DUST Search - Taking Turns Hacking With Opponent Scout

Clone D wrote:

Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:

TL;DR

I have always wondered why every player always will kill another player no matter what. Early on in my Dust career I would get so frustrated with being stomped that I simply turned backwards and reversed into the enemy. Needless to say I was always shot down. I mean really thou? This is New Eden, not all clones are down there to kill and have no second thoughts, where are the tricksters, the sooth sayers, the calm collected WP farming saboteurs. There needs to be a way to talk with the enemy. Maybe this could involve an equipment module and work like a squad command order.

Not a very good idea, but though I would contribute it any way.

I like your thinking. Always trying something new and thinking outside of the box.

I have tried several non-standard behaviors ranging from enemy cooperation to befriending red dots. It has never worked out for me yet, since they are hungry for the kill. It's so funny how obvious it must be that I am deliberately breaking standard protocol and yet they charge on "KILL KILL KILL".

May the force be with you :)

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Clone D Grundstein Automation 92	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:31:00 - [1] - Quote Do any scouts out there take turns hacking objectives with opponents? This should be a de facto behavior for scouts. We could be farming tons of WP. Here's how I see the scenario playing out. You just finished hacking a reanimation unit in a remote area of the map and turn around to see an opponent scout standing there. Yes he could have killed you while you were hacking, but instead he shows no signs of hostility. Then he proceeds to hack the reanimation unit and stands back. Then you hack the reanimation unit. Then he hacks .... This would be way more lucrative than killing each other. Grundstein Automation
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3627	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:34:00 - [2] - Quote Stop geeking around, just stop. You're publicly embarrassing yourself. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
echo47 Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:35:00 - [3] - Quote If you are serious and not a one man corp, your corpmates should kick you or team kill you until you quit for this post. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1313	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:38:00 - [4] - Quote Here's an idea... Anime > EVERYTHING
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 22	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:38:00 - [5] - Quote I'll so get into a scout suit to take advantage of some passive Friendly Encounter hacking. And to just look at everyone's face when it says I have 12 Million WP from one game.
Adelia Lafayette Science For Death 583	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:43:00 - [6] - Quote I saw some people doing this in a pub once...people queue synched on both sides watched them for about a minute in my tank after killing like 2 reds while the blue's shot at me trying to get me to go away.... got bored of watching and decided i should get my wp's too and murdered the rest of the red dots Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1350	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:44:00 - [7] - Quote I will be contacting your employers. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2162	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:46:00 - [8] - Quote No but i will take turns killing red dots with red logi's who keep reviving them. When the logi stops i kill the logi also, no mercy. I do this to be an ass, not to farm war points those. Selling Rare Templar BPO's 250Mil ISK
Clone D Grundstein Automation 92	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:49:00 - [9] - Quote Ha ha ha. Not saying I would want to do it all the time, but I'd give it a go, just to see how many WP we could accumulate. The fun part would be shooting the cooperative opponent right before the end of the match. Grundstein Automation
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1843	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:57:00 - [10] - Quote Clone D wrote: Do any scouts out there take turns hacking objectives with opponents? This should be a de facto behavior for scouts. We could be farming tons of WP. Here's how I see the scenario playing out. You just finished hacking a reanimation unit in a remote area of the map and turn around to see an opponent scout standing there. Yes he could have killed you while you were hacking, but instead he shows no signs of hostility. Then he proceeds to hack the reanimation unit and stands back. Then you hack the reanimation unit. Then he hacks .... This would be way more lucrative than killing each other. It doesn't work out in the way you think it does. I've tried this with a friend. Once a counter hack is made, only the first counter-hacker continues to receive the +80 wps for every additional counter-hack. Effectively you could trade off between who gets boosted each round, but it's a pain finding non contested null canons. However, if you sync full teams players can trade off more effectively without resistance. McDonell Miller Explains the Dust Challenge Lottery Protocol

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1843	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:58:00 - [11] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I will be contacting your employers. He's welcome to join Xer Cloud Consortium or one of our affiliates. McDonell Miller Explains the Dust Challenge Lottery Protocol
Clone D Grundstein Automation 94	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:02:00 - [12] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: I've tried this with a friend. Awesome! I would chose a lower profile objective though, like a remote supply depot or reanimation unit. Grundstein Automation
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3756	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:04:00 - [13] - Quote If neither of your teammates walked in to shove their barrel up both of your asses, then you have pretty sad teams. I am your scan error.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1846	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:05:00 - [14] - Quote Clone D wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: I've tried this with a friend. Awesome! I would chose a lower profile objective though, like a remote supply depot or reanimation unit. And those work without issue. 50wp a transfer for each player. Each of you work together to call out opposing threats that display on the Tacnet. McDonell Miller Explains the Dust Challenge Lottery Protocol
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1846	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:07:00 - [15] - Quote Otherwise, if you can't find adequate terminals to hack, place down speedy uplinks in remote locations and take turns landing headshot kills on one another. 60pts per shot. McDonell Miller Explains the Dust Challenge Lottery Protocol
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 519	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:07:00 - [16] - Quote Clone D wrote: Ha ha ha. Not saying I would want to do it all the time, but I'd give it a go, just to see how many WP we could accumulate. The fun part would be shooting the cooperative opponent right before the end of the match. Already been done. See? If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Clone D Grundstein Automation 94	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:08:00 - [17] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Otherwise, if you can't find adequate terminals to hack, place down speedy uplinks in remote locations and take turns landing headshot kills on one another. 60pts per shot. Very nice. "We might even be able to bring down the whole damn system." Grundstein Automation
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro Omega Elite Mercs INC. 86	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:10:00 - [18] - Quote TL;DR I have always wondered why every player always will kill another player no matter what. Early on in my Dust career I would get so frustrated with being stomped that I simply turned backwards and reversed into the enemy. Needless to say I was always shot down. I mean really thou? This is New Eden, not all clones are down there to kill and have no second thoughts, where are the tricksters, the sooth sayers, the calm collected WP farming saboteurs. There needs to be a way to talk with the enemy. Maybe this could involve an equipment module and work like a squad command order. Not a very good idea, but though I would contribute it any way. FAME
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1847	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:11:00 - [19] - Quote Clone D wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Otherwise, if you can't find adequate terminals to hack, place down speedy uplinks in remote locations and take turns landing headshot kills on one another. 60pts per shot. Very nice. "We might even be able to bring down the whole damn system." Remember not to place opposing uplinks directly next to each other. Run to each person's uplink as you stagger spawns. McDonell Miller Explains the Dust Challenge Lottery Protocol
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1847	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:13:00 - [20] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: TL;DR I have always wondered why every player always will kill another player no matter what. Early on in my Dust career I would get so frustrated with being stomped that I simply turned backwards and reversed into the enemy. Needless to say I was always shot down. I mean really thou? This is New Eden, not all clones are down there to kill and have no second thoughts, where are the tricksters, the sooth sayers, the calm collected WP farming saboteurs. There needs to be a way to talk with the enemy. Maybe this could involve an equipment module and work like a squad command order. Not a very good idea, but though I would contribute it any way. Proximity Chat would be nice to have. McDonell Miller Explains the Dust Challenge Lottery Protocol

Clone D Grundstein Automation 97	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:15:00 - [21] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: TL;DR I have always wondered why every player always will kill another player no matter what. Early on in my Dust career I would get so frustrated with being stomped that I simply turned backwards and reversed into the enemy. Needless to say I was always shot down. I mean really thou? This is New Eden, not all clones are down there to kill and have no second thoughts, where are the tricksters, the sooth sayers, the calm collected WP farming saboteurs. There needs to be a way to talk with the enemy. Maybe this could involve an equipment module and work like a squad command order. Not a very good idea, but though I would contribute it any way. I like your thinking. Always trying something new and thinking outside of the box. I have tried several non-standard behaviors ranging from enemy cooperation to befriending red dots. It has never worked out for me yet, since they are hungry for the kill. It's so funny how obvious it must be that I am deliberately breaking standard protocol and yet they charge on "KILL KILL KILL". May the force be with you :) Grundstein Automation
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro Omega Elite Mercs INC. 87	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:18:00 - [22] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: TL;DR I have always wondered why every player always will kill another player no matter what. Early on in my Dust career I would get so frustrated with being stomped that I simply turned backwards and reversed into the enemy. Needless to say I was always shot down. I mean really thou? This is New Eden, not all clones are down there to kill and have no second thoughts, where are the tricksters, the sooth sayers, the calm collected WP farming saboteurs. There needs to be a way to talk with the enemy. Maybe this could involve an equipment module and work like a squad command order. Not a very good idea, but though I would contribute it any way. Proximity Chat would be nice to have. Maybe. Pros and cons. Would you then have to spend your precious time in game to selectively mute those who say nothing but gibberish? However, this would be a cool mechanic for squad organization, as shouting to your mates that you see a target may alert your presence. Worth a try if done correctly. And of course no sound after death. FAME
Clone D Grundstein Automation 97	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:18:00 - [23] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Remember not to place opposing uplinks directly next to each other. Run to each person's uplink as you stagger spawns. And do it in a remote area where no team mates would want to spawn. We don't want any unwanted surprises. Grundstein Automation
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro Omega Elite Mercs INC. 87	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:24:00 - [24] - Quote Clone D wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: TL;DR I have always wondered why every player always will kill another player no matter what. Early on in my Dust career I would get so frustrated with being stomped that I simply turned backwards and reversed into the enemy. Needless to say I was always shot down. I mean really thou? This is New Eden, not all clones are down there to kill and have no second thoughts, where are the tricksters, the sooth sayers, the calm collected WP farming saboteurs. There needs to be a way to talk with the enemy. Maybe this could involve an equipment module and work like a squad command order. Not a very good idea, but though I would contribute it any way. I like your thinking. Always trying something new and thinking outside of the box. I have tried several non-standard behaviors ranging from enemy cooperation to befriending red dots. It has never worked out for me yet, since they are hungry for the kill. It's so funny how obvious it must be that I am deliberately breaking standard protocol and yet they charge on "KILL KILL KILL". May the force be with you :) I tried posting a thread that encouraged special event days in Dust. If I held enough sway in the community it would happen, but my voice gets lost in the echoing ideas. I tried to spearhead the idea that we should host a nova knife comp day. We we would meet in the center of an ambush and form a circle. Teams of NKs go in and the battle is determined by NK players. It would take a little bit of work, but should any person that doesn't play Dust hear that this kind of thing can happen in this game, they would play it. We should all try to make this game something more than it was designed to be. FAME
Clone D Grundstein Automation 98	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:57:00 - [25] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: I tried to spearhead the idea that we should host a nova knife comp day. I've always wanted to try gun slinging duels, where two opponents stand back to back, walk apart from each other for 5 seconds and then turn around and gun each other down. Grundstein Automation
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1045	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:59:00 - [26] - Quote If I know an enemy Scout is near an objective I'm holding, I wait for it to flash. I shank him in the back while he hacks. Because that's what Scouts do. Unless he sees me and flashes Knives. Then we duel. Because that's what Scouts do.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 98	Posted - 2014.01.27 04:04:00 - [27] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Because that's what Scouts do. You are right, however some scouts also seek variety. Btw, didn't I get a head shot on you while you were hacking earlier today? How did that make you feel? Grundstein Automation
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1045	Posted - 2014.01.27 04:07:00 - [28] - Quote Clone D wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Because that's what Scouts do. You are right, however some scouts also seek variety. Btw, didn't I get a head shot on you while you were hacking earlier today? How did that make you feel? Doubtful. This is a Forum Alt.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 99	Posted - 2014.01.27 13:53:00 - [29] - Quote Does anyone have any information concerning the time that it takes to complete a hack at the various Systems Hacking skill graduations and with various code breakers applied? Scout cooperation actually sounds like an auspicious way to earn big WP. Let's say that we establish standard locations to meet up on the various maps and that each scout takes approximately 1 minute to get there and that scouts are tanked with codebreakers (I named my hacker suit "Aardvark"). Assuming that a round lasts 15 minutes, that an average hack takes 4 seconds and there is a 1 second delay between opposing scout hacks, that gives the following formula [ (15 min round - 1 min commute) / (4 sec hack + 1 sec buffer) ] / 2 people = 84 hacks each 84 * 50 = 4200 WP each Of course, if we hack faster and reduce overhead between hacks, this method could yield hundreds or thousands of more WP. I say we implement this exigently. Time to start designating rendezvous points. Recommended Protocol Scouts meet at an established rendezvous point. We also need a sign that we intend to cooperate, like dancing around in a circle without attacking. Establish trust at rendezvous point. Remember the name(s) of the other scout(s). After scouts establish trust at rendezvous point, then one scout leads the other(s) to a choice objective to commence hacking. Caveats Saboteurs may learn of the rendezvous points and imitate the authentication behavior to gain trust and then go for the kill when the other scout least suspects it. Hunters may watch the map for this behavior (objectives changing red/blue every 5 seconds) and go for the kill. Remediation Desist activity for duration of match. If you encounter and recognize the cooperative scout elsewhere, resume activity. Grundstein Automation
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 183	Posted - 2014.01.27 13:57:00 - [30] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No but i will take turns killing red dots with red logi's who keep reviving them. When the logi stops i kill the logi also, no mercy. I do this to be an ass, not to farm war points those. That moment when you are on the other receiving end thow..... The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!



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