 - [50] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Cenex Langly wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: 1 complex dampener. Dodge 90% of scans. Thank you Nick for being the only other person, other than myself, to say this. I've been saying it but people are too damn ignorant to pay attention. This is all you need. No one in their right mind uses a flux scanner (the really precise one) so 1 complex dampener is all you need! I'm thinking a lot of peeps are just bent out of shape at the thought of having to fit their suit in a way that conforms to the actual battlefield thay are fighting on, as opposed to the battlefield they would prefer to be fighting on. One wonders how many peeps complaining about fitting dampers have trained profile damping to lvl 5. I see lots of 'scan rejected' messages even when running undamped medium suits. Exactly. At level 5 you don't even need to fit a dampener on a scout suit (most of the time) when the enemy isn't using proto scanners. But if they are using proto scanners then one dampener is all you need, boom, you're invisible again. So simple yet people can't handle it! Newb

Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 764	Posted - 2014.01.29 20:01:00 - [51] - Quote Scanners will be getting overnerfed in 1.8, but I don't think dampening will ever be FOTM. Dampening is the direct counter to scanners, but less effective scanners don't mean that dampening will become -too- effective. This is because for dampeners to be useful, scanners must be OP and overused (otherwise there is no point in wearing them). It's like the tree in the woods metaphor - if a merc is dampened, but never gets scanned, does his dampening matter?
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 89	Posted - 2014.01.29 20:32:00 - [52] - Quote Scanners aren't a problem for me. Just let's me know someones coming to say hi, so I can counterscan.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 216	Posted - 2014.01.29 20:53:00 - [53] - Quote Remove Scanners completely and remove aim assist completely, then we can talk.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 127	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:38:00 - [54] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Remove Scanners completely and remove aim assist completely, then we can talk. Finally someone agrees
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 465	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:04:00 - [55] - Quote scanners are what scouts use to give non scouts a false sense of security. just you wait. our time is at hand! Thr33 is the magic number.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 62	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:08:00 - [56] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: really..?.. maybe I'm just getting to old for these kinda games...how can you be having fun by knowing exactly where the enemy are ? where is the element of surprise ? don't you like that feeling anymore ? being scanned sucks but using a scanner somehow made me feel like I sucked for using it.. didn't even finish the match...logged out, just felt bad...to easy...I blame the younger "I want it now" people... sad thing is if CCP were to remove it the game would be 1000% better and "you people" would lose your effing minds... guess it's my fault for coming down from the hills anyway...I'm going back to sniping...was going to bust out an Alt this week but eff that too... that's all I guess...rant over.... double spaced for her pleasure.... Scan profile, scan precision, and scan range are all a part of the Dust gameplay. In case you didn't realize, your scanner has to be a good scanner to pick up scouts. We are playing a game with futuristic technological warfare. It makes sense to me that heavies are the easiest to scan, medium suits are moderate, and scouts are hard to scan.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 81	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:15:00 - [57] - Quote to the OP and everybody whining about the scanner: You all must be brand new here. A couple of patches back everybody showed up radar, because the tacnet was shared amongst the entire team and scanners were meaning less. Nobody then said "ARRR information overload its soooo OP" 1.6 i believe it was they removed the tacnet leaving everybody pretty much blind so i specced into the scanner. There where no WP for scanning, but i'd rather know that the entire enemy team is around a corner than a "surprise". This was when i specced into the gallente scout to go along with the scanner. Then WP were allowed for scan asissts and tons of people use them now. The only people who i notice complain about it are the ones who are too SP cheap to drop 12K sp for just a basic scanner and run around blind, combined with players who think not knowing anything about whats around you somehow makes them hardcore. The You Have Been Scanned message is literally scaring players. A maximum of 6 player only know that theres a red dot somewhere, they're not specifically looking for you. then spend that 12 K on a frigging scanner and scan them right back. TL;DR Majority of Dust's history everybody was visible all the time. Now you just have to scan to see them. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Waiyu Ren Immortal Guides 27	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:55:00 - [58] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Scanners will be getting overnerfed in 1.8, but I don't think dampening will ever be FOTM. Dampening is the direct counter to scanners, but less effective scanners don't mean that dampening will become -too- effective. This is because for dampeners to be useful, scanners must be OP and overused (otherwise there is no point in wearing them). It's like the tree in the woods metaphor - if a merc is dampened, but never gets scanned, does his dampening matter? I wasn't serious about that, I was just being cheeky. Currently i run a single basic Dampner on my flanker assault fit. It drops me down to a scout profile more or less, and deflects about one in every four scans. The nerf on Scanners isn't going to be that huge in my opinion, it will just require a more tactical approach to use effectively. For instance checking if the building you want to enter is clear, or checking for flankers in a known ambush spot. And conversely, those of us who try to sneak occasionally are going to have to get more creative in our approach, as those that hunt us get smarter in theirs. Shouting doesn't make your opinion seem more valid, it just makes you seem more annoying.


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