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Tau Lai
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:20:00 -
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It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. |
COVERT SUBTERFUGE
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DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:37:00 -
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Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It.
I'm afaid you're going to have to deal with balance issues forever in DUST 514. It's all part and parcel of being involved with a work in progress. Just use Jihad LAVs until 1.8 makes the owwy go away.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:41:00 -
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[quote=Tau Lai]It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It.[/quote
I've got your light work vehicle pilots:
Something about tanks requiring a larger SP and ISK investment, thus making it okay that 3 - 4 mercs is needed to take one out. Blah blah blah AV is fine, swarm launchers are fine, forge gunners can kill me sometimes, blah blah.
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1027
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:41:00 -
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I easily take down tanks singlehandedly... are you perhaps just bad? |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
525
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:46:00 -
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Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It.
3-4 idiots or 1 decently intelligent player...
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Tau Lai
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:46:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:I easily take down tanks singlehandedly... are you perhaps just bad?
No I am not. Game is unbalanced. Just read the topic. |
Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
203
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:48:00 -
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Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It.
You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7.
Also a tank driver can't hack objectives. They can't go everywhere infantry can go, and thus can't engage infantry on equal terms. They can't engage dropships unless the dropship is just lifting off or is being piloted by an idiot.
A decent tank usually costs way more than the dropsuits used by those 3-4 people do.
Etc.
You're not taking the full picture into account. Hence im gonna disregard your thread as nothing but more tank related QQ... |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
521
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:53:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. 3-4 idiots or 1 decently intelligent player...
...And a stupid tanker |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
861
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:54:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7. Also a tank driver can't hack objectives. They can't go everywhere infantry can go, and thus can't engage infantry on equal terms. They can't engage dropships unless the dropship is just lifting off or is being piloted by an idiot. A decent tank usually costs way more than the dropsuits used by those 3-4 people do. Etc. You're not taking the full picture into account. Hence im gonna disregard your thread as nothing but more tank related QQ...
except mlt tanks dont on the price
and redline railtanks have no problem with dropships
ect, ect,
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
521
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:56:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7. Also a tank driver can't hack objectives. They can't go everywhere infantry can go, and thus can't engage infantry on equal terms. They can't engage dropships unless the dropship is just lifting off or is being piloted by an idiot. A decent tank usually costs way more than the dropsuits used by those 3-4 people do. Etc. You're not taking the full picture into account. Hence im gonna disregard your thread as nothing but more tank related QQ...
AH RL examples how I love them. Just some facts in RL Tanks go easily down to infantry based anti tank weaponry. The tougher ones won't get killed in most situations. But their crew normally dies or the tank is out of combat. And RL tanks are oprated by crew of 3 to four men.... |
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1027
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:56:00 -
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Tau Lai wrote:Rasatsu wrote:I easily take down tanks singlehandedly... are you perhaps just bad? No I am not. Game is unbalanced. Just read the topic.
Yes you are bad, read the quoted post. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
525
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:59:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Tau Lai wrote:Rasatsu wrote:I easily take down tanks singlehandedly... are you perhaps just bad? No I am not. Game is unbalanced. Just read the topic. Yes you are bad, read the quoted post.
And how in a Railtank or with a forge? (forge still somehow works) Or do you use Jihad jeeps? The thing is most AV weaponry don't work very well and you need at least proto type levels to beat militia HAV's. In case of a forge you need a really good position or a stupid tanker and in the case of swarms/Av nades you eed multiple people working together and even than smart pilots can easily escape.... |
Tau Lai
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:05:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Tau Lai wrote:Rasatsu wrote:I easily take down tanks singlehandedly... are you perhaps just bad? No I am not. Game is unbalanced. Just read the topic. Yes you are bad, read the quoted post.
You are wrong.
Face it. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1027
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:07:00 -
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Tau Lai wrote:You are wrong.
Face it.
I am not, face it you're just bad. |
Tau Lai
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:07:00 -
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You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7
This is a game, not real life.
Real life is NOT balanced.
Game SHOULD be balanced.
But It is not.
Face It. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
640
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:14:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7. Also a tank driver can't hack objectives. They can't go everywhere infantry can go, and thus can't engage infantry on equal terms. They can't engage dropships unless the dropship is just lifting off or is being piloted by an idiot. A decent tank usually costs way more than the dropsuits used by those 3-4 people do. Etc. You're not taking the full picture into account. Hence im gonna disregard your thread as nothing but more tank related QQ... AH RL examples how I love them. Just some facts in RL Tanks go easily down to infantry based anti tank weaponry. The tougher ones won't get killed in most situations. But their crew normally dies or the tank is out of combat. And RL tanks are operated by crew of 3 to four men....
You beat me to it, I could make a list of different weapons used worldwide designed for use by one soldier to disable a tank. However this is just another repetitive QQ thread so I will not waste time trying to enlighten some misinformed people...
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Tau Lai
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:49:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7. Also a tank driver can't hack objectives. They can't go everywhere infantry can go, and thus can't engage infantry on equal terms. They can't engage dropships unless the dropship is just lifting off or is being piloted by an idiot. A decent tank usually costs way more than the dropsuits used by those 3-4 people do. Etc. You're not taking the full picture into account. Hence im gonna disregard your thread as nothing but more tank related QQ... AH RL examples how I love them. Just some facts in RL Tanks go easily down to infantry based anti tank weaponry. The tougher ones won't get killed in most situations. But their crew normally dies or the tank is out of combat. And RL tanks are operated by crew of 3 to four men.... You beat me to it, I could make a list of different weapons used worldwide designed for use by one soldier to disable a tank. However this is just another repetitive QQ thread so I will not waste time trying to enlighten some misinformed people...
You should actually play the game. It is happening. 2-3 tanks winning against 16 others is stupid and not fun at all.
You are just too blind to see. |
Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
203
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:50:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7. Also a tank driver can't hack objectives. They can't go everywhere infantry can go, and thus can't engage infantry on equal terms. They can't engage dropships unless the dropship is just lifting off or is being piloted by an idiot. A decent tank usually costs way more than the dropsuits used by those 3-4 people do. Etc. You're not taking the full picture into account. Hence im gonna disregard your thread as nothing but more tank related QQ... AH RL examples how I love them. Just some facts in RL Tanks go easily down to infantry based anti tank weaponry. The tougher ones won't get killed in most situations. But their crew normally dies or the tank is out of combat. And RL tanks are operated by crew of 3 to four men....
I've had this debate before, and crushed all examples given. So please, by all means tell me about that pissant javelin anti-tank missile again, and I'll show you real world tanks that laugh at it (and pretty much every other kind of man-portable anti-tank weaponry you try to throw at them).
There seems to be a misguided belief that modern tanks haven't progressed in terms of armour and countermeasures since the beginning of the cold war, and considering how you seem to believe in the effectiveness of man-portable anti-armour systems I can only assume you suffer from the same delusion. |
Tau Lai
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:53:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7. Also a tank driver can't hack objectives. They can't go everywhere infantry can go, and thus can't engage infantry on equal terms. They can't engage dropships unless the dropship is just lifting off or is being piloted by an idiot. A decent tank usually costs way more than the dropsuits used by those 3-4 people do. Etc. You're not taking the full picture into account. Hence im gonna disregard your thread as nothing but more tank related QQ... AH RL examples how I love them. Just some facts in RL Tanks go easily down to infantry based anti tank weaponry. The tougher ones won't get killed in most situations. But their crew normally dies or the tank is out of combat. And RL tanks are operated by crew of 3 to four men.... I've had this debate before, and crushed all examples given. So please, by all means tell me about that pissant javelin anti-tank missile again, and I'll show you real world tanks that laugh at it (and pretty much every other kind of man-portable anti-tank weaponry you try to throw at them). There seems to be a misguided belief that modern tanks haven't progressed in terms of armour and countermeasures since the beginning of the cold war, and considering how you seem to believe in the effectiveness of man-portable anti-armour systems I can only assume you suffer from the same delusion.
THIS:
This is a game, not real life.
Real life is NOT balanced.
Game SHOULD be balanced.
But It is not. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
527
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Posted - 2014.01.27 15:04:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7. Also a tank driver can't hack objectives. They can't go everywhere infantry can go, and thus can't engage infantry on equal terms. They can't engage dropships unless the dropship is just lifting off or is being piloted by an idiot. A decent tank usually costs way more than the dropsuits used by those 3-4 people do. Etc. You're not taking the full picture into account. Hence im gonna disregard your thread as nothing but more tank related QQ... AH RL examples how I love them. Just some facts in RL Tanks go easily down to infantry based anti tank weaponry. The tougher ones won't get killed in most situations. But their crew normally dies or the tank is out of combat. And RL tanks are operated by crew of 3 to four men.... I've had this debate before, and crushed all examples given. So please, by all means tell me about that pissant javelin anti-tank missile again, and I'll show you real world tanks that laugh at it (and pretty much every other kind of man-portable anti-tank weaponry you try to throw at them). There seems to be a misguided belief that modern tanks haven't progressed in terms of armour and countermeasures since the beginning of the cold war, and considering how you seem to believe in the effectiveness of man-portable anti-armour systems I can only assume you suffer from the same delusion.
The same is true for anti tank weapons and I clearly stated not all tanks get outright destroyed. But in most cases where the tank don't get destroyed it gets so heavily damaged that it is out of combat for weeks or gets destroyed by his own crew because it could fall into enemy hands.
And there is Anti tank weaponry that is designed to kill the crew not the tank itself....and lastly there is a reason tanks avoid city places unless they are specifically fitted for those.... |
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.27 15:14:00 -
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4 Tanks on one side, makes it really difficult to properly engage their infantry on equal footing, most tanks these days only carry their main turret so its a 1 man Tank, so thats still 12 infantry to deal with.
A little bit of open terrain and your in for a very rough game with these Nascar tanks.
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
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557
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Posted - 2014.01.27 15:18:00 -
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Rambo killed tanks in his movies and that noob barely has 4m SP, I call bullshit on all RL comparrisons. |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
557
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Posted - 2014.01.27 15:26:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:and redline railtanks Well, this is the actual issue. Redline sniping (in any format) needs to be a thing of the past.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4040
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Posted - 2014.01.27 15:57:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Tau Lai wrote:You are wrong.
Face it. I am not, face it you're just bad.
Since you like to use ad-hominem, I'll jump in.
Until you take KingBabar's challenge, and then solo a well establish pilot with AV. Your a b!tch until you do so.
Face it, your just being a b!tch and wasting everyone's time.
Mkay?
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Tau Lai
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.01.27 15:58:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:and redline railtanks Well, this is the actual issue. Redline sniping (in any format) needs to be a thing of the past.
Not the only problem, but deinitely a big one. |
Tau Lai
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.01.27 15:58:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Rasatsu wrote:Tau Lai wrote:You are wrong.
Face it. I am not, face it you're just bad. Since you like to use ad-hominem, I'll jump in. Until you take KingBabar's challenge, and then solo a well establish pilot with AV. Your a b!tch until you do so. Face it, your just being a b!tch and wasting everyone's time. Mkay?
Nope, you are obviously wrong. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1684
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:07:00 -
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Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It.
Does it make sense when one guy is able to bring down a ******* tank? I don't think so.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4042
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:09:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. Does it make sense when one guy is able to bring down a ******* tank? I don't think so.
Yes, it does.
One Person = One Person.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4042
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:10:00 -
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Tau Lai wrote:
Nope, you are obviously wrong.
How?
Please, show me a video of you soloing a "well established" pilot.
Unless you do, then the fact that good pilots can't be soloed still stands.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4042
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:11:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Tau Lai wrote:It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) .
1.7 ruined this game.
And that is It. You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7. Also a tank driver can't hack objectives. They can't go everywhere infantry can go, and thus can't engage infantry on equal terms. They can't engage dropships unless the dropship is just lifting off or is being piloted by an idiot. A decent tank usually costs way more than the dropsuits used by those 3-4 people do. Etc. You're not taking the full picture into account. Hence im gonna disregard your thread as nothing but more tank related QQ...
Do you really want things to be like IRL?
If so, then require tanks to be operated by 3-4 players, AND the multiple people on AV will either 1HK your vehicle, or kill everyone inside the vehicle. Real Life examples don't seem so balanced now do they?
Nobody needs to hack objectives when you have 150 Clones to farm, very few maps have cover to where you can hide from vehicles and still win the match, and Dropships have nothing to do with AV.
Does cost even matter? AV suits range from 150-215k. HAVs range from 150-800k. But guess who is going to lose more? The AV guy who usually dies 3-4 time destroying the AV. That's about 600-860k. AV now costs a lot more than your tank.
Considering how your "picture" was both false and misguided, I'm going to take your statement about not seeing "the big picture" with a grain of salt.
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