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Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:38:00 - [1] - Quote 1. Your suit can carry it to. Like most do anyway carry what you need most. Do not rely on someone else. - Logi CPU/PG allow noobs and baddies to fit what ever they want without having to understand much about proper fitting. 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. 3. It is rare to be nano injected without dieing instantly because they are going for the 60sp and sometimes even suicide to do it. If you are injected its always the noob injector and they armor rep for more sp or leave you half dead. 4. Remove the logi and share equipment drops = WAY more isk and WP for you because the logi did not suck them all up by farming spawn points. 5. They just think they are some kind gift to the battle field. Like we could not all do it LOL. They defend there place as toping the charts with 1-5. Meanwhile the skilled players role there eyes. Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together.
3Dollars Too Short Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 22	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:46:00 - [2] - Quote I do not want to be in your squad
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1250	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:47:00 - [3] - Quote not everyone is specced into equipment, but you can count on a logi to be specced into what the team needs(assuming it's not a FoTM slayer-logi). pretty much what you say is easier said than done. i have yet to see a squad so perfectly coordinated that everyone is specced into the EXACT thing that is needed for their part. meanwhile, i'll be enjoying the logis in my squad... Anime > EVERYTHING
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 658	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:47:00 - [4] - Quote I'm sure Gal Heavies wouldn't turn a proto Minmatar logi w/ Core focused repair tool away. Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 2 Gêå1; Other DS: 28 Gêå1; Tanks: 29 Gêå2 1/20
Lorhak Gannarsein 1302	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:48:00 - [5] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: 1. Your suit can carry it to. Like most do anyway carry what you need most. Do not rely on someone else. - Logi CPU/PG allow noobs and baddies to fit what ever they want without having to understand much about proper fitting. It may take a bit more time to fit a good suit (not logi) with equipment. But there is SD you can always switch to full combat. 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. 3. It is rare to be nano injected without dieing instantly because they are going for the 60sp and sometimes even suicide to do it. If you are injected its always the noob injector and they armor rep for more sp or leave you half dead. 4. Remove the logi and share equipment drops = WAY more isk and WP for you because the logi did not suck them all up by farming spawn points. 5. They just think they are some kind gift to the battle field. Like we could not all do it LOL. They defend there place as toping the charts with 1-5. Meanwhile the skilled players role there eyes. Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Pro Tip: Each member of your elite squad can make a copy suit with different equipment. Work a Supply Depot - drop your equipment and switch to your combat suits. I dunno... Can't see you squad being viable with a core focused repper guy. Kind of difficult to be up a heavy's butt without some way of self healing - i.e nanohives. Otherwise that's an extra guy wasted. Keep me out of our squad, please. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 492	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:48:00 - [6] - Quote Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2610	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:48:00 - [7] - Quote pro tip 6 logis is easier :( "Imagine a world where hypothetical thoughts didn't exist" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficeiney 5 \o/
Vance Vyth DUST University Ivy League 13	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:49:00 - [8] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: 1. Your suit can carry it to. Like most do anyway carry what you need most. Do not rely on someone else. - Logi CPU/PG allow noobs and baddies to fit what ever they want without having to understand much about proper fitting. It may take a bit more time to fit a good suit (not logi) with equipment. But there is SD you can always switch to full combat. 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. 3. It is rare to be nano injected without dieing instantly because they are going for the 60sp and sometimes even suicide to do it. If you are injected its always the noob injector and they armor rep for more sp or leave you half dead. 4. Remove the logi and share equipment drops = WAY more isk and WP for you because the logi did not suck them all up by farming spawn points. 5. They just think they are some kind gift to the battle field. Like we could not all do it LOL. They defend there place as toping the charts with 1-5. Meanwhile the skilled players role there eyes. Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Pro Tip: Each member of your elite squad can make a copy suit with different equipment. Work a Supply Depot - drop your equipment and switch to your combat suits. You obviously never been in a squad with a good logi if you're saying this. The Ignorance in this post is unbelievable. I'm not even going to counter argument, you don't deserve it. (a¦ê+ä-£a¦ê) n++Gö¦pâçGòÉGÇö _ - (a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ) "60+"
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 972	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:49:00 - [9] - Quote Why are we posting this? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Azura Sakura Blood Eye Ravens 549	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:49:00 - [10] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. 1 proto logi can do that easily.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3838	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:52:00 - [11] - Quote And all of that you just said can be done with only 1 person in a Logistics suit. Make my entire squad run a certain type of equipment, or field a Logistics user. Whichever shall I pick? Also, where does the heavy fall within your statement? Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 110	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:55:00 - [12] - Quote It's because of people like the OP that us logibros keep getting diminished suit-wise and getting a bad rap. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:02:00 - [13] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:07:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: And all of that you just said can be done with only 1 person in a Logistics suit. Make my entire squad run a certain type of equipment, or field a Logistics user. Whichever shall I pick? Also, where does the heavy fall within your statement? Does your squad want more isk, WP shared? Does your squad want to compromise a team player for something you can all do? What else will your squad carry for equipment. Most likely they already drop a lot of the same things your logi wasted squad spot does. They just need teamwork and leadership to work those together. I understand. It is not easy - it requires skill - Why are all the logi players running away... On skill and not easy scared them out LOL
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2747	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:07:00 - [15] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:10:00 - [16] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it?
Rusty Shallows 876	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:11:00 - [17] - Quote Hear that Devs? It is time to consider monkeying with certain kinds of Equipment so that non-Logis can't fit anything better advance with stretching. Increase the base fitting requirements of most equipment along with the Logi Class bonus. Let's see a Slayer give up a complex gank or tank module in exchange for Stable Uplinks or K2 Hives. Just kidding.... ... or am I? Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:17:00 - [18] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Hear that Devs? It is time to consider monkeying with certain kinds of Equipment so that non-Logis can't fit anything better advance with stretching. Increase the base fitting requirements of most equipment along with the Logi Class bonus. Let's see a Slayer give up a complex gank or tank module in exchange for Stable Uplinks or K2 Hives. Just kidding.... ... or am I? Honestly please slayers try it. Want/need more isk - or want to be the top of the charts. Do that - Switch to an uplink and watch the points roll in passively as you slay away. You will get a lot more out if it then blowing up a tank. P.S poster - you should have a dedicated AV fit not half-assing a equipment slot with something that will not pop a tank or will require you to risk a suit to deploy. A passive drop allows you to stay undercover doing what you do best well collecting easy points. Nano hives also!
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2725	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:21:00 - [19] - Quote So all your heals, nanohive and needles belong to us? Gotta love my logibros out there. Even after 1.8, we won't die. Just the imposters will run away. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1523	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:22:00 - [20] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? Hmmm. I wonder why they guys that typically use STD weapons against PRO weapons + PRO combat dropsuits don't fare well in combat? I just cant seem to put my finger on it... This game isn't about skill as much as it's about who is wearing the better gear. You bash Logis with some deap-seated hatred. Show us on the doll where the Logis touched you. Also, get over yourself. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2749	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:23:00 - [21] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? Good logistics support their team through firepower as well. I've seen plenty of crappy assaults too. I was going to say your squad tactics had some merits but you seem to have such disdain for anybody that isn't a pure assault I'm not going to bother. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:24:00 - [22] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? Good logistics support their team through firepower as well. I've seen plenty of crappy assaults too. I was going to say your squad tactics had some merits but you seem to have such disdain for anybody that isn't a pure assault I'm not going to bother. Naa I know there are changes coming that will fix these issues.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:26:00 - [23] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So all your heals, nanohive and needles belong to us? Gotta love my logibros out there. Even after 1.8, we won't die. Just the imposters will run away. This will make me happy. Add some skill requirements on passive drop equipment! I fully respect active logi equipment. But that role can be done by others (is m point above).
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 628	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:27:00 - [24] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? Maybe they're too busy actually Repping, reviving, dropping Uplinks/Hives, Scanning, and cover-firing getting Assist Kills to actually care about KDR?
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:29:00 - [25] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? Maybe they're too busy actually Repping, reviving, dropping Uplinks/Hives, Scanning, and cover-firing getting Assist Kills to actually care about KDR? So we loss the Ambush and you top the charts with 1-10 and feel like a hero.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 103	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:33:00 - [26] - Quote <------ is a logi, with a positive KD. Tell me again how I can't just switch to my gun and shoot you in the face?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4124	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:34:00 - [27] - Quote No way, I love my squad's logi, perhaps a bit too much...... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2725	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:34:00 - [28] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So all your heals, nanohive and needles belong to us? Gotta love my logibros out there. Even after 1.8, we won't die. Just the imposters will run away. This will make me happy. Add some skill requirements on passive drop equipment! I fully respect active logi equipment. But that role can be done by others (is m point above). Yes it can but should it be attempted? Well, that's a choice made by the individual. With the new changes upcoming, logibros are going to logi. Something that has been done before but the multitude of people who become logi solely for WP gain will phase out. Or at least thats what I think they are aiming for. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 628	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:38:00 - [29] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: So we loss the Ambush and you top the charts with 1-10 and feel like a hero. If the Logi topped leader board, it's not the Logis fault losing, it's the Assualt and Heavy's fault for being bad at their job.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:39:00 - [30] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So all your heals, nanohive and needles belong to us? Gotta love my logibros out there. Even after 1.8, we won't die. Just the imposters will run away. This will make me happy. Add some skill requirements on passive drop equipment! I fully respect active logi equipment. But that role can be done by others (is m point above). Yes it can but should it be attempted? Well, that's a choice made by the individual. With the new changes upcoming, logibros are going to logi. Something that has been done before but the multitude of people who become logi solely for WP gain will phase out. Or at least thats what I think they are aiming for. 1 skilled scout or assault can drop 1 uplink very strategically. I mostly see logi farming drop equipment. I give props to active equipment - there is some risk and skill involved. But the logi class is full of skill-less noobs and drop farmers. I hope the new changes scare off the unskilled logi types or makes there job redundant.

Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:42:00 - [31] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: So we loss the Ambush and you top the charts with 1-10 and feel like a hero. If the Logi topped leader board, it's not the Logis fault for losing, it's the Assault and Heavy's fault for being bad at their job. You don't see this is because baddies and players with no skill play logi because its easy and makes them feel uber. That is why it needs fixing. I know some skilled logi but they are few and far between.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1842	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:49:00 - [32] - Quote Eh, I can understand for assault squads maybe... But as a heavy, my corp mate proto-logibro is utterly priceless in helping lock a place down. A squad of three heavies and three logies can do some things that six assaults simply can not do (And I am sure vice-versa). shrugs To each their own. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3952	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:49:00 - [33] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: 1. Your suit can carry it to. Like most do anyway carry what you need most. Do not rely on someone else. - Logi CPU/PG allow noobs and baddies to fit what ever they want without having to understand much about proper fitting. It may take a bit more time to fit a good suit (not logi) with equipment. But there is SD you can always switch to full combat. 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. 3. It is rare to be nano injected without dieing instantly because they are going for the 60sp and sometimes even suicide to do it. If you are injected its always the noob injector and they armor rep for more sp or leave you half dead. 4. Remove the logi and share equipment drops = WAY more isk and WP for you because the logi did not suck them all up by farming spawn points. 5. They just think they are some kind gift to the battle field. Like we could not all do it LOL. They defend there place as toping the charts with 1-5. Meanwhile the skilled players role there eyes. Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Pro Tip: Each member of your elite squad can make a copy suit with different equipment. Work a Supply Depot - drop your equipment and switch to your combat suits. Logis are still Force multipliers. 2 Logis and a Heavy will easily top a good squad while reviving teammates, providing ammo and faster respawns into battle... THIS,is the true job of a logistics suit. LOGISTICS. Force multipliers.... Got it? GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 156	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:56:00 - [34] - Quote Logis are still Force multipliers. 2 Logis and a Heavy will easily top a good squad while reviving teammates, providing ammo and faster respawns into battle... THIS,is the true job of a logistics suit. LOGISTICS. Force multipliers.... Got it?[/quote] This requires the same amount of skill as the above idea. But if you lose the heavy your screwed and have to completely reorganise. A group like I have mentioned above cover the bases and spreads out the equipment and damage. Focus kill the repper and your 2 logi and 1 heavy group is complete fail.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3953	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:59:00 - [35] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Logis are still Force multipliers. 2 Logis and a Heavy will easily top a good squad while reviving teammates, providing ammo and faster respawns into battle... THIS,is the true job of a logistics suit. LOGISTICS. Force multipliers.... Got it? This requires the same amount of skill as the above idea. But if you lose the heavy your screwed and have to completely reorganise. A group like I have mentioned above cover the bases and spreads out the equipment and damage. Focus kill the repper and your 2 logi and 1 heavy group is complete fail. [/quote] Yeah because its going to be a cake to kill the reppers while the Sentinel is unloading 450 Six Kin HMG bullets to your face, not to mention after you kill one,you'd probably have to kill the other one in less than 2 secs before the other repper revives him. The Thing is, even if you ''squad strategy'' is a VALID one,it requires the whole 6 man squad to equip different stuff while sticking together at all times, and 2 logis can divide a squ into 2 3 man teams and being equally effective, while covering more ground. Just saying.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2741	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:06:00 - [36] - Quote So much hate for a class that doesn't earn a single point without someone else benefiting...
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 374	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:20:00 - [37] - Quote This thread has amused me and has thus served it's purpose, let it die in peace Cheer up a bit will you (n+ëGùòpâ«Gùò)n+ë:n+Ñn+ƒG£º:n+Ñn+ƒG£º Personal best K/A/D in 1.7 26/5/1
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 215	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:29:00 - [38] - Quote I see what this is about,you're mad you can kill more but a logi bro can still beat you in WP. You surround yourself with mediocre assaults to stoke your ego. Sexy jutsu Time to jaaam!
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2314	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:37:00 - [39] - Quote 3Dollars Too Short wrote: Well then thats one squad I can avoid This. Logi since beta, die hard medic o7 Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2314	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:41:00 - [40] - Quote Combat logi equipment- scanner, hives and uplinks. Medic logi equipment- injector, hives and rep tool. What am I doing wrong? Nothing. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

The Tunski OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 25	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:46:00 - [41] - Quote While this is a fps, it gives you the option of a support role. I know plenty of people who play this game with a shoot second mentality. A good logo is a good logi. A good logi will not pick you up why there is fire being focuses that way. A good logi will help keep you alive. A good logi is running equipment that the rest don't have. It sounds to me that you only play in 6 man squads so each assault or scout suit covers the equipment? Your clueless.... What about people that have bad gun game but enjoy playing? Should they HTFU and git gud? Go play CoD
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 46	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:48:00 - [42] - Quote I'm a logi thats not a slayer and I think this is stupid you have tried to insult the logi and failed and you affected me with WAISTING MY TIME. Caldari Loyalist
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 447	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:57:00 - [43] - Quote The Tunski wrote: While this is a fps, it gives you the option of a support role. I know plenty of people who play this game with a shoot second mentality. A good logo is a good logi. A good logi will not pick you up why there is fire being focuses that way. A good logi will help keep you alive. A good logi is running equipment that the rest don't have. It sounds to me that you only play in 6 man squads so each assault or scout suit covers the equipment? Your clueless.... What about people that have bad gun game but enjoy playing? Should they HTFU and git gud? Go play CoD The bolded is sooooo me. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making Proud Minmatar
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 47	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:05:00 - [44] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? because kdr isnt our objective tryhard Caldari Loyalist
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 893	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:06:00 - [45] - Quote The main flaws in your argument here are boiled down to two things, I'll try breaking them down. 1. KDR is not everything. Sure, it might be useful if you killed a lot of people in ambush but, you're limiting yourself to just one game mode only. Good luck winning a domination or a skirmish by just killing a lot of people. A scout could run uplinks, the assaults nanohives/reptools/nanite injectors, but the problem here is that what if the scout wants to use remote explosives? You've just denied yourself uplinks, or force the assaults to compensate their fits in order to fit uplinks, which they might not have the skills for. This is going to be a hell of a lot more difficult to organize as well. You'll have to call specific players for specific things you need, which might get very complicated, especially on larger maps. You might say that it won't be a problem in ambush matches but, if you all you ever play is ambush, you're a sad person and your argument is automatically invalid. Especially in larger skirmish maps, having a logi come over to you and give you everything you need at once is a lot more easier than organizing three players to meet on a specific point and risk losing their objectives because they weren't being defended because they had to help a buddy. 2. You don't need to fill all your slots. You seem to have the impression here that for maximum effectiveness you need to fill all your slots and use SP on Electronics and Engineering to fit them in favor of improving your modules and equipment through other skills. If you have a dedicated logi in your squad, you could remove the CPU heavy uplinks for better damage mods, armor plates, shield extenders or whatever you want to fit, because you know that your logi is going to have them. You could swap the armor repper in your suit for a codebreaker because you know your logi is going to carry repair tools and keep you alive. To summarize, having one person carry all the needed equipment in favor of reduced damage output helps the entire squad, because now they can fit better modules and weapons to increase their combat effectiveness, they know the logi will have their back if they ever need repairs, ammunition, uplinks or anything. Because these combat oriented players are kept alive and stocked with ammunition by the logi, these combat players in return cover the logi to keep him alive, which helps all of you rack more warpoints and help you win the game. In your given example, your squad is dependent on the squad being strong as a whole, and when one link breaks the entire chain collapses. Your assault using nanohives suddenly dies because he had to sacrifice on his HP and damage output in favor of restocking ammunition. Because your assault with repair tools wasn't stocked with ammunition anymore, he ran out of ammo and died. Then the scout had to sacrifice on his speed mods and codebreakers because he needed to use uplinks, diminishing his role as a speedy infiltrator which then caused his death because he couldn't hack the null cannon in time. You're forced to spawn on just a few uplinks which are soon destroyed, cutting you off from the battlefield. Whoever is left from the squad die because they couldn't be repaired or stocked with ammunition, nor revived. You can't spawn near the battlefield anymore because the uplinks are gone, causing you to lose the objective, and possibly the whole game. As I said before, with a single logi carrying all the needed equipment, you have to do less coordination and you can cover each other's backs more easily, making the entire squad stronger. I sure as hell won't be letting go of my logi buddy in my corp. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 14th
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 589	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:24:00 - [46] - Quote The OP is just another CoD reject who worships at the altar of KDR. Good logis place nm the top 5 in a match all the time...so do good heavys....good assaults...etc... Get better almighty slayer, don't whine about logis
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 61	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:32:00 - [47] - Quote Yea, Logi will be doing everything better tho then anyone else when it comes to equipment, I know i can Rely on 1 Red Devil when it comes to any of my logi needs. Reps? he got it. Ammo? he got that too. Bleeding to death on the floor? He will hook you up with a nanite injector . Doesnt even need to pull a damn trigger and still manages to get 1 or 2 orbitals alone for our squad. Im a commando and I make most of my points off of doing what logi do, but they can carry a bunch of **** unlike me and with 1.8 will be better then me at at least 1 of them. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 61	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:33:00 - [48] - Quote Anyone who sticks as a logi if they take their light weapons away, i respect greatly because you guys are the logi we deserve, not those logi slayer pricks who dont rep my ass when im getting lit up from every side as a heavy Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 174	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:38:00 - [49] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? Because they are busy repping / refilling uplinks / refilling nanohives / reviving people. Choosing to use something to support a team mate instead of the weapon does not make you suck at using the weapon. A good logi allows a slayer to run his or her best suit without worrying about losing a pile of isk, as well as allowing that slayer to stay near the battle without running out of ammo and quickly return if he is taken down. I would be willing to bet that you have not played a single match that had a decent logi in it that you did not use one of their spawn points or run through one of their hives. So for all the logis you have taken advantage of and now try to talk down on. YOU ARE WELCOME. You should try a little harder when trolling maybe it would work out better for you than your super squad who can never flank and will have all their equipment by the supply depot and get it wiped out by orbitals / flux nades.
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Teilka Darkmist 50	Posted - 2014.01.23 07:30:00 - [51] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: 1. Your suit can carry it to. Like most do anyway carry what you need most. Do not rely on someone else. - Logi CPU/PG allow noobs and baddies to fit what ever they want without having to understand much about proper fitting. It may take a bit more time to fit a good suit (not logi) with equipment. But there is SD you can always switch to full combat. 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. 3. It is rare to be nano injected without dieing instantly because they are going for the 60sp and sometimes even suicide to do it. If you are injected its always the noob injector and they armor rep for more sp or leave you half dead. 4. Remove the logi and share equipment drops = WAY more isk and WP for you because the logi did not suck them all up by farming spawn points. 5. They just think they are some kind gift to the battle field. Like we could not all do it LOL. They defend there place as toping the charts with 1-5. Meanwhile the skilled players role there eyes. Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Pro Tip: Each member of your elite squad can make a copy suit with different equipment. Work a Supply Depot - drop your equipment and switch to your combat suits. The whole point of having specialised suits is so that each fitting can..... Oh, what's the word now....... Specialise. An assault suit that's having to keep switching from their weapons to drop a nanohive or a drop uplink is a suit that's having to stop dealing damage, which is what they're designed to do. Or are you just camping one spot and waiting for the enemy to come to you so that everyone can drop their logi less often? As far as I can see, the tactic you're touting is actually reducing each suit's DPS across the whole match which is the opposite of what you claim. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 46	Posted - 2014.01.23 07:59:00 - [52] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? The game isn't about pure killing. Yes a logibro k/d will often suck but its no necessarily bad gungame. Don't always have time to shoot when I'm repping 2 people, scanning and picking people up. Dieing so I can keep my team going is fine by me.
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 363	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:02:00 - [53] - Quote Athena... The more I hear from you, the more I'm convinced you have no idea what you're talking about "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Teilka Darkmist 51	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:19:00 - [54] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? Here's an argument you may understand. Have you considered that if you take a logi YOUR kdr may go up on the k side and down on the d? Because the logi, as long as they haven't read how worthless you think they are, will be repping you and keeping you alive longer. In an ambush match, where clone reserves are essential to conserve, a logi or two may be the difference between a win and a loss. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Smoky Fingers Red Star. 223	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:37:00 - [55] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. Assuming a 6v6 situation 4 suits of choice and 2 logis fitted with the necessary equipment will probably wreck your matchup. What happens when the only injector guy, the only rep, nano , spawn guy , dies. You have no backup and are probably screwed. Logis are still a necessity, there's just newer incentive speccing towards the other classes in 1.8, no need to break down. Oh yeah and how about the heavies are you gonna tell the heavies to look fabulous... Making a post on these forums stating you're drunk implies that you're not drunk or are a total weaksauce drinker.
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 17	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:44:00 - [56] - Quote huh guess this guy would suggest to eve fleets no don't bother with logistical ships.. just carry a bunch of rep drones and do it all yourself. amazing that you think its ok to just take away a play style that some people enjoy.. well while you are at it why not get rid of assaults suits, heavies scouts and all vehicles.. that way everyone can run around in a basic medium suit with only basic gear no weapon damage mods not plates or shield extenders. hmm im thinking with that 90+ percent of players would just have to play the game the way you want it. NOPE... it does not work that way. there is different suits vehicles and gear because unlike most FPS games this game has some depth to it. want to be a slayer and run and gun.. yep can do that in dust want to drive a tank or dropship.. check also available want to be a cloak scout and sneak around and hack objectives and kill snipers yep also there want to be the guy that keeps you team alive and supplied with the ammo they need, repair their armor and all the other things logistical suits do.. yes that's there too dust 514 is not your game... its our game all 45000 of us with accounts. you want to play a distinct way and run without logi.. go right ahead, just remember you do not have the right to say how I play this game or to anyone of the other 45000 people.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1643	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:48:00 - [57] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: 1. Your suit can carry it to. Like most do anyway carry what you need most. Do not rely on someone else. - Logi CPU/PG allow noobs and baddies to fit what ever they want without having to understand much about proper fitting. It may take a bit more time to fit a good suit (not logi) with equipment. But there is SD you can always switch to full combat. 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. 3. It is rare to be nano injected without dieing instantly because they are going for the 60sp and sometimes even suicide to do it. If you are injected its always the noob injector and they armor rep for more sp or leave you half dead. 4. Remove the logi and share equipment drops = WAY more isk and WP for you because the logi did not suck them all up by farming spawn points. 5. They just think they are some kind gift to the battle field. Like we could not all do it LOL. They defend there place as toping the charts with 1-5. Meanwhile the skilled players role there eyes. Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Pro Tip: Each member of your elite squad can make a copy suit with different equipment. Work a Supply Depot - drop your equipment and switch to your combat suits. Interesting but you forget numerous thimgs, as a demo class with a mass driver and remote explosives if I use an assault suit I need everyone else to carry hives, mass driver burns through ammo. Having logistics suitx allows to a degree allows you to focus more on shooting peopls. Finally you came up 5 reasons you don't need a logi, I can come up with 1 reason as to why you'd be better off leaving the assault suit at home. 3 Equipmemt > 1Sidearm Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1076	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:50:00 - [58] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: 1. Your suit can carry it to. Like most do anyway carry what you need most. Do not rely on someone else. - Logi CPU/PG allow noobs and baddies to fit what ever they want without having to understand much about proper fitting. It may take a bit more time to fit a good suit (not logi) with equipment. But there is SD you can always switch to full combat. 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. 3. It is rare to be nano injected without dieing instantly because they are going for the 60sp and sometimes even suicide to do it. If you are injected its always the noob injector and they armor rep for more sp or leave you half dead. 4. Remove the logi and share equipment drops = WAY more isk and WP for you because the logi did not suck them all up by farming spawn points. 5. They just think they are some kind gift to the battle field. Like we could not all do it LOL. They defend there place as toping the charts with 1-5. Meanwhile the skilled players role there eyes. Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Pro Tip: Each member of your elite squad can make a copy suit with different equipment. Work a Supply Depot - drop your equipment and switch to your combat suits. I agree, remove 1 equipment slot from all suits except logistic, thus you have only 1 equipment on scout with the next patch, zero on assaults & heavies haters gonna hate
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1442	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:50:00 - [59] - Quote This reminds of something Regynum said back in the day. Except he made more valid points Fish in a bucket!
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:57:00 - [60] - Quote Heavies have no equipment, thereby making them a bad strategic choice. Losing front line combatants to go run errands to a supply depot is also bad strategy. One logi can go and come back without the squad losing much functionality. A single logi taking 30sec-1min to go and come back is a lot faster than the 3-6minutes it'll take your players to cycle your way through your squad. The PG/CPU cost to high level equipment means you're only going to get standard equipment used as otherwise you're asking people to sacrifice their combat effectiveness. Scanner, Uplink, Nanohive, Repper, Remote explosives, injector. Thats 6 pieces of equipment, a single heavy means one of those needs to be sacrificed. A sniper means another one will likely have to go. A tank or pilot means another is likely gone. Your squad can also never split up to be more than ~100m away from each other. Run your 6 man no logi squad, please, it'll make winning pubs easier. OP is made of fail. Should have his name changed to "Noobslayer No-scope 420" as he's apparently a 1337 player. Troll post is bad.

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1644	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:59:00 - [61] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? Maybe they're too busy actually Repping, reviving, dropping Uplinks/Hives, Scanning, and cover-firing getting Assist Kills to actually care about KDR? So we loss the Ambush and you top the charts with 1-10 and feel like a hero. Or you know you win the ambush despite having 180 deaths in a 80 clone ambush. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 738	Posted - 2014.01.23 09:03:00 - [62] - Quote While a squad of assaults planning equipment could work, you get a lot more bang with six logis planning their 18 combined equipment slots. Redundancy is your friend. And why is there so much hate towards "slayer" logis? I logi and slay, maintain a highly positive KDR, and do everything except revive/repair - uplinks, hives, scanner, REs. I can and do switch to triage logi if the squad needs it, but reviving/repairing is far less difficult than killing :)
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1453	Posted - 2014.01.23 09:04:00 - [63] - Quote Not only is OP against Logis, but it can be inferred that he/she is also against Heavies: seeing as they have no equipment slots. In that respect, I'll assume OP's ideal squad would look something like this: Proto Scout - Uplinks Proto Assault - Scanner Proto Assault - Injectors Proto Assault - Injectors Proto Assault - Hives Proto Assault - Hives This setup would probably net the best results. Two injectors and hives seem necessary. Running one of each is suicide for the squad. The main form of offense would be a direct assault with the addition of some flanking. Now, let's take a look at a squad with a Logi and a Heavy. Proto Logi - Rep Tool, Injectors, Hives, Uplinks Proto Heavy - N/A Proto Scout - Remote Explosives Proto Assault - Scanner Proto Assault -Hives Proto Assault - Injector In my opinion, one Proto Heavy on point defense with a logi backing him/her is more valuable than two extra Proto Assaults. In its optimal range, and within CQ, a Heavy being actively repped has the potential to negate any advancements made by the opposing team whilst still having the Logi as a secondary means of offensive backup. A Proto Scout with REs is more valuable than one running Proto Uplinks as the lower CPU/PG costs enable a better and more optimized fitting. This setup would also enable the scout to function as AV and point defense while still prioritizing flanking as a means of attack. A Proto Logi with a Rep tool is far more valuable than any number of Proto Assaults using Triage Hives as hives are susceptible to destruction via grenades, weapons, and orbitals. Accompanying the Logi are two Assaults who are also capable of reviving and supplying ammo. If I had to choose one squad to join, I'd join the latter. The addition of one Logi would equate to more overall WP gain, thus effectively creating more chances to use orbital strikes.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 766	Posted - 2014.01.23 10:06:00 - [64] - Quote If they're topping the charts then they are doing more to earn orbitals in pubs Even if not in pubs their equipment is being used- therefore what they did contributes to the game. After all just lobbing a hive down in a random location nets 12 pts. A link in a bad place will only net 75pts if your lucky. So their equipment is consistently useful. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
pagl1u M The Rainbow Effect 251	Posted - 2014.01.23 10:57:00 - [65] - Quote Ok, Atena back in the days I used to think like you. I didnt think logis were useless but I used to think: you suck at shooting? Be a logi. Are You a logi? So you suck at shooting. I used to think: Hey, I m a killer, I m better than everyone else. Now I m a Dedicated Logibro and I still have a good kdr. Why? Because I started thinking that a logi can help a team better than everyone else. I started thinking that I could kill quite good even without those dmg modifier and to help my team I could do something different. You are implying, when you say that you dont need a logi, that all logis are idiots and all assaults are killers. Ddo you want to know how I play a lot of matches? I take my six kin repairer (the one that repair 2 mates) and follow two assaults that are with me. They kill everyone because they are good and because I m helping them. If They die I go on, kill who is there and then rivive them. If They need ammo I have them, I scan thei targets to help them, if I think it s better to shoot I can do it too. While I do all this things they just have to brings a compact hive or something else that takes low pg and cpu and they can fit better modules and weapon. In your team everyone have to brings good equipment and so they have to give up something else.
Blaze Ashra DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 142	Posted - 2014.01.23 11:28:00 - [66] - Quote Lol good luck killing the reppers. You best hope they're mini or caldari logies using those cores. P.S. Go hide in your tank some more. ADS Pilot/Amarr Loyalist/Logi/WP Whore
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 2	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:00:00 - [67] - Quote Combined arms wins the day. Logi's improve battlefield mobility, and defense. I also don't understand this quip about them having less firepower. Sure most of them don't carry a sidearm, but last time I played I didn't see suits firing two weapons at once. I play mainly a shotgun scout with REs. My opening move is either a logi hacker (links, REs) or an AR Scout with ADV links. I have multiple logi outfits for different scenarios. Double REs, or links or hives. A logibro lite with Repper. I dabble with other suits to figure out there strengths and weakneses. Really enjoy the scout class. But I can maintain control of an area by using a logi suit to prep it and then a scout suit to stealth around it. I play objective, tactical thinking games. Sounds like the OP is stuck in Ambush mode. Just run, point kill, drool.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3845	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:25:00 - [68] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Does your squad want more isk, WP shared? Does your squad want to compromise a team player for something you can all do? What else will your squad carry for equipment. Most likely they already drop a lot of the same things your logi wasted squad spot does. They just need teamwork and leadership to work those together. I understand. It is not easy - it requires skill - Why are all the logi players running away... Oh skill and not easy scared them out LOL A good logi can make more WP and ISK than your entire squad. Wasted squad spot? Your the one trying to waste 4-6 spots to have the efficiency of 1 person in a Logistics suit. When you spend 14mil SP maxing out your equipment to be as effecient for the team as possible, have to deal with idoit blueberries wasting your 'services'; and have risk your life trying to save people in the middle of a firefight, then you can go ranting and crying about how a Logi doing their job is more rewarding than a mindless AR scrub killing things. Point on this doll to where the logi touched you. Admittance of the problem is the first step to recovery. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1490	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:32:00 - [69] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Last time i checked, running a Logistics suit gives the wearer no unsurmountable gap in performance over running an assault suit, it only gives them more power. In PC, even the players Grandmothers run Logistics suits, its not about maximising your squad setup with who carries this or that, its all about maximizing each player so the gaps overlap and works better together. Having multiple people carry multiple caches of the same equipment is better then having the one guy with the needle die...and all belly up goes your squad, because he was the centerpoint of reviving. Though having said that, most of the Pro players don't need a squad to do what needs to be done, if you absolutely need a min-maxed out squad to perform well, you might not be that good. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Jakar Umbra Altyr Initiative 478	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:48:00 - [70] - Quote As a Logi, I took the time to read this entire thread and have to say I am beyond amused. I'm tempted to elaborate on the flaws in your design, such as time management, efficiency (or lack there of) and just sheer stupidity but everyone else has already done that. Personally I just ask that my assaults carry injectors and scanners, so that I can focus on reviving, repping and restoring ammo. With that said, good luck to you. Hope your nanite injector guy doesn't die. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 01/21/2014.

Lorhak Gannarsein 1307	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:52:00 - [71] - Quote My logi has a rack of proto equips and double damage mods on a proto gun. Your argument is invalid. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
50LD13R Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 13	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:10:00 - [72] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: So we loss the Ambush and you top the charts with 1-10 and feel like a hero. If the Logi topped leader board, it's not the Logis fault for losing, it's the Assault and Heavy's fault for being bad at their job. You don't see this is because baddies and players with no skill play logi because its easy and makes them feel uber. That is why it needs fixing. I know some skilled logi but they are few and far between. You die 10 times in the scenario above and still had an excuse to be logi /props to you sir. You were not only 1/5 the total clone lose you most lily farmed spawn points droping them in bad places causing spawn deaths. So I am hearing logi say we are the reason you win and you are the reason you lose. Logi is so important but its not logis fault if the team loses. Which means they are not as important as the other classes who are winning the match for them. Sir, your logic is dizzying. It's interesting though to see you go back and forth "logis are unskilled easy mode players" then "there are skilled logis, I'm just saying anyone else can do the job". At least have the courage of your convictions. I honestly think less of myself now for justifying your divisive and poorly thought out rant with a reply. Good day!
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 261	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:15:00 - [73] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: 1. Your suit can carry it to. Like most do anyway carry what you need most. Do not rely on someone else. - Logi CPU/PG allow noobs and baddies to fit what ever they want without having to understand much about proper fitting. It may take a bit more time to fit a good suit (not logi) with equipment. But there is SD you can always switch to full combat. 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. 3. It is rare to be nano injected without dieing instantly because they are going for the 60sp and sometimes even suicide to do it. If you are injected its always the noob injector and they armor rep for more sp or leave you half dead. 4. Remove the logi and share equipment drops = WAY more isk and WP for you because the logi did not suck them all up by farming spawn points. 5. They just think they are some kind gift to the battle field. Like we could not all do it LOL. They defend there place as toping the charts with 1-5. Meanwhile the skilled players role there eyes. Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Pro Tip: Each member of your elite squad can make a copy suit with different equipment. Work a Supply Depot - drop your equipment and switch to your combat suits. I absolutely love running in squads like this. Assaults should ALWAYS be able to cover the role of a logi in a full assault squad. My alt is an Assault and I have two proto equipment I'll switch between to make up for whatever the other assault/logis aren't carrying. That equipment slot is there for a reason, I wish more assaults would use it. Although I absolutely disagree with the statement of removing Logistic suits, as my main is a logi and is my favorite class to play. If these "skilled players" you speak of aren't at the top of the leader board they aren't very "skilled" now are they?
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 164	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:00:00 - [74] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: 1. Your suit can carry it to. Like most do anyway carry what you need most. Do not rely on someone else. - Logi CPU/PG allow noobs and baddies to fit what ever they want without having to understand much about proper fitting. It may take a bit more time to fit a good suit (not logi) with equipment. But there is SD you can always switch to full combat. 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. 3. It is rare to be nano injected without dieing instantly because they are going for the 60sp and sometimes even suicide to do it. If you are injected its always the noob injector and they armor rep for more sp or leave you half dead. 4. Remove the logi and share equipment drops = WAY more isk and WP for you because the logi did not suck them all up by farming spawn points. 5. They just think they are some kind gift to the battle field. Like we could not all do it LOL. They defend there place as toping the charts with 1-5. Meanwhile the skilled players role there eyes. Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Pro Tip: Each member of your elite squad can make a copy suit with different equipment. Work a Supply Depot - drop your equipment and switch to your combat suits. I absolutely love running in squads like this. Assaults should ALWAYS be able to cover the role of a logi in a full assault squad. My alt is an Assault and I have two proto equipment I'll switch between to make up for whatever the other assault/logis aren't carrying. That equipment slot is there for a reason, I wish more assaults would use it. Although I absolutely disagree with the statement of removing Logistic suits, as my main is a logi and is my favorite class to play. If these "skilled players" you speak of aren't at the top of the leader board they aren't very "skilled" now are they? 110% agree
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 164	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:01:00 - [75] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: m twiggz wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: 1. Your suit can carry it to. Like most do anyway carry what you need most. Do not rely on someone else. - Logi CPU/PG allow noobs and baddies to fit what ever they want without having to understand much about proper fitting. It may take a bit more time to fit a good suit (not logi) with equipment. But there is SD you can always switch to full combat. 2. No logi suits in my squad. Get together with 3-6 others and plan it out. Assault carry Nano, Scout carry spawn point. Each carry a needed piece of equipment for the group. You will eliminate the need for a logi and increase the over all armor/shields and damage your squad can put out. 3. It is rare to be nano injected without dieing instantly because they are going for the 60sp and sometimes even suicide to do it. If you are injected its always the noob injector and they armor rep for more sp or leave you half dead. 4. Remove the logi and share equipment drops = WAY more isk and WP for you because the logi did not suck them all up by farming spawn points. 5. They just think they are some kind gift to the battle field. Like we could not all do it LOL. They defend there place as toping the charts with 1-5. Meanwhile the skilled players role there eyes. Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Pro Tip: Each member of your elite squad can make a copy suit with different equipment. Work a Supply Depot - drop your equipment and switch to your combat suits. I absolutely love running in squads like this. Assaults should ALWAYS be able to cover the role of a logi in a full assault squad. My alt is an Assault and I have two proto equipment I'll switch between to make up for whatever the other assault/logis aren't carrying. That equipment slot is there for a reason, I wish more assaults would use it. Although I absolutely disagree with the statement of removing Logistic suits, as my main is a logi and is my favorite class to play. If these "skilled players" you speak of aren't at the top of the leader board they aren't very "skilled" now are they? 110% agree -I know there is skill in active equipment. Its the spawn farmers I am targeting as having no skill.
Teilka Darkmist 55	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:10:00 - [76] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: m twiggz wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Snipped to make the fail easier to see Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Snipped to make the fail easier to see Snipped to make the fail easier to see Although I absolutely disagree with the statement of removing Logistic suits, as my main is a logi and is my favorite class to play. If these "skilled players" you speak of aren't at the top of the leader board they aren't very "skilled" now are they? 110% agree So you 110% agree that logi suits shouldn't be removed whilst also talking about eliminating the need and role of logi suits...... When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 164	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:16:00 - [77] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: m twiggz wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Snipped to make the fail easier to see Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Snipped to make the fail easier to see Snipped to make the fail easier to see Although I absolutely disagree with the statement of removing Logistic suits, as my main is a logi and is my favorite class to play. If these "skilled players" you speak of aren't at the top of the leader board they aren't very "skilled" now are they? 110% agree So you 110% agree that logi suits shouldn't be removed whilst also talking about eliminating the need and role of logi suits...... As we already mentioned - there is changing coming shortly to eliminate the issues anyway.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 77	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:35:00 - [78] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? So the slayer logi is merely a mythical beast Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Teilka Darkmist 56	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:41:00 - [79] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: m twiggz wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Snipped to make the fail easier to see Good teamwork eliminates the need and role of LOGI. Share it out and bring more punch to the battle. Having a secondary job on the battlefield did not hurt any soldier. It promotes teamwork and helps keep the team together. Snipped to make the fail easier to see Snipped to make the fail easier to see Although I absolutely disagree with the statement of removing Logistic suits, as my main is a logi and is my favorite class to play. If these "skilled players" you speak of aren't at the top of the leader board they aren't very "skilled" now are they? 110% agree So you 110% agree that logi suits shouldn't be removed whilst also talking about eliminating the need and role of logi suits...... As we already mentioned - there is changing coming shortly to eliminate the issues anyway. What does that have to do with you contradicting yourself less than 20 hours after your original post? Has your opinion changed that much in so short a time? When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 55	Posted - 2014.01.24 03:17:00 - [80] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: Anyone who sticks as a logi if they take their light weapons away, i respect greatly because you guys are the logi we deserve, not those logi slayer pricks who dont rep my ass when im getting lit up from every side as a heavy I'm glad that I could help. Caldari Loyalist

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 3130	Posted - 2014.01.24 03:19:00 - [81] - Quote I see Athena hasn't changed a bit over his/her absence Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando? Forum warrior 3
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 166	Posted - 2014.01.24 05:20:00 - [82] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I see Athena hasn't changed a bit over his/her absence I have fans <3
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 166	Posted - 2014.01.24 05:21:00 - [83] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Funny how it takes you a whole squad to do what 2 logis can do, with 4 others besides. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. What should others carry in there equipment slot then? 2 logi means you just lost 1/3 of your over all stopping power. A Assault with long range weapons can carry reps and follow heavies for greater effect. Skill is key unlike the other option. I can tell a lot of people here don't play PC lol - they have not seen skilled players it seems. Funny. I thought Logistics could carry weapons as well. Funny why do they go negative kdr topping the charts... If they have a weapon why do they suck at using it? So the slayer logi is merely a mythical beast very very soon lol if you have not been keeping track
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2014.01.24 06:10:00 - [84] - Quote I...disagree with the OP. Sort of. What you're saying, essentially, is true IMO. The role of a Logi could be spread out amongst a squad. But, I also agree with those who have posted on here that to spread the gear and attention that a dedicated Logi has would actually be detrimental to the performance of the squad. It really does strike me as being something that "looks better on paper", especially, as others have pointed out, once the slayers start dropping their damage mods/extra shield or armor plates/or their Duvolles and Proto RR to fit anything besides militia equipment. That having been said though, I, unlike most respondents here, would actually be interested in squadding with you in this sort of configuration. What you are describing is a cohesive, communicating strike squad. Exactly the type of squad I enjoy. And so you know, I've been using a repper in the equipment slot of my STARTER [MEDIC] suit ever since open beta ended. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
hirise The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2014.01.24 06:13:00 - [85] - Quote Tell me. are you going to be the one skilling in to the core focused repair tool to heal my 1045 armor as a heavy? militia rail gun? i'll take it in the face and still be alive (1700 ehp takes me to 0 ehp though) just love that fealing


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