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NobIesse Oblige
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:39:00 -
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If I was Soraya I'd have just take a seat right about after that first post. |
CUBS UNbanned Alt
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:46:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Free Beers wrote: PFC worked to start because we had all the big players support. None of them care now.
This! You wont find me, Kain or anyone else sponsoring events out of our own pockets to promote this game anymoar. I spent over $200 of my own money giving out gift cards and merc packs to tourney winners and participants. I am pretty sure the $$$$ Kain Spero has spent promoting this game is much more than what I spent. And there are few others who spent money out of their own pockets to promote this game (which we saw great potential in). And what did we get in return;- a whole bunch-o-permabans and CCP giving a rats ass about the valueable feedback we provided. Things that we spoke of months ago are now being implemented now years after we gave feedback. Whats worse was the lack of an acknowledgement. PFC and PC has to die and not just die. It has to die a horrible death... something to the tune of strangling a baby rabbit with barded wire while drowning it in molten lava.
still thankful for that promoting.. always came at a time that really did leave a positive mark on the game, regardless of what transpired down the road from them.
Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
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CUBS UNbanned Alt
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:52:00 -
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As for the new corps that want into PC...
we HAD this back in the day.. the 'indie corp' planet which worked great for quite a while, but ultimately fizzled for the same reason the light is flickering in Oddeluf
u need to police it, and if you don't have a team that can and WILL enforce things, the concept is ultimately doomed.
this doesn't even account for the meta bickering that happens with every little thing that happens.
the smaller, lesser skilled corp that could be kicked out on a whim by the top crews, well those seem to be the ones that have always been the most vocal, thinking they can cry to the community which will ultimately save their hides, and districts.
Ive seen PFC from its inception by NF, its full implementation by Eon and Cronos and all the big boys, to its policing by TEAM, AE and various others over time.
EVERY STEP OF THE WAY... people QQ over it.
put yourself in our shoes for a moment.. the shoes of every single player and corp that enforced rules.
u complain about the rules, u complain about alts, u complain about ringers, but all u want is to hold a district and be a part of PC.
yes some have used PFC as intended.. that is a VERY small # over the course of time
everyone has an opinion, little of which is unified in the community, and thus leads to the concept unraveling..
Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
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CUBS UNbanned Alt
58
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:56:00 -
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could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure.
Could NF or someone police it? sure
WILL this happen?
the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary:
Is it profitable?
district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets.
Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it.
#TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam
Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4476
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Posted - 2014.01.23 17:06:00 -
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It really comes down to the locking of the districts no one can police a corp if it can't be attacked.
I personally always wanted to see it succeed but it is a head ache for any corp that wants to run it. |
CUBS UNbanned Alt
60
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Posted - 2014.01.23 17:10:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:It really comes down to the locking of the districts no one can police a corp if it can't be attacked.
I personally always wanted to see it succeed but it is a head ache for any corp that wants to run it.
true, however there are ways around everything, district locking is not an infallible mechanic
Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2067
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Posted - 2014.01.23 17:11:00 -
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CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:It really comes down to the locking of the districts no one can police a corp if it can't be attacked.
I personally always wanted to see it succeed but it is a head ache for any corp that wants to run it. true, however there are ways around everything, district locking is not an infallible mechanic
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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CUBS UNbanned Alt
60
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Posted - 2014.01.23 17:13:00 -
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and if you don't believe me... contact ERA for your district needs/vendetta toward locking cowards/delinquent bills/mistreating your sister etc.
We specialize and pride ourselves in being the prime competition to the 'Make-A-Wish' foundation
and for the right price, damn near anything is possible
Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
687
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Posted - 2014.01.23 17:15:00 -
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CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure.
Could NF or someone police it? sure
WILL this happen?
the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary:
Is it profitable?
district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets.
Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it.
#TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me.
beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
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Bloodthirsty Heathen
Talledos Inc
28
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Posted - 2014.01.23 17:20:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure.
Could NF or someone police it? sure
WILL this happen?
the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary:
Is it profitable?
district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets.
Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it.
#TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me.
Your signature ^ |
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
687
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Posted - 2014.01.23 17:35:00 -
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Bloodthirsty Heathen wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure.
Could NF or someone police it? sure
WILL this happen?
the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary:
Is it profitable?
district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets.
Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it.
#TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me. Your signature ^ Pretty cool huh?
beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2067
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Posted - 2014.01.23 20:17:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Bloodthirsty Heathen wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure.
Could NF or someone police it? sure
WILL this happen?
the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary:
Is it profitable?
district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets.
Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it.
#TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me. Your signature ^ Pretty cool huh? Hmm it gives me an Idea... the Sig and the Post...
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
687
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Posted - 2014.01.23 20:43:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Bloodthirsty Heathen wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:could PFC return to its 'glory' days? sure.
Could NF or someone police it? sure
WILL this happen?
the plain and simple bottom line, which is ultimately the answer to everything in this game from the viewpoint of a mercenary:
Is it profitable?
district locking isn't because people are scared to lose their land. Its because it increases their wallets.
Policing Oddeluf in and of itself is not profitable, and many people often require prescription medication to relieve the headaches that come with it.
#TRuThHurts#PaYMe&thingswork#checkpolitics@thedoor#tankspam Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me. Your signature ^ Pretty cool huh? Hmm it gives me an Idea... the Sig and the Post... I kind of want to know what that plan is
beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2068
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Posted - 2014.01.23 22:17:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Bloodthirsty Heathen wrote:Derrith Erador wrote: Honestly, I was just going to recommend the profiteering thing. My idea would be to create a new corp. Get two or three of the rare talent members from each of the Indie corps who are on PFC. Give them a cargo hub either on PFC or Bosena. These members would still be able to fight for their previous corp, in fact, it would be best. What this will do in my eyes is if their corp is caught breaking the rules and there are two "officers" on both sides, there would be two witnesses to the rulebreaking, then the punishment of removing the corp from PFC would commence by sending clones from above cargo hub. And on the payment, we all know that no one wants to do this without some sort of monetary compensation. So my idea is for certain people in this corp will scout out corporations, see if they can field full to almost full consistently, and the people on PFC will take 10% out of their profits and send it to the corp. I know it sounds like extortion, and it is, but in all honesty, I would never police again if there wasn't something in it for me.
Your signature ^ Pretty cool huh? Hmm it gives me an Idea... the Sig and the Post... I kind of want to know what that plan is If I remeber I'll make a thread later.
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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ANON Illuminati
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
542
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Posted - 2014.01.24 02:58:00 -
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Free beers:
i hate u so much. but at the same time i love you dearly. fukc PFC to the fullest.
by the way we had a word spat once where we exchanged mean hateful things to one another only to come to the same agreement that we were both troling one another. so cheers i really dont hate u.
I Sware It Wasnt Me
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MoonEagle A
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
103
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:47:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Soraya, I'm going to translate for Free Beers, because I honestly see where he's coming from.
PFC does need to go, mainly because the people who would've actively policed it get nothing but hate from the community in general. A prime example I've actually been a part of is the one concerning Subsonic Synthesics and Subdreddit. Back in PX1's policing days, which lasted 2 or three days, Subsonic snagged a territory from Subdreddit on PFC, and we were watching that district beforehand, they had it for more than at least 3 days. Then PX1 started doing it's job and started working to kick Subsonic out of PFC. Which started some big huge crying debate on Subsonics side basically saying it was an accident and they were returning the district. Mike Ruan decided that he wouldn't let it slide. what then happened during whole incident was we were policing with the Generals at the time, and Subsonic decided to tattle on us, and it got into a huge debate between PX1 and Generals, comparable to that of a child trying to pit his/her parents against each other. What really ticked me off about the incident was I was actually supporting Subsonic and tried to convince mike to let it slide. He didn't however, and nowadays, all I've seen Subsonic do is whine and complain about Pradox, when we were just trying to do our jobs.
Then you have the fine people who say they would police it, but do absolutely nothing. Honestly, AE is the only example I can think of. Proof Soldiers of Blood had a district Red Scorpion Latinos took their district by force, and I know because we were watching that one also. To.... Flatlines
Bottom line, if you're not satisfied with how people are trying to keep PFC running, try doing yourself. You'll hate it as much as we do.
Phew, boy I went on a rant, I feel old now.
I wasn't in SS at the time but was in squads with their leaders and it was an accident and they were trying to rectify their mistake when Pradox did what they did. I will say that I respected SS before and I still do. We are trying to use it for what it is intended for. I also admire how we try not to spawn camp and play fair. I am not saying all of our guys are perfect but as a corp we do try to act honorably.
Anyone who knows me knows that I wouldn't have joined them otherwise. |
Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4790
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Posted - 2014.02.03 12:27:00 -
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I love you guys
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