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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4040	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:57:00 - [1] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Tau Lai wrote: You are wrong. Face it. I am not, face it you're just bad. Since you like to use ad-hominem, I'll jump in. Until you take KingBabar's challenge, and then solo a well establish pilot with AV. Your a b!tch until you do so. Face it, your just being a b!tch and wasting everyone's time. Mkay? *PEANUT BUTTER COOKIE MASTER COOKIE* So when are we gonna get those Matari Vehicles? Please don't be SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4042	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:09:00 - [2] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Tau Lai wrote: It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) . 1.7 ruined this game. And that is It. Does it make sense when one guy is able to bring down a ***** tank? I don't think so. Yes, it does. One Person = One Person. PEANUT BUTTER COOKIE MASTER COOKIE** So when are we gonna get those Matari Vehicles? Please don't be SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4042	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:10:00 - [3] - Quote Tau Lai wrote: Nope, you are obviously wrong. How? Please, show me a video of you soloing a "well established" pilot. Unless you do, then the fact that good pilots can't be soloed still stands. *PEANUT BUTTER COOKIE MASTER COOKIE* So when are we gonna get those Matari Vehicles? Please don't be SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4042	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:11:00 - [4] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Tau Lai wrote: It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) . 1.7 ruined this game. And that is It. You need 3-4 people to bring down a tank IRL too. It's not "unbalanced" it makes sense unlike how it was before 1.7. Also a tank driver can't hack objectives. They can't go everywhere infantry can go, and thus can't engage infantry on equal terms. They can't engage dropships unless the dropship is just lifting off or is being piloted by an idiot. A decent tank usually costs way more than the dropsuits used by those 3-4 people do. Etc. You're not taking the full picture into account. Hence im gonna disregard your thread as nothing but more tank related QQ... Do you really want things to be like IRL? If so, then require tanks to be operated by 3-4 players, AND the multiple people on AV will either 1HK your vehicle, or kill everyone inside the vehicle. Real Life examples don't seem so balanced now do they? Nobody needs to hack objectives when you have 150 Clones to farm, very few maps have cover to where you can hide from vehicles and still win the match, and Dropships have nothing to do with AV. Does cost even matter? AV suits range from 150-215k. HAVs range from 150-800k. But guess who is going to lose more? The AV guy who usually dies 3-4 time destroying the AV. That's about 600-860k. AV now costs a lot more than your tank. Considering how your "picture" was both false and misguided, I'm going to take your statement about not seeing "the big picture" with a grain of salt. *PEANUT BUTTER COOKIE MASTER COOKIE* So when are we gonna get those Matari Vehicles? Please don't be SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4044	Posted - 2014.01.27 20:32:00 - [5] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: One person with a piece of significantly more expensive and armored piece of equipment against one person with significantly less expensive piece og equipment. Not a very good comparison. Your argument = sh!t Best HAV Setup Cost: 800k Best AV Suit Cost: 215k. Keep in mind, the typical AVer will die 3-4+ times while on AV. That's 645-860k. Which is more than 800k. Your in an armored piece of equipment against something designed to demolish armored equipment. Keep that in mind. Your argument (or lack thereof) = Non-existent. *PEANUT BUTTER COOKIE MASTER COOKIE* So when are we gonna get those Matari Vehicles? Please don't be SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4044	Posted - 2014.01.27 20:34:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tau Lai wrote: It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) . 1.7 ruined this game. And that is It. Stop bitching and make rational and constructive suggestions on how to fix the issue. You only sound weak and worth my trolling time right now, though its not as though I don't agree with you, however spend the time you do bitching considering valid, logical, and innovative suggestions for CCP to use. HTFU. Play nice. He's new here. At least wait until he has 100 Likes. Then you can eat him up as much as you want. *PEANUT BUTTER COOKIE MASTER COOKIE* So when are we gonna get those Matari Vehicles? Please don't be SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4055	Posted - 2014.01.28 02:02:00 - [7] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: No, that's pretty much an equal amount of isk. So you just shot your own "argument" in the foot. Also what you neglect to mention is what that said AV:er will be killed by. The tank he tries to engage or some random redberry with an assault rifle. Getting gunned down by infantry doesn't prove that tanks would be overpowered, it only proves that AV-fits aren't versatile. Also decent AV player doesn't open fire on a tank from a position where the tank can immediately retaliate, which harkens back to another real world example where infantry doing anti-armor duty never deploy any missiles or grenades right smack in the open (like you nooby, complaining AV-players do in the game). They ambush vehicles in a myriad of ways like firing from cover (why do you think they favor "fire and forget"-weapon systems?), hiding in ditches and roadsides before engaging, setting up explosives etc. Back for more eh? Leonid Tybalt wrote: One person with a piece of significantly more expensive and armored piece of equipment against one person with significantly less expensive piece og of equipment. Your argument was that the AV equipment was "significantly less expensive", which it isn't (in fact, AV actually costs more than the HAV). This negates your argument and makes it non-existent. There is no foot of mine being shot, as it is your argument that is incorrect, not mine. I'll give you about 1 ISK for attempting though. You clearly don't AV, so I'll spell out the obvious fact that most of your deaths will come from a vehicle, not infantry. Along with this, I'm not using the fact that AV dies frequently as an argument for tanks being OP. I'm using it as an argument against your deluded thought that makes you believe that AVing is "significantly cheaper" than tanking. Quit shooting your foot, It already has enough bullet wounds as it is. Considering how AV weapons can't fire without stepping out of cover, your argument about "never open firing on a vehicle where it can retaliate" is incorrect. Along with this, a vehicle with a good pilot is never in a spot where it can't retaliate back . Though you don't seem to realize this, so I guess it's safe to assume that you are a bad vehicle pilot. What a real-life military favors is irrelevant. A real-life military would "favor" weapons that either 1HK vehicles, or destroy the entire crew inside. A real life military would "favor" Uprising 1.6 AV weaponry. Let's not go there. You rely on 10k eHP to be competitive. Calling me nooby is like the pot calling the kettle black. *PEANUT BUTTER COOKIE MASTER COOKIE* So when are we gonna get those Matari Vehicles? Please don't be SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4055	Posted - 2014.01.28 02:09:00 - [8] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Tau Lai wrote: It doesn't make sense you need 3 or 4 people to bring down a tank (one player, >1<) . 1.7 ruined this game. And that is It. Yes, let's make it where one person can take down even the best tanker in Dust without even trying, see how many people leave the game. It's fun to destroy tanks, you just have to (and this may be a new concept to you) try. Has anybody ever said that they want to destroy tanks without effort? I think people confuse the term "solo" with "easy." Why exactly should a tanker be able to survive the best AV without trying again? Because that's what 1.7 is. Yes, dumping 600+ ISK per match is really fun. *PEANUT BUTTER COOKIE MASTER COOKIE* So when are we gonna get those Matari Vehicles? Please don't be SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4057	Posted - 2014.01.28 02:58:00 - [9] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: sigh NO ONE should be able to take out a tank solo or easily, unless they use remote explosives and AV grenades. I was hoping you wouldn't reply, I'm not getting into an argument with the biggest tank hater since Leukoplast. I don't hate tanks. Heck, I even tank sometimes. It's the mindset of most of the people driving them that irks me. If I can't solo then why should the tanker be able to solo? And I really hope you are mistaken when you said that HAVs should be easily soloed by AV Grenades. That's bad. *PEANUT BUTTER COOKIE MASTER COOKIE* So when are we gonna get those Matari Vehicles? Please don't be SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4098	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:37:00 - [10] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Wow, the amount of bullshit coming out of you is staggering. There's no sense in debating the issue with you any further. Your reality is vastly seperate from the one the rest of us inhabits. You'll desperstely remain butthurt regardless. So im just gonna take some extra satisfaction in rolling around in my tank (which im gonna do more often thanks to you), knowing that my behaviour scares whiney noobs like you away from the game entirely. :) Call it bull$#!t if you want, but the above statement(s) defeat your "argument" entirely. I'm not the one saying that tanks should be like they are in real life. You seem to be the only one inhabiting that "reality" Go ahead. You'll probably just start crying like the rest of the bad tankers when you get Jihad Jeeped and Railguned out of existence. I may be a "noob," but I can still be competitive without 10k eHP. Want to know how to make a strike through with your text? [s[Example Text[/s] Now go Forum Warriors. Use This Weapon!

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4098	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:44:00 - [11] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Because the tanker paid more isk for his tank and invested more skillpoints in it to be as effective as he is with it than your typical AV:er did for his proto forge gun. /thread A MLT 80GJ Railgun with 0 SP requirements is more effective than a Wyrikomi Breach Forge Gun with Proficiency V that has a 2mil SP requirement. Your argument is now invalid. Want to know how to make a strike through with your text? [s[Example Text[/s] Now go Forum Warriors. Use The Weapon!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4109	Posted - 2014.01.28 19:43:00 - [12] - Quote @TechMechMeds If AV should be using teamwork, and this game promotes teamwork; why should only one person be allowed to pilot a vehicle? Want to know how to make a strike through with your text? [s[Example Text[/s] Now go Forum Warriors. Use The Weapon!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4133	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:00:00 - [13] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: This thread has made my day reading the OP and AtiimGÇÖs childish argumentative responses to everyones posts. Note to the OP: Don't feed the trolls! My arguments are a lot better than yours... And unlike mine, are backed by facts and things that can be reproduced in-game, while yours consists of the "it's a tank" or "I paid more (which is a lie btw), so I should be better" mentalities. Don't call the kettle black. Especially when your a pot. Want to know how to make a strike through with your text? [s[Example Text[/s] Now go Forum Warriors. Use The Weapon!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4138	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:23:00 - [14] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: But that pther person is using a tank which is three times as expensive as your suit. I've already countered that argument in this thread. Atiim wrote: Does cost even matter? AV suits range from 150-215k. HAVs range from 150-800k. But guess who is going to lose more? The AV guy who usually dies 3-4 time destroying the AV. That's about 600-860k. AV now costs a lot more than your tank. Don't attempt to use the SP payment argument either. The SP requirement for basic modules and the HAV hull is chump change when you compare it to all of the skills required to be effective with AV. Grenadier V, Weapon Operation V, Weapon Proficiency V, Dropsuit Electronics III, and Dropsuit Engineering III, Light Weapon Operation IV, and/or Heavy Weapon Operation I. As opposed to: Vehicle Operation V, HAV Operation I, Vehicle Core Upgrades I, Shield Upgrades I, Armor Upgrades I, Armor Transporting I, and Shield Boosting I. Being moderately decent at AV requires a good 5mil SP, while less than 2mil SP can net you all of the Basic Items needed to freely stomp at will. And this definition of "effective" is very, very generous considering how MLT items are just as effective as STD/ADV/PRO items (bar CPU/PG usage). If I really wanted to, I could say that you need 0 SP and still be effective. And I'd still be correct too. Want to know how to make a strike through with your text? [s[Example Text[/s] Now go Forum Warriors. Use The Weapon!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4178	Posted - 2014.01.29 16:58:00 - [15] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Tau Lai wrote: Rasatsu wrote: I easily take down tanks singlehandedly... are you perhaps just bad? No I am not. Game is unbalanced. Just read the topic. I swear I am not bad, the game must be broken. LOL. Yep. I guess that makes 1.6 Tankers bad too... Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4179	Posted - 2014.01.29 17:59:00 - [16] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: Yep. I guess that makes 1.6 Tankers bad too... You never have answered if you thought swarms were balanced in 1.6. I'd like to get an official answer on that front out of you. And you wouldn't have said what you told Tau Lai if you thought HAVs are balanced. As for wether or not I though Swarms were balanced in 1.6. They needed a few tweaks, but the were mostly balanced against Madrugars. Gunnlogies..... They needed some help. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!

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