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Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1781	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:08:00 - [1] - Quote So sometime in last march we decided to have a planet fight club. The intention was for big corps to have training of their newer member. This was because the grudge match style we used at the time was going away. Fast forward to PC time and once the initial rush was over we looked at PFC for different purpose. Letting newer or smaller corps into PC world. Back then you have a few power blocks that just removed the little guy first. So we changed the purpose of PFC to let small or new corps get their feet wet along with training corps for the big boys. That said, 6 months later there just isn't a point anymore. PFC is last year, shut up and go play pubs if you cant hold a district. There just isn't room for renters in dust anymore. So as the saying goes "Get Good or Hire Mercs Who Are" [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1179	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:31:00 - [2] - Quote PFC is perhaps the only place left in PC where fun fights are being had. And since you've stated in IRC that you think CCP should just turn Planetary Conquest off, I'm not sure you're really in a position to suggest how PC should operate. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Sentient Archon 1405	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:39:00 - [3] - Quote PFC should go man! And so should PC! PFC should be replaced by corp contracts and PC should be replaced by openning up null sec. The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 841	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:50:00 - [4] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: PFC should go man! And so should PC! PFC should be replaced by corp contracts and PC should be replaced by openning up null sec. Corp Battles. No ringers and Equipment spamming QQ
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1785	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:53:00 - [5] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: PFC is perhaps the only place left in PC where fun fights are being had. And since you've stated in IRC that you think CCP should just turn Planetary Conquest off, I'm not sure you're really in a position to suggest how PC should operate. Excuse me? I look out for the community in a realistic fashion not just show up to promote my cpm1 platform. Please show me where you did the same before elections were announced. PFC worked to start because we had all the big players support. None of them care now. There is no point in trying to police this when no one wants too. You are quick to dispense your opinion when you have no practical knowledge of what it takes to make it actually happen. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1183	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:00:00 - [6] - Quote District locking aside, the community, working together, can police PFC. A lot of upsets have, in fact, been caused by such-and-such corp who thinks it's the best this week trying to "take over" ruling PFC, rather than working with the community. I think it's adorable you think you're fit to judge my posting habits. Or assume that forum posts are the sum of my contributions to the game. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1785	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:08:00 - [7] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: District locking aside, the community, working together, can police PFC. A lot of upsets have, in fact, been caused by such-and-such corp who thinks it's the best this week trying to "take over" ruling PFC, rather than working with the community. I think it's adorable you think you're fit to judge my posting habits. Or assume that forum posts are the sum of my contributions to the game. I absolutely get to judge your utter lack of cv when it comes to dust. All you got is a bullshit theory and uppity attitude about dust when you haven't doesn't **** for the community or game. Once again you deflect you will never will answer when asked about what you have done for the community and game. I may just have to asked this in all your threads from now on till you answer [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1183	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:10:00 - [8] - Quote The very question was asked and answered. Meanwhile, what have you done, convince droves of people on IRC that the game is terrible, and they should quit? Given the number of times you've "quit the game", that will truly be your legacy. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1950	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:16:00 - [9] - Quote @ Soraya Xel I would probably STFU now, if you ever wanna be CPM1 Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
843-BANE BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 449	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:17:00 - [10] - Quote Join me in my crusade, brothers and sisters, to resurrect corp battles! Bump the thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137436 Sign the petition https://www.change.org/petitions/ccp-add-corp-battles-back-to-dust BRING BACK CORP BATTLES SIGN THE PEITION HERE

Green Living 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1164	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:18:00 - [11] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: @ Soraya Xel I would probably STFU now, if you ever wanna be CPM1 Dead game politics is clearly serious business.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2299	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:34:00 - [12] - Quote This really sucks, most guys in my corp are about 4 months old and they are truly ready to start pc or pc training. This is something that actually pisses me off but that's on ccp for not giving us much choice. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2052	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:38:00 - [13] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: PFC should go man! And so should PC! PFC should be replaced by corp contracts and PC should be replaced by openning up null sec. AGREED! Also Beers you shouldn't care the game's dead as you've stated +1k times, anyways PFC's dead already RA's enforcement, however noble is not working... NF is probably the only group who could do a proper job but NF is not that active in DUST... PC is broke PFC only really works if the enforcers can/will enforce RA can't v NF, NF just won't... ReG your forum PvP is getting weak... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1951	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:41:00 - [14] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: PFC should go man! And so should PC! PFC should be replaced by corp contracts and PC should be replaced by openning up null sec. AGREED! Also Beers you shouldn't care the game's dead as you've stated +1k times, anyways PFC's dead already RA's enforcement, however noble is not working... NF is probably the only group who could do a proper job but NF is not that active in DUST... PC is broke PFC only really works if the enforcers can/will enforce RA can't v NF, NF just won't... ReG your forum PvP is getting weak... Suck me blue Killar-12 Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 171	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:50:00 - [15] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: PFC should go man! And so should PC! PFC should be replaced by corp contracts and PC should be replaced by openning up null sec. Hell...yes.
843-BANE BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 454	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:51:00 - [16] - Quote excillon wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: PFC should go man! And so should PC! PFC should be replaced by corp contracts and PC should be replaced by openning up null sec. Hell...yes. If you like that, come find my thread in Feedback/requests and bump it! BRING BACK CORP BATTLES SIGN THE PEITION HERE
VIRDJINN Rampage Diaper Rash. 15	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:52:00 - [17] - Quote but but I lost my Vir.... nevermind I failed English as a 2nd Language and wear a seatbelt on the shortbus. don't laugh.. I only have 1 eye
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2053	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:59:00 - [18] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: PFC should go man! And so should PC! PFC should be replaced by corp contracts and PC should be replaced by openning up null sec. AGREED! Also Beers you shouldn't care the game's dead as you've stated +1k times, anyways PFC's dead already RA's enforcement, however noble is not working... NF is probably the only group who could do a proper job but NF is not that active in DUST... PC is broke PFC only really works if the enforcers can/will enforce RA can't v NF, NF just won't... ReG your forum PvP is getting weak... Honk! Honk! now your confusing me... Rampage quit hacking ReG's PSN... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1788	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:24:00 - [19] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The very question was asked and answered. Meanwhile, what have you done, convince droves of people on IRC that the game is terrible, and they should quit? Given the number of times you've "quit the game", that will truly be your legacy. You still haven't shown what you have done for the community. All I know of you is you bought a planet in PC and lost it just as fast. You have nothing to offer the community as proof to your honest attempt to improve the game other that some bullshit platform. Everyone can see you dont answer the question you just try to deflect. This isn't going away you cant just run and hide from having no dust cv. Keep posting i'll make sure to ask you about your previous contributions to the community as often as possible. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 681	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:37:00 - [20] - Quote Soraya, I'm going to translate for Free Beers, because I honestly see where he's coming from. PFC does need to go, mainly because the people who would've actively policed it get nothing but hate from the community in general. A prime example I've actually been a part of is the one concerning Subsonic Synthesics and Subdreddit. Back in PX1's policing days, which lasted 2 or three days, Subsonic snagged a territory from Subdreddit on PFC, and we were watching that district beforehand, they had it for more than at least 3 days. Then PX1 started doing it's job and started working to kick Subsonic out of PFC. Which started some big huge crying debate on Subsonics side basically saying it was an accident and they were returning the district. Mike Ruan decided that he wouldn't let it slide. what then happened during whole incident was we were policing with the Generals at the time, and Subsonic decided to tattle on us, and it got into a huge debate between PX1 and Generals, comparable to that of a child trying to pit his/her parents against each other. What really ticked me off about the incident was I was actually supporting Subsonic and tried to convince mike to let it slide. He didn't however, and nowadays, all I've seen Subsonic do is whine and complain about Pradox, when we were just trying to do our jobs. Then you have the fine people who say they would police it, but do absolutely nothing. Honestly, AE is the only example I can think of. Proof Soldiers of Blood had a district Red Scorpion Latinos took their district by force, and I know because we were watching that one also. To.... Flatlines Bottom line, if you're not satisfied with how people are trying to keep PFC running, try doing yourself. You'll hate it as much as we do. Phew, boy I went on a rant, I feel old now. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!

Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1789	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:19:00 - [21] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Soraya, I'm going to translate for Free Beers, because I honestly see where he's coming from. PFC does need to go, mainly because the people who would've actively policed it get nothing but hate from the community in general. A prime example I've actually been a part of is the one concerning Subsonic Synthesics and Subdreddit. Back in PX1's policing days, which lasted 2 or three days, Subsonic snagged a territory from Subdreddit on PFC, and we were watching that district beforehand, they had it for more than at least 3 days. Then PX1 started doing it's job and started working to kick Subsonic out of PFC. Which started some big huge crying debate on Subsonics side basically saying it was an accident and they were returning the district. Mike Ruan decided that he wouldn't let it slide. what then happened during whole incident was we were policing with the Generals at the time, and Subsonic decided to tattle on us, and it got into a huge debate between PX1 and Generals, comparable to that of a child trying to pit his/her parents against each other. What really ticked me off about the incident was I was actually supporting Subsonic and tried to convince mike to let it slide. He didn't however, and nowadays, all I've seen Subsonic do is whine and complain about Pradox, when we were just trying to do our jobs. Then you have the fine people who say they would police it, but do absolutely nothing. Honestly, AE is the only example I can think of. Proof Soldiers of Blood had a district Red Scorpion Latinos took their district by force, and I know because we were watching that one also. To.... Flatlines Bottom line, if you're not satisfied with how people are trying to keep PFC running, try doing yourself. You'll hate it as much as we do. Phew, boy I went on a rant, I feel old now. PFC only worked when all the big players supported it. The fear of being smashed by any of them is what allowed PFC to work. Now the idea of actually having to smash people. This is what Soraya and many otheres just dont understand when it comes to how this community ACTUALLY works. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Trenix Keltron Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 33	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:36:00 - [22] - Quote So, coming from the vets and the experienced players of PC, PC is dead? So its not worth it for newer corporations? I'm concerned because my corpmates are for CalFW but I'm sure that members would like to get a foot in PC. It's the second most asked question with new recruits. So is it dead? OUKH corporation recruitment active. Initiate enlistment protocols. The future is now
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1789	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:57:00 - [23] - Quote Trenix Keltron wrote: So, coming from the vets and the experienced players of PC, PC is dead? So its not worth it for newer corporations? I'm concerned because my corpmates are for CalFW but I'm sure that members would like to get a foot in PC. It's the second most asked question with new recruits. So is it dead? So the real answer is depends. The political nature of the PC world right now isn't good for new corps at all. Honestly, in my heart i would hope that ccp would give corp contracts and team deploy for FW as soon as possible. I really think its a better way to go in the short term. I think it would help the newer and less exp players and corps would do better in fw. As for your ambitions of PC life I would find political buddies first and dont put your timer at a stupid time incase you need to hire mercs. Best of luck [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Trenix Keltron Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 34	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:20:00 - [24] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Trenix Keltron wrote: So, coming from the vets and the experienced players of PC, PC is dead? So its not worth it for newer corporations? I'm concerned because my corpmates are for CalFW but I'm sure that members would like to get a foot in PC. It's the second most asked question with new recruits. So is it dead? So the real answer is depends. The political nature of the PC world right now isn't good for new corps at all. Honestly, in my heart i would hope that ccp would give corp contracts and team deploy for FW as soon as possible. I really think its a better way to go in the short term. I think it would help the newer and less exp players and corps would do better in fw. As for your ambitions of PC life I would find political buddies first and dont put your timer at a stupid time incase you need to hire mercs. Best of luck Thanks for your response. From my time lurking in the War Room, I have noticed PC and politics go hand in hand. I rather much set up a match and fight. I hope those political buddies aren't tools. +1 for team deploy. OUKH corporation recruitment active. Initiate enlistment protocols. The future is now
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2054	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:24:00 - [25] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Soraya, I'm going to translate for Free Beers, because I honestly see where he's coming from. PFC does need to go, mainly because the people who would've actively policed it get nothing but hate from the community in general. A prime example I've actually been a part of is the one concerning Subsonic Synthesics and Subdreddit. Back in PX1's policing days, which lasted 2 or three days, Subsonic snagged a territory from Subdreddit on PFC, and we were watching that district beforehand, they had it for more than at least 3 days. Then PX1 started doing it's job and started working to kick Subsonic out of PFC. Which started some big huge crying debate on Subsonics side basically saying it was an accident and they were returning the district. Mike Ruan decided that he wouldn't let it slide. what then happened during whole incident was we were policing with the Generals at the time, and Subsonic decided to tattle on us, and it got into a huge debate between PX1 and Generals, comparable to that of a child trying to pit his/her parents against each other. What really ticked me off about the incident was I was actually supporting Subsonic and tried to convince mike to let it slide. He didn't however, and nowadays, all I've seen Subsonic do is whine and complain about Pradox, when we were just trying to do our jobs. Then you have the fine people who say they would police it, but do absolutely nothing. Honestly, AE is the only example I can think of. Proof Soldiers of Blood had a district Red Scorpion Latinos took their district by force, and I know because we were watching that one also. To.... Flatlines Bottom line, if you're not satisfied with how people are trying to keep PFC running, try doing yourself. You'll hate it as much as we do. Phew, boy I went on a rant, I feel old now. PFC only worked when all the big players supported it. The fear of being smashed by any of them is what allowed PFC to work. Now the idea of actually having to smash people. This is what Soraya and many otheres just dont understand when it comes to how this community ACTUALLY works. You do understand that if you said it like Derrith nobody would have bitched... how you said it was... confrontational. PFC can work as it has but killing PFC would force CCP to bring CB's or NF could police PFC or even just be the hand and let another party doing investigations... as some of us use our PFC districts Regarding Soraya I feel the need to defend him here as he's a corpmate... He's done thing's to help... he's not nessecarily the face of operations but then again he doesn't sit in IRC bitching all day... he's ran an alliance, he's made the first district tracker http://www.dust-gents.com/districts.php, he's helped with thunderdome. You've ran IE which... no longer exists. you propose killing your other creation (even though It could be fixed instead). Overall I'd rather see CB's return but PFC CAN be fixed it requires work... both fighting men and law men. Hell get DDB to investigate and NF to enforce... but... that won't happen or NF could not hire out on PFC (Wouldn't be good PR Imps helping the community because good players couldn't be good businessmen) and locked districts could be removed from PFCwhen unlocked A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1791	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:43:00 - [26] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Free Beers wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Soraya, I'm going to translate for Free Beers, because I honestly see where he's coming from. PFC does need to go, mainly because the people who would've actively policed it get nothing but hate from the community in general. A prime example I've actually been a part of is the one concerning Subsonic Synthesics and Subdreddit. Back in PX1's policing days, which lasted 2 or three days, Subsonic snagged a territory from Subdreddit on PFC, and we were watching that district beforehand, they had it for more than at least 3 days. Then PX1 started doing it's job and started working to kick Subsonic out of PFC. Which started some big huge crying debate on Subsonics side basically saying it was an accident and they were returning the district. Mike Ruan decided that he wouldn't let it slide. what then happened during whole incident was we were policing with the Generals at the time, and Subsonic decided to tattle on us, and it got into a huge debate between PX1 and Generals, comparable to that of a child trying to pit his/her parents against each other. What really ticked me off about the incident was I was actually supporting Subsonic and tried to convince mike to let it slide. He didn't however, and nowadays, all I've seen Subsonic do is whine and complain about Pradox, when we were just trying to do our jobs. Then you have the fine people who say they would police it, but do absolutely nothing. Honestly, AE is the only example I can think of. Proof Soldiers of Blood had a district Red Scorpion Latinos took their district by force, and I know because we were watching that one also. To.... Flatlines Bottom line, if you're not satisfied with how people are trying to keep PFC running, try doing yourself. You'll hate it as much as we do. Phew, boy I went on a rant, I feel old now. PFC only worked when all the big players supported it. The fear of being smashed by any of them is what allowed PFC to work. Now the idea of actually having to smash people. This is what Soraya and many otheres just dont understand when it comes to how this community ACTUALLY works. You do understand that if you said it like Derrith nobody would have bitched... how you said it was... confrontational. PFC can work as it has but killing PFC would force CCP to bring CB's or NF could police PFC or even just be the hand and let another party doing investigations... as some of us use our PFC districts Regarding Soraya I feel the need to defend him here as he's a corpmate... He's done thing's to help... he's not nessecarily the face of operations but then again he doesn't sit in IRC bitching all day... he's ran an alliance, he's made the first district tracker http://www.dust-gents.com/districts.php, he's helped with thunderdome. You've ran IE which... no longer exists. you propose killing your other creation (even though It could be fixed instead). Overall I'd rather see CB's return but PFC CAN be fixed it requires work... both fighting men and law men. Hell get DDB to investigate and NF to enforce... but... that won't happen or NF could not hire out on PFC (Wouldn't be good PR Imps helping the community because good players couldn't be good businessmen) and locked districts could be removed from PFCwhen unlocked Soraya doesn't need a fanboi Killar let him fight his own battles which he tends to just deflect and hide. Also your history is off a bit. I help found imps, impswarm, IE, and NF. You ever try to manage bout 100 irrational, illogical, self absorbed elitist fps nerds? Come at me when you have. Oh and you have to win 98% of your matches while doing it. Don't even try to compare what I was a part of to an alliance that has to buy a districts to a group that beat dust. smh That said, no one wants to police PFC. Why dont you offer to do it. If people break your rules you remove them. Why the **** do you think its someone else responsibility? It's all on you Ill even publicly back you. How about it? [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1196	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:54:00 - [27] - Quote Beers, I don't need to fight you. I answered the question, I never evaded it, but this topic has nothing to do with it. I answered it where it was appropriate to answer. Not only did I not avoid the question, but if you look at my posting history, I actually encouraged the person in question to ask the question of CPM candidates. But rather than look at that, you decided to try and act like you knew everything. By the way, ReGnYuM, I'm not going to shut up every time someone says "Oh God, you had better stop talking if you want to be CPM". I'm not playing a political game. I put my name in, because I believe I can make a difference. If such and such thinks Beers is right, they won't vote for me, I'm fine with that. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Sentient Archon 1410	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:21:00 - [28] - Quote Free Beers wrote: PFC worked to start because we had all the big players support. None of them care now. This! You wont find me, Kain or anyone else sponsoring events out of our own pockets to promote this game anymoar. I spent over $200 of my own money giving out gift cards and merc packs to tourney winners and participants. I am pretty sure the $$$$ Kain Spero has spent promoting this game is much more than what I spent. And there are few others who spent money out of their own pockets to promote this game (which we saw great potential in). And what did we get in return;- a whole bunch-o-permabans and CCP giving a rats ass about the valueable feedback we provided. Things that we spoke of months ago are now being implemented now years after we gave feedback. Whats worse was the lack of an acknowledgement. PFC and PC has to die and not just die. It has to die a horrible death... something to the tune of strangling a baby rabbit with barded wire while drowning it in molten lava. The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 683	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:31:00 - [29] - Quote IIUC PFC was started in order for nobody to claim the economic dynamo of the pocket supporting Odd as the frontline bastion. The last alliance standing will naturally look into it, as nothing in MH can project force economically past Odd.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 683	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:37:00 - [30] - Quote nvm

NobIesse Oblige Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 64	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:39:00 - [31] - Quote If I was Soraya I'd have just take a seat right about after that first post.
CUBS UNbanned Alt 55	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:46:00 - [32] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Free Beers wrote: PFC worked to start because we had all the big players support. None of them care now. This! You wont find me, Kain or anyone else sponsoring events out of our own pockets to promote this game anymoar. I spent over $200 of my own money giving out gift cards and merc packs to tourney winners and participants. I am pretty sure the $$$$ Kain Spero has spent promoting this game is much more than what I spent. And there are few others who spent money out of their own pockets to promote this game (which we saw great potential in). And what did we get in return;- a whole bunch-o-permabans and CCP giving a rats ass about the valueable feedback we provided. Things that we spoke of months ago are now being implemented now years after we gave feedback. Whats worse was the lack of an acknowledgement. PFC and PC has to die and not just die. It has to die a horrible death... something to the tune of strangling a baby rabbit with barded wire while drowning it in molten lava. still thankful for that promoting.. always came at a time that really did leave a positive mark on the game, regardless of what transpired down the road from them. Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
CUBS UNbanned Alt 58	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:52:00 - [33] - Quote As for the new corps that want into PC... we HAD this back in the day.. the 'indie corp' planet which worked great for quite a while, but ultimately fizzled for the same reason the light is flickering in Oddeluf u need to police it, and if you don't have a team that can and WILL enforce things, the concept is ultimately doomed. this doesn't even account for the meta bickering that happens with every little thing that happens. the smaller, lesser skilled corp that could be kicked out on a whim by the top crews, well those seem to be the ones that have always been the most vocal, thinking they can cry to the community which will ultimately save their hides, and districts. Ive seen PFC from its inception by NF, its full implementation by Eon and Cronos and all the big boys, to its policing by TEAM, AE and various others over time. EVERY STEP OF THE WAY... people QQ over it. put yourself in our shoes for a moment.. the shoes of every single player and corp that enforced rules. u complain about the rules, u complain about alts, u complain about ringers, but all u want is to hold a district and be a part of PC. yes some have used PFC as intended.. that is a VERY small # over the course of time everyone has an opinion, little of which is unified in the community, and thus leads to the concept unraveling.. Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
CUBS UNbanned Alt 58	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:56:00 - [34] - Quote could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure. Could NF or someone police it? sure WILL this happen? the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary: Is it profitable? district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets. Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it. #TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4476	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:06:00 - [35] - Quote It really comes down to the locking of the districts no one can police a corp if it can't be attacked. I personally always wanted to see it succeed but it is a head ache for any corp that wants to run it.
CUBS UNbanned Alt 60	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:10:00 - [36] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: It really comes down to the locking of the districts no one can police a corp if it can't be attacked. I personally always wanted to see it succeed but it is a head ache for any corp that wants to run it. true, however there are ways around everything, district locking is not an infallible mechanic Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2067	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:11:00 - [37] - Quote CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: It really comes down to the locking of the districts no one can police a corp if it can't be attacked. I personally always wanted to see it succeed but it is a head ache for any corp that wants to run it. true, however there are ways around everything, district locking is not an infallible mechanic A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
CUBS UNbanned Alt 60	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:13:00 - [38] - Quote and if you don't believe me... contact ERA for your district needs/vendetta toward locking cowards/delinquent bills/mistreating your sister etc. We specialize and pride ourselves in being the prime competition to the 'Make-A-Wish' foundation and for the right price, damn near anything is possible Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 687	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:15:00 - [39] - Quote CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote: could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure. Could NF or someone police it? sure WILL this happen? the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary: Is it profitable? district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets. Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it. #TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
Bloodthirsty Heathen Talledos Inc 28	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:20:00 - [40] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote: could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure. Could NF or someone police it? sure WILL this happen? the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary: Is it profitable? district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets. Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it. #TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me. Your signature ^

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 687	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:35:00 - [41] - Quote Bloodthirsty Heathen wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote: could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure. Could NF or someone police it? sure WILL this happen? the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary: Is it profitable? district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets. Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it. #TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me. Your signature ^ Pretty cool huh? beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2067	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:17:00 - [42] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Bloodthirsty Heathen wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote: could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure. Could NF or someone police it? sure WILL this happen? the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary: Is it profitable? district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets. Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it. #TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me. Your signature ^ Pretty cool huh? Hmm it gives me an Idea... the Sig and the Post... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 687	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:43:00 - [43] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Bloodthirsty Heathen wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote: could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure. Could NF or someone police it? sure WILL this happen? the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary: Is it profitable? district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets. Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it. #TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me. Your signature ^ Pretty cool huh? Hmm it gives me an Idea... the Sig and the Post... I kind of want to know what that plan is beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2068	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:17:00 - [44] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Bloodthirsty Heathen wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me. Your signature ^ Pretty cool huh? Hmm it gives me an Idea... the Sig and the Post... I kind of want to know what that plan is If I remeber I'll make a thread later. A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
ANON Illuminati Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 542	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:58:00 - [45] - Quote Free beers: i hate u so much. but at the same time i love you dearly. fukc PFC to the fullest. by the way we had a word spat once where we exchanged mean hateful things to one another only to come to the same agreement that we were both troling one another. so cheers i really dont hate u. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
MoonEagle A Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 103	Posted - 2014.01.24 15:47:00 - [46] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Soraya, I'm going to translate for Free Beers, because I honestly see where he's coming from. PFC does need to go, mainly because the people who would've actively policed it get nothing but hate from the community in general. A prime example I've actually been a part of is the one concerning Subsonic Synthesics and Subdreddit. Back in PX1's policing days, which lasted 2 or three days, Subsonic snagged a territory from Subdreddit on PFC, and we were watching that district beforehand, they had it for more than at least 3 days. Then PX1 started doing it's job and started working to kick Subsonic out of PFC. Which started some big huge crying debate on Subsonics side basically saying it was an accident and they were returning the district. Mike Ruan decided that he wouldn't let it slide. what then happened during whole incident was we were policing with the Generals at the time, and Subsonic decided to tattle on us, and it got into a huge debate between PX1 and Generals, comparable to that of a child trying to pit his/her parents against each other. What really ticked me off about the incident was I was actually supporting Subsonic and tried to convince mike to let it slide. He didn't however, and nowadays, all I've seen Subsonic do is whine and complain about Pradox, when we were just trying to do our jobs. Then you have the fine people who say they would police it, but do absolutely nothing. Honestly, AE is the only example I can think of. Proof Soldiers of Blood had a district Red Scorpion Latinos took their district by force, and I know because we were watching that one also. To.... Flatlines Bottom line, if you're not satisfied with how people are trying to keep PFC running, try doing yourself. You'll hate it as much as we do. Phew, boy I went on a rant, I feel old now. I wasn't in SS at the time but was in squads with their leaders and it was an accident and they were trying to rectify their mistake when Pradox did what they did. I will say that I respected SS before and I still do. We are trying to use it for what it is intended for. I also admire how we try not to spawn camp and play fair. I am not saying all of our guys are perfect but as a corp we do try to act honorably. Anyone who knows me knows that I wouldn't have joined them otherwise.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4790	Posted - 2014.02.03 12:27:00 - [47] - Quote I love you guys Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182


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