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Scar Scrilla
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:19:00 -
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Someone playin for a few months has accumulated a lot of lifetime SP, me myself i specced into stuff I don't use anymore or don't like to use (e.g Proto sniper rifles).
After the respec, ppl with experience in most of the weapons, suits and equipment, ppl that have been there before 1.8, won't spec into stuff they considered useless or not suitable for their playstyle. ( at least I hope they won't).
What does that mean: in my example, i will use the SP formerly invested in sniping and other skills i don't need/like to max out my favourite weapons I use right now, which i make quite some kills with. It will even be more OP (hint) than it is right now. I won't skill into any assault suit anymore, etc, just the stuff I like to use and work for my play styles.
That's actually what I like about a respec. Try new stuff, leave stuff u dont like aside.
TL;DR: From my point of view, a respec will drive away new players even more than right now, cuz they will face vets with 30 Mill SP or more, that invest all their SP in maxin out equipment, weapons and dropsuit they know like the back of their hands, whereas a new player will get devastated (in a wider array of racial dropsuits to choose from) by cloaked proto scouts and crazy buffed Proto Commandos or whatever.
My point is: A respec is gonna help seasoned players and vets more than attracting any new players. New players give a damn if there's a Minmatar heavy or Gallente Commando they can specc into from the beginning after 1.8.
They are too busy not being shot by anything out of 300m.
Respecs are gonna kill this game.
P.S.: that's my PERSONAL opinion, nobody needs to be offended.
o7
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:25:00 -
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Which is true, many FotM chasers would rejoice
Also I think its flawed to give a respect when 1) we still don't have all the vehicles, 2) we don't know the changes that will need to occur to balance the game
I can image 1.9 being nerfs/buffs and just balancing in general, which case people will whine the 1.8 FotM gets corrected
do we actually have a confirmation or is this still speculation?
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ugg reset
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
445
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:28:00 -
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TL;DR, you won't like me when I respec 
I think that having to save up lager amounts of SP adds weight to my decisions. Do I really want that proto scout later or should i spend more time getting the quicker core scanning skills up. oh wait i'll just wait till the next time CCP gives me all my SP back and get it all at once.
Thr33 is the magic number.
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:31:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Which is true, many FotM chasers would rejoice
Also I think its flawed to give a respect when 1) we still don't have all the vehicles, 2) we don't know the changes that will need to occur to balance the game
I can image 1.9 being nerfs/buffs and just balancing in general, which case people will whine the 1.8 FotM gets corrected
do we actually have a confirmation or is this still speculation?
As u can read in many post before (for example: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137569&find=unread) unfortunately a lot of ppl are very aggressively supporting respecs. I don't know about a confirmation from CCP though.
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
441
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:35:00 -
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I have 30 million, 95% perfectly specced with nearing 9 million unallocated. I'm gonna make sure I'm healing the **** out of all these respecced badasses so they can let rip on the masses with their streamlined fittings.
Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:38:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:I have 30 million, 95% perfectly specced with nearing 9 million unallocated. I'm gonna make sure I'm healing the **** out of all these respecced badasses so they can let rip on the masses with their streamlined fittings.
Sounds scary...
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:39:00 -
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Most players with a lot of SP already have maxed out builds.
The only harm is to your imagination.
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:39:00 -
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Our equipment, suits, and weapons are already maxed out. We will just end up maxing out different things.
The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one.
AV spam vs V spam
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Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:44:00 -
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Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:46:00 -
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Respecs are required |
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:46:00 -
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36 million SP here.
CalogiL5
GalogiL4
Amarr LogiL4
Min ScoutL3
Min AssualtL3
Amarr AssaultL3
I'd take my SP from Calogi, Galogi, Min Assault, Ammarr Assault and max out Amarr Logi, Min Logi, and Min Scout.
Let's not be dramatic. I already have all equipment maxed, all HP skills maxed, the only fitting stuff not maxed is Dropsuit Upgrades (L4), Light Weapon Operation (L4), and the weapon fitting optimization skills are only at L2.
It's not the 30 million SP people that the brand new players would have to watch out for. It's the guys a 15 million SP that have their SP all over the place. Overall the matches would be much more fun with more players specialized.
But a 30 million SP player getting a respec isn't going to change him/her much. Let's go ahead and put this myth to bed.
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:48:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not).
And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Thumb Green
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:54:00 -
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Yeah, a respec doesn't really help us older players out that much as we've got a lot of stuff maxed out already and many have plenty of unallocated SP to max out the new stuff they decide to try. For the newer players however, a respec will be greatly beneficial because they'll be able to take their wasted SP and spend it a little bit more wisely in making themselves competitive; hell a stacked squad team vs randoms just might not be completely one sided after a respec.
CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:55:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWhbyOzmh7I
why would someone leave over a respec, IT'S GOING TO BE AN SP PARTY UP IN THIS PLACE!!!! |
Vell0cet
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
820
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:58:00 -
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This can easily be solved with an optional 2nd tier academy for players under a SP cap (like 2-5 mill SP). Give them an optional kiddie-pool to play in until they can put together a decent fit. It's a simple fix. I'm a "no-respec" guy, but I think an infantry respec with as many changes are coming is the only rational approach. Not to mention it will create more racial balance with a more even distribution of heavies and scouts.
Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
TheLostLegion
249
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:02:00 -
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A lot of people will probably leave DUST514 if they can't spec into the weapons and dropsuits that they wanted to originally If they don't get a respec.
I can has ISK
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
742
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:02:00 -
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Warning, this thread contains a XXL troll by the name of: Scar scrilla
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL |
Thumb Green
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
698
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:07:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWhbyOzmh7I
why would someone leave over a respec, IT'S GOING TO BE AN SP PARTY UP IN THIS PLACE!!!!
seriously I'm not for or against an sp respec, my build is fine but if someone quits over a respec they are wound way too tight.
Exactly
CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:07:00 -
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If they have 30 mil SP at this point then they most likely have everything they want.
#logic
Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
48
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:13:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Warning, this thread contains a XXL troll by the name of: Scar scrilla
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL
Important post, thanks
btw, do you like trees?
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
897
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:18:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:If they have 30 mil SP at this point then they most likely have everything they want.
#logic
I could use another 30. specially with more stuffz coming outz..
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
441
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:26:00 -
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Atli Mar aka CCP Praetorian @ EVE Vegas 2013 in response to a question about racial parity in dropsuits: "Every time we do this the cost on rebalance is pretty substantial and of course many in the community have asked us to include--with those kind of substantial changes to the tech tree--respecs and stuff like that. Obviously it's disruptive for the community and us so we want to pile them all together."
http://youtu.be/40zjfBk5vEE?t=39m47s
Make of that what you will. The fact that it was mentioned is a pretty heavy indicator. Sorry anti respec guys. 
I'm not really sorry. You guys will live.
Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:27:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:If they have 30 mil SP at this point then they most likely have everything they want.
#logic
Except the new stuff thats coming, right? At proto level. U can skill into it right away rather than grind the SP like everybody else beginning to play DUST would have to?
If u like grinding SP for new stuff in EZmode (respec) be happy when u get it.
I'm good with my stuff pre 1.8 and will be ever after, no matter how many respecs ppl gonna QQ for.
@CCP: Sell respecs for Aurum , It seems like u could make a hell of a profit with that ;)
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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McFurious
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
550
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:29:00 -
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The thing that drives away new players is the NPE. Respec is irrelevant when everything kills you instantly regardless.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
Durka durka.... Bitch.
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
441
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:32:00 -
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McFurious wrote:The thing that drives away new players is the NPE. Respec is irrelevant when everything kills you instantly regardless.
This. I played four matches in Academy with my new merc before being booted into the big boys playground. The NPE is a complete clusterfuck disaster and is going to send people away before they even get their first proto anything.
Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
742
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:32:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Warning, this thread contains a XXL troll by the name of: Scar scrilla
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL Important post, thanks btw, do you like trees?
Have you guys and gals ever seen... a tree? No, no, no. Not those shriveled black things. IGÇÖm talking real trees. Brown bark, green leaves, photosynthesis, all that good stuff. Now what if I, the all-powerful Dexter, were to tell you that somewhere right here in Molden Heath, thereGÇÖs a place, with LOTS of trees. A veritable Oasis of green, in that depressing sea of brown. Look, it was years ago, and I MAY have been experimenting with jet at the time, but IGÇÖm telling you, itGÇÖs out there... |
Sgt Buttscratch
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:33:00 -
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on the flipside, there is probably a good number of newer players who are starting to realise their original choices werent too wise, and this may give them the chance to rectify their character and enjoy it more.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
48
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:35:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Warning, this thread contains a XXL troll by the name of: Scar scrilla
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL Important post, thanks btw, do you like trees? Have you guys and gals ever seen... a tree? No, no, no. Not those shriveled black things. IGÇÖm talking real trees. Brown bark, green leaves, photosynthesis, all that good stuff. Now what if I, the all-powerful Dexter, were to tell you that somewhere right here in Molden Heath, thereGÇÖs a place, with LOTS of trees. A veritable Oasis of green, in that depressing sea of brown. Look, it was years ago, and I MAY have been experimenting with jet at the time, but IGÇÖm telling you, itGÇÖs out there...
"Experimenting with jet" hehe Fallout ahoi!
Btw, Trees are good people u know
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Zimander
Tickle My Null-Sac
25
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:36:00 -
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if CPP do re-space they need do only for drop suite only cuz many players speck to some suite just for the bonus |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
1111
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:37:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Respecs are required
lol |
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1211
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:37:00 -
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I agree, there will be a certain amount of min maxing that happens but that is the unfortunate out come of this situation.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout.
CLOSED BETA VET
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
48
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:38:00 -
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Zimander wrote:if CPP do re-space they need do only for drop suite only cuz many players speck to some suite just for the bonus
No to "respace" 
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Zimander
Tickle My Null-Sac
25
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:43:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Zimander wrote:if CPP do re-space they need do only for drop suite only cuz many players speck to some suite just for the bonus No to "respace"
I'm not saying yes to full re-space just to drop-suite did go Pro Amarr Assault just for my SR bonus witch was rely helpful
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
841
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:45:00 -
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I'm happy with what i have. Which is almost everything. If i want something new, i'll just hit my SP cap and keep working on it till i get it. It doesn't take that long to get something in this game. So don't make it sound like it's the worst thing ever. All the 30 mil SP players have been a blue berry, new berry, noob toon, new player at one point or the other. They just have the patience and skills to get what they want. New players speccing into things without reading the description and trying it out, should not complain... |
Yokal Bob
G.R.A.V.E
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
295
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:50:00 -
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i have to say a respec will do the opposite for new players, those who were unwise with their choices will be able to correct where they went wrong. a respec for us vets will not do much |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
439
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:54:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Someone playin for a few months has accumulated a lot of lifetime SP, me myself i specced into stuff I don't use anymore or don't like to use (e.g Proto sniper rifles).
After the respec, ppl with experience in most of the weapons, suits and equipment, ppl that have been there before 1.8, won't spec into stuff they considered useless or not suitable for their playstyle. ( at least I hope they won't).
What does that mean: in my example, i will use the SP formerly invested in sniping and other skills i don't need/like to max out my favourite weapons I use right now, which i make quite some kills with. It will even be more OP (hint) than it is right now. I won't skill into any assault suit anymore, etc, just the stuff I like to use and work for my play styles.
That's actually what I like about a respec. Try new stuff, leave stuff u dont like aside.
TL;DR: From my point of view, a respec will drive away new players even more than right now, cuz they will face vets with 30 Mill SP or more, that invest all their SP in maxin out equipment, weapons and dropsuit they know like the back of their hands, whereas a new player will get devastated (in a wider array of racial dropsuits to choose from) by cloaked proto scouts and crazy buffed Proto Commandos or whatever.
My point is: A respec is gonna help seasoned players and vets more than attracting any new players. New players give a damn if there's a Minmatar heavy or Gallente Commando they can specc into from the beginning after 1.8.
They are too busy not being shot by anything out of 300m.
Respecs are gonna kill this game.
P.S.: that's my PERSONAL opinion, nobody needs to be offended.
o7
Fully disagree. One point you fail to see, is that these high level SP chars are already stomping the guts out of noobs. After a certain amount of SP, say like 10 Mil, a person can be pretty well full on proto. After that, it's just about branching out into new weapons and suits.
So by allowing the respec, I fail to see how this is going to be anymore detrimental to noobs then the current situation. If anything, the newer players with upwards of a 2 to 3 Mil, can get their toons back on track!
Nuff Said
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
49
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:58:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:i have to say a respec will do the opposite for new players, those who were unwise with their choices will be able to correct where they went wrong. a respec for us vets will not do much
I thought new players would/should invest in core skills and stuff, things that are vital for the overall performance and nobody would regret investing in. (Am I wrong?)
Apart from this, someone playing just for a week won't have that much miss-invested SP to need a respec
Well I think the ppl most "profiting" from a respec are ppl with around 15 to 20 Mill and more SP, cuz they instantly can relocate their abundance of skill points into the new stuff at proto level right away.
You guys are just lazy :)
Anyway, I hope everybody gets what they deserve/wish for.
Have a good time everybody
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1505
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Most players with a lot of SP already have maxed out builds.
The only harm is to your imagination.
This. +1
After about 12 Million SP, it's only horizontal growth.
Giving high SP players a Dropsuit SP Refund won't suddenly make them more deadly, they'll just be able to actually do what they WANT, rather than what they got grandfathered into because of "poor choices".
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Green Living
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1164
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Most players with a lot of SP already have maxed out builds.
The only harm is to your imagination.
Sums it up. I have 30 million plus SP. Don't care either way, respec or not. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1506
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:20:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:i have to say a respec will do the opposite for new players, those who were unwise with their choices will be able to correct where they went wrong. a respec for us vets will not do much I thought new players would/should invest in core skills and stuff, things that are vital for the overall performance and nobody would regret investing in. (Am I wrong?) Apart from this, someone playing just for a week won't have that much miss-invested SP to need a respec Well I think the ppl most "profiting" from a respec are ppl with around 15 to 20 Mill and more SP, cuz they instantly can relocate their abundance of skill points into the new stuff at proto level right away (and even keep their skills they had before)
You guys are just lazy :)
Anyway, I hope everybody gets what they deserve/wish for. Have a good time everybody
We already did the worst part of the grind. Many people specced into suits, not because they wanted to, but because there wasn't an alternative. Why should they have to gring again for what they ACTUALLY wanted all along?
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:36:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums
No, I never said I was.
Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1004
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:36:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:If they have 30 mil SP at this point then they most likely have everything they want.
#logic
Yah, a respec would not make me a better killer. Mostly it would all just go right back to where it came from. I have full proto Gal logi, assault and scout. The only thing that might change is I'd probably take my points out of assault and put it into heavy, and my points from the Gallente AR and put them into the HMG or save them till the other racial heavy weapons come out.
So not much would change for me.
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
49
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:54:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night.
Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees...
You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season.
Just go away lol
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
10260
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:56:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol
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Fizzer94
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D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:58:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol
Who are you lol? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums lol. LOL.
lol.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
51
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:59:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol He mad
No just honest. Don't be angry. Sorry to hurt you and your boyfriend though
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
51
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:00:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol Who are you lol? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums lol. LOL. Great post :) lol.
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
10261
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:05:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:No just honest. Don't be angry. Sorry to hurt you and your boyfriend though
So mad
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Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:12:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:15:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Atli Mar aka CCP Praetorian @ EVE Vegas 2013 in response to a question about racial parity in dropsuits: "Every time we do this the cost on rebalance is pretty substantial and of course many in the community have asked us to include--with those kind of substantial changes to the tech tree--respecs and stuff like that. Obviously it's disruptive for the community and us so we want to pile them all together." http://youtu.be/40zjfBk5vEE?t=39m47sMake of that what you will. The fact that it was mentioned is a pretty heavy indicator. Sorry anti respec guys. I'm not really sorry. You guys will live.
It's only an indication that they're thinking about it, they deliberately haven't said either way.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
151
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:24:00 -
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They just did a respec on all the vehicles skills - If your complaint if valid is already done .
vet players with tons of wasted skill points in vehicles got all their SP returned. Many did not respec into vehicles again but into the new uber stuff and are now "OP" as you call it.
Sorry but I 100% disagree with you.
Respecs are necessary when making major game changes - If you don't allow respecs then you leave your strong player base (vets) struggling and getting annoyed that they have been nerfed just to help new players who have the option to spec into weapons that were not available to the vet players at the time.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
4156
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:27:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Patrick57 wrote:If they have 30 mil SP at this point then they most likely have everything they want.
#logic Except the new stuff thats coming, right? At proto level. U can skill into it right away rather than grind the SP like everybody else beginning to play DUST would have to? #logic If u like grinding SP for new stuff in EZmode (respec) be happy when u get it. I'm good with my stuff pre 1.8 and will be ever after, no matter how many respecs ppl gonna QQ for. @CCP: Sell respecs for Aurum , It seems like u could make a hell of a profit with that ;)
If that's your logic, then it's CCP's fault for not having a large, well established playerbase already.
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
349
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:57:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Which is true, many FotM chasers would rejoice
Also I think its flawed to give a respect when 1) we still don't have all the vehicles, 2) we don't know the changes that will need to occur to balance the game
I can image 1.9 being nerfs/buffs and just balancing in general, which case people will whine the 1.8 FotM gets corrected
do we actually have a confirmation or is this still speculation?
So the answer is to punish the non FOTM chasers who only waited for some verisimilitude to come along only because the FOTM people would ALSO benefit. Hell if everyone benefits, then why not do it? I understand that new players are gonna feel outclassed, but guess what? That's the intent of this game. New players are ALWAYS going to feel outclassed. That's the point of sticking with it and earning those damned skillpoints to begin with. The sense of accomplishment when you finally crest that hill and accomplish your goals. Someone who has spent more time and ISK should reap some of the benefits.
But anyways, I have another thread about respecs here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
52
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:04:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol ... U mad brah?
No but your boyfriend is. Cuddle him a little
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
151
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:11:00 -
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No but your boyfriend is. Cuddle him a little
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Making a remark like cubble your boyfriend just shows how ignorant this person is. You don't know their gender or sexual preference. This crap does not stand these days. But don't worry the truth is, he is most likely young and needing attention for all the wrong reasons. We support you and will "feed the troll" because he need its guys! |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
635
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:16:00 -
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It'll help the middle class more than the rich or the poor.
With the respec, I might be able to go get into proto Scout. But that's it. All my other skills will be the same in terms of weaponry and core skills. The vets will still have tons of SP, and the newbies will have better decisions, but not much of SP.
By the way, the starter SP changed. From 500,000 to 514,000 lol |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
1499
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:20:00 -
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I'd like to answer post per post, but, you know, I like to be concise.
Why on earth would a respec encourage people to leave? Imo, it would encourage people to come back. Everyone, and when I say everyone I mean every single dust 514 player that at least created his character on the first month since official launch already have 11 mln SP at least. If someone left the game for many reasons during these months he would certainly come back and try out new things. In other words, if 1.8 is a success (good hit detection, fun etc.) people will stay and player base will grow.
Moreover, you'll finally see more variety on the battlefield: Dust 514 is becoming more and more rock paper scissor, so you probably won't see a swarm of Cal / Gal logis or whatever, but you'll probably see people playing the role they like. I want to be a glass cannon. Okay, go Minmatar assault or any Commando, but mind the commando is really slow. I really like to assault strafing here and there: great go for Cal Scout. I want to be invisible like a ninja : go Gal Scout and so on. If CCP plays its cards right, a respec and 1.8 will be a great opportunity to give Dust 514 the shine it deserves.
PS.
It would be great if they don't limit SP gain per week till a certain cap (let's say 15 mln SP)
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
976
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:25:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Most players with a lot of SP already have maxed out builds.
The only harm is to your imagination.
Pretty much this...
Yup.
Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised.
Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
52
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:29:00 -
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No but your boyfriend is. Cuddle him a little
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Making a remark like cubble your boyfriend just shows how ignorant this person is. You don't know their gender or sexual preference. This crap does not stand these days. But don't worry the truth is, he is most likely young and needing attention for all the wrong reasons. We support you and will "feed the troll" because he need its guys![/quote]
Cubble? What's that?
Amen for your gospel, reverend
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
3918
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:34:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Someone playin for a few months has accumulated a lot of lifetime SP, me myself i specced into stuff I don't use anymore or don't like to use (e.g Proto sniper rifles).
After the respec, ppl with experience in most of the weapons, suits and equipment, ppl that have been there before 1.8, won't spec into stuff they considered useless or not suitable for their playstyle. ( at least I hope they won't).
What does that mean: in my example, i will use the SP formerly invested in sniping and other skills i don't need/like to max out my favourite weapons I use right now, which i make quite some kills with. It will even be more OP (hint) than it is right now. I won't skill into any assault suit anymore, etc, just the stuff I like to use and work for my play styles.
That's actually what I like about a respec. Try new stuff, leave stuff u dont like aside.
TL;DR: From my point of view, a respec will drive away new players even more than right now, cuz they will face vets with 30 Mill SP or more, that invest all their SP in maxin out equipment, weapons and dropsuit they know like the back of their hands, whereas a new player will get devastated (in a wider array of racial dropsuits to choose from) by cloaked proto scouts and crazy buffed Proto Commandos or whatever.
My point is: A respec is gonna help seasoned players and vets more than attracting any new players. New players give a damn if there's a Minmatar heavy or Gallente Commando they can specc into from the beginning after 1.8.
They are too busy not being shot by anything out of 300m.
Respecs are gonna kill this game.
P.S.: that's my PERSONAL opinion, nobody needs to be offended.
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ANTI LIKE 4 U.
New players have the options now. players AFTER 1.8 will have the option to skill in to a gallente commando or a minmatar heavy or a caldari scout.
I didnt have this option so i had to skill into the only things we had at the moment.
if players leave is because of the ineffective Academy and horrible matchmaking.
Them leaving because a respec is BS and everyone knows it.
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:42:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I'd like to answer post per post, but, you know, I like to be concise.
Why on earth would a respec encourage people to leave? Imo, it would encourage people to come back. Everyone, and when I say everyone I mean every single dust 514 player that at least created his character on the first month since official launch already have 11 mln SP at least. If someone left the game for many reasons during these months he would certainly come back and try out new things. In other words, if 1.8 is a success (good hit detection, fun etc.) people will stay and player base will grow.
Moreover, you'll finally see more variety on the battlefield: Dust 514 is becoming more and more rock paper scissor, so you probably won't see a swarm of Cal / Gal logis or whatever, but you'll probably see people playing the role they like. I want to be a glass cannon. Okay, go Minmatar assault or any Commando, but mind the commando is really slow. I really like to assault strafing here and there: great go for Cal Scout. I want to be invisible like a ninja : go Gal Scout and so on. If CCP plays its cards right, a respec and 1.8 will be a great opportunity to give Dust 514 the shine it deserves.
PS.
It would be great if they don't limit SP gain per week till a certain cap (let's say 15 mln SP)
I had a character in the beta and my current SP is 9.7 million (and a bit) so your maths is a little off.
That said there is a kind of logic to the rest of your post, albeit a flawed one. You suggest that everyone who had a character made within the first month would come back and I think that's optimistic. A lot of those who left will have moved on to another game and won't look at Dust again as it wasn't ready when they tried it.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
1500
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Posted - 2014.01.22 23:12:00 -
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Teilka Darkmist wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I'd like to answer post per post, but, you know, I like to be concise.
Why on earth would a respec encourage people to leave? Imo, it would encourage people to come back. Everyone, and when I say everyone I mean every single dust 514 player that at least created his character on the first month since official launch already have 11 mln SP at least. If someone left the game for many reasons during these months he would certainly come back and try out new things. In other words, if 1.8 is a success (good hit detection, fun etc.) people will stay and player base will grow.
Moreover, you'll finally see more variety on the battlefield: Dust 514 is becoming more and more rock paper scissor, so you probably won't see a swarm of Cal / Gal logis or whatever, but you'll probably see people playing the role they like. I want to be a glass cannon. Okay, go Minmatar assault or any Commando, but mind the commando is really slow. I really like to assault strafing here and there: great go for Cal Scout. I want to be invisible like a ninja : go Gal Scout and so on. If CCP plays its cards right, a respec and 1.8 will be a great opportunity to give Dust 514 the shine it deserves.
PS.
It would be great if they don't limit SP gain per week till a certain cap (let's say 15 mln SP) I had a character in the beta and my current SP is 9.7 million (and a bit) so your maths is a little off. That said there is a kind of logic to the rest of your post, albeit a flawed one. You suggest that everyone who had a character made within the first month would come back and I think that's optimistic. A lot of those who left will have moved on to another game and won't look at Dust again as it wasn't ready when they tried it.
Well, I'm not really optimistic, I'm not saying that everyone will give it another try. But many would, eventually. Don't know where you from, but EU player base, up to now, is 12 -15 italians, 40 french , 20 germans (hyperbole) while in August / September it used to count thousands of active players. That said, people didn't try Dust and then left, but they actually played it for long and then left for different reasons. The first that comes in my mind is framerate lag in PC battles, hopefully fully fixed in 1.8, then FOTMs weapons/dropsuits, bad hit detection etc.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5873
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Posted - 2014.01.22 23:23:00 -
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Let's be real, people with 30 million SP already have at least a couple fits optimized completely or extremely close. What a respec would do is allow people in the 5 million - 10 million range the chance to get a fit close to a competitive level.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2940
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Posted - 2014.01.22 23:59:00 -
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It'll drive away old players too. What value is SP if I'm not going to get what I spent it on? It's not something I'm going to spend my time & money on.
No.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
1500
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Posted - 2014.01.23 00:03:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:It'll drive away old players too. What value is SP if I'm not going to get what I spent it on? It's not something I'm going to spend my time & money on.
You're not supposed to play till you get better gear. You're supposed to play because you're having fun! And you probably don't have fun grinding for the new gal logi and rail rifle prof 5.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
10265
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:07:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:It'll drive away old players too. What value is SP if I'm not going to get what I spent it on? It's not something I'm going to spend my time & money on.
I'm not sure how someone else rearranging their SP somehow magically changes what you spent yours on.....no one forces you to change your SP allocation. In the perfect world an opt out system would be most ideal, for people who can't be bothered to take a few minutes to sit down and replicate their build, or to write it down before the respec happens. Respec does far less harm than good in an FPS environment, especially when you're altering the suits, equipment, and adding in entire new (old) suits, it's just common courtesy to give not only paying customers, but free customers the ability to spend their hard earned (unless you AFK, you devil you) SP in relation to the new changes and racial parity.
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
3928
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:14:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:It'll drive away old players too. What value is SP if I'm not going to get what I spent it on? It's not something I'm going to spend my time & money on.
It might drive away 2 or 3 butthurt vets.But it will also bring back lots of old vets that will want to try some of the new stuff.
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
584
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:25:00 -
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If we are to the point where we have to hope vets have wasted SP in order to somehow help new players we are truly in trouble. New players are screwed for a variety of reasons a respec or not isn't going to make them more or less screwed. If things go right there will be no FotB (flavor of the build, its a more accurate description). I would argue that a respec helps the newer player more because he has more recent SP screwups where as us guys with 20+ million SP have already spent to cover up any SP screw ups.
After about 20 million you are mostly diversifying anyway with some more going into more...accessory skills such as rapid reload or fitting optimization for your weapons etc...
We bitter vets are going to be just fine respec or not, the 2-3 month player will benefit far more than us I would wager |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2557
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:26:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:on the flipside, there is probably a good number of newer players who are starting to realise their original choices werent too wise, and this may give them the chance to rectify their character and enjoy it more.
This x1000
Not everybody goes full blown Dust crackhead right away. Some people would rather walk away if their only weapons are plasma cannon and swarm launcher than grind to correct their error. I'd like to see that happen every few releases.
I really don't see FOTM as much of an issue anymore with all the variety soon to be here. There's some incentive now to favor a particular faction and their gear. I think that's another relevant call for a skill respec.
The game has missed some big chunks of content leading up to 1.8. I think a skill RESPEC of some fashion is warranted.
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Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
376
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:34:00 -
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Respecs or not Im still going to rage when i get these countless fatal errors |
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Denn Maell
PIanet Express
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
99
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:37:00 -
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Either way for me, personally. Of course, I wouldn't have any complaints if CCP announced a full SP delete.
Ha, got you. Everything but my Dropsuit Upgrades tab. Full, lol.
The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field:
One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
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Lazy Scumbag
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:42:00 -
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That is exactly what they want. Everyone gets a respect, many dump points into current-build vehicles. Then a patch or two later, guess what, vehicles get nerfed, you feel like you wasted your sp, and everything returns to normal. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3831
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Posted - 2014.01.23 02:34:00 -
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You do realize that everyone and their mothers save SP to dump it into the next FoTM right?
A FoTM is just that; a Flavor of The Month. So unless you are offering SP refunds every month (which would be idiotic beyond human comprehension), a SP refund would not advocate any FoTM use beyond what would already occur. Plus, the FoTM gear would be nerfed anyways.
Knowledge is power. You think the only thing stopping people from stomping new players is SP? Not even close.
If you put me in the Battle Academy I could probably go 30/0 with a STD suit.
Why? Because again, knowledge is power. If you believe that giving an SP Refund will be the thing that drives new players away, then your sadly mistaken.
Want to know the real problem? Matchmaking.
Next On To-Do List:
Particle Cannons
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Gemini Reynolds
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2014.01.23 02:52:00 -
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RE: Respec. I don't want one. I have plenty of SP I used in **** I don't use any more with no fucks given. But I can't be assed to remember all the various stats of **** I am using either. If all of that gets wiped out I'm going to be annoyed.
Damn the respec.
Think the game's broke? Go here and fix it yourself
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2563
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Posted - 2014.01.23 03:04:00 -
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Gemini Reynolds wrote:RE: Respec. I don't want one. I have plenty of SP I used in **** I don't use any more with no fucks given. But I can't be assed to remember all the various stats of **** I am using either. If all of that gets wiped out I'm going to be annoyed.
Damn the respec.
This has to be the worst anti-respec post of all time. "I'm too lasy to go check what boosts CPU so I'd rather just deal with my wasted SP"
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
4175
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Posted - 2014.01.23 03:25:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:It'll drive away old players too. What value is SP if I'm not going to get what I spent it on? It's not something I'm going to spend my time & money on. It might drive away 2 or 3 butthurt vets.But it will also bring back lots of old vets that will want to try some of the new stuff.
Now if only all the old Imperfects and Bounty Hunterz that left would come back, take out the big new corps that are on top, and make the game fun for everyone again :D
Winner of at least 10 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
1506
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Posted - 2014.01.23 03:28:00 -
[77] - Quote
Okay, some of you might misunderstand what's happening. I'm really really happy with my choices: melt people with laser prof 5 for the lulz, melting shield tanked Caldari with my Imperial, crushing Gallente with my Kaalakiota. I wouldn't absolutely need a respec if they were only going to add two or three dropsuits. The problem comes when CCP actually change almost everything you skilled into!
I have an Amarr Assault Pro, skilled up to lvl 5 just because I wanted to use my Imperial at its best. But now ccp is changing Amarr assault skill!
Another example, you skilled Minmatar Logi because of hacking speed. But they're changing this too!
Tank 514.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
1506
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Posted - 2014.01.23 03:35:00 -
[78] - Quote
KING CHECKMATE wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:It'll drive away old players too. What value is SP if I'm not going to get what I spent it on? It's not something I'm going to spend my time & money on. It might drive away 2 or 3 butthurt vets.
I would be really graceful if someone leaves
Tank 514.
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Darken-Soul
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:00:00 -
[79] - Quote
Scar Scrilla wrote:Someone playin for a few months has accumulated a lot of lifetime SP, me myself i specced into stuff I don't use anymore or don't like to use (e.g Proto sniper rifles).
After the respec, ppl with experience in most of the weapons, suits and equipment, ppl that have been there before 1.8, won't spec into stuff they considered useless or not suitable for their playstyle. ( at least I hope they won't).
What does that mean: in my example, i will use the SP formerly invested in sniping and other skills i don't need/like to max out my favourite weapons I use right now, which i make quite some kills with. It will even be more OP (hint) than it is right now. I won't skill into any assault suit anymore, etc, just the stuff I like to use and work for my play styles.
That's actually what I like about a respec. Try new stuff, leave stuff u dont like aside.
TL;DR: From my point of view, a respec will drive away new players even more than right now, cuz they will face vets with 30 Mill SP or more, that invest all their SP in maxin out equipment, weapons and dropsuit they know like the back of their hands, whereas a new player will get devastated (in a wider array of racial dropsuits to choose from) by cloaked proto scouts and crazy buffed Proto Commandos or whatever.
My point is: A respec is gonna help seasoned players and vets more than attracting any new players. New players give a damn if there's a Minmatar heavy or Gallente Commando they can specc into from the beginning after 1.8.
They are too busy not being shot by anything out of 300m.
Respecs are gonna kill this game.
P.S.: that's my PERSONAL opinion, nobody needs to be offended.
o7
I have 36million SP. I have the suits I want and use. I have my core skills maxed. I have every suit to Advanced level and most weapons to level 4 or 5. Some proficiencies maxed. Explain to me how a respec is going to give me an advantage I don't already have.
I am the real Darken
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2947
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:59:00 -
[80] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:It'll drive away old players too. What value is SP if I'm not going to get what I spent it on? It's not something I'm going to spend my time & money on. You're not supposed to play till you get better gear. You're supposed to play because you're having fun! And you probably don't have fun grinding for the new gal logi and rail rifle prof 5.
If the core gameplay was all there was to go on, most RPGs wouldn't exist.
No.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2947
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:01:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:It'll drive away old players too. What value is SP if I'm not going to get what I spent it on? It's not something I'm going to spend my time & money on. I'm not sure how someone else rearranging their SP somehow magically changes what you spent yours on.....no one forces you to change your SP allocation. In the perfect world an opt out system would be most ideal, for people who can't be bothered to take a few minutes to sit down and replicate their build, or to write it down before the respec happens. Respec does far less harm than good in an FPS environment, especially when you're altering the suits, equipment, and adding in entire new (old) suits, it's just common courtesy to give not only paying customers, but free customers the ability to spend their hard earned (unless you AFK, you devil you) SP in relation to the new changes and racial parity.
I'm pro respec, not anti respec. Check the context of the thread please.
No.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2947
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:04:00 -
[82] - Quote
KING CHECKMATE wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:It'll drive away old players too. What value is SP if I'm not going to get what I spent it on? It's not something I'm going to spend my time & money on. It might drive away 2 or 3 butthurt vets.But it will also bring back lots of old vets that will want to try some of the new stuff.
Please consider my post in the context set by the OP. I'm pro respec, addressing the anti respec arguments presented by the OP. 
No.
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
59
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Posted - 2014.01.23 08:27:00 -
[83] - Quote
Atiim wrote:You do realize that everyone and their mothers save SP to dump it into the next FoTM right?
A FoTM is just that; a Flavor of The Month. So unless you are offering SP refunds every month (which would be idiotic beyond human comprehension), a SP refund would not advocate any FoTM use beyond what would already occur. Plus, the FoTM gear would be nerfed anyways.
Additionally, knowledge is power. You think the only thing stopping people from stomping new players is SP? Not even close.
If you put me in the Battle Academy I could probably go 30/0 with a MLT/STD suit.
Why? Because again, knowledge is power. If you believe that giving an SP Refund will be the thing that drives new players away, then your sadly mistaken.
Want to know the real problem? Matchmaking.
Matchmaking is still a problem, true. I'm afraid it will never be fixed. Actually, in my opinion, it was better before Scotty came around...
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1076
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Posted - 2014.01.23 09:36:00 -
[84] - Quote
I am still amazed how some people are to dense to accept facts presented on a silver plate, even when they experienced the problems by themself.
the premises here are all wrong and CCP will actually lose players in the long run.
your decisions have zero weight in dust, your decisions are thrown into a lottery pool and if you are lucky then you get what you wanted in the long run. e.g. I invested alot of SP into minmatar logi, to have a speed hacker with the ability to support my squad.
when 1.8 goes live all of it will be gone. no speed hacking any more and all equipment gets nerfed thus you will not reach the same efficiency without a racial bonus to it as you have now. playstyle is completely changed and forced upon me by again stupid dev decisions. the playstyle I decided for will no longer exist in 1.8. it does not only affect my dropsuit skills, every other decision I made regarding my SP was based on the fact that I wanted to play a speed hacking support. my initial decision to play this suit will be null and void in 1.8.
my minmatar sidearm specialist will also be gone.
this does not happen the first time, my scout suit was destroyed by CCP devs already. long time ago scouts were actually not that bad. they were actually able to evade damage with speed. I wanted such a suit that can evade damage with speed at the beginning. I invested in scouts and what happened? CCP decided to "normalize speeds" (atleast how they called it) because they could not fix hit detection in a reasonable timeframe. what they have done is decrease the speed across the board and it hit scouts the hardest. several months later, for more insult, then they added aim assist. my initial decision, why I invested my SP into a scout is again made null and void. I can no longer evade damage with speed, I get hit anyway.
and I am not alone in this boat, many others suffer from this too and a respec is the least that CCP can do. if they do not refund them, sane players will leave not bothering to grind nonstop because of ever changing core mechanics. |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
483
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:01:00 -
[85] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote: my scout suit was destroyed by CCP devs already.
My scout suit is just fine the way it is. What-¦s wrong with yours and how did CCP destroy it?
My Channel : Valhalla South
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
668
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:26:00 -
[86] - Quote
On one day guys like the OP will realize that the unbalanced of meta-gear is the problem and not the SP. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1077
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:34:00 -
[87] - Quote
Sir Petersen wrote:Jack McReady wrote: my scout suit was destroyed by CCP devs already. My scout suit is just fine the way it is. What-¦s wrong with yours and how did CCP destroy it?
I am also amazed about the lack of education in some countries, my it is just me cause I consider basic reading skills as natural.
and btw your comment just revealed that you are trolling and dont play scouts or you just have no clue |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
483
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:34:00 -
[88] - Quote
RKKR wrote:On one day guys like the OP will realize that the unbalanced of meta-gear is the problem and not the SP.
Stop talking nonsense and take responsibility on how you spend your SP.
A respec is ok if we have a change in the skill tree. Thats it. Should only be used if necessary.
My Channel : Valhalla South
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1077
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:36:00 -
[89] - Quote
Sir Petersen wrote:RKKR wrote:On one day guys like the OP will realize that the unbalanced of meta-gear is the problem and not the SP. Stop talking nonsense and take responsibility on how you spend your SP. A respec is ok if we have a change in the skill tree. Thats it. Should only be used if necessary.
funny how you evade all valid arguments and throw back some wild assumption. congratulations, your crediblity just went down the toilet (assuming you had some credibility to being with)
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
483
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:41:00 -
[90] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:Jack McReady wrote: my scout suit was destroyed by CCP devs already. My scout suit is just fine the way it is. What-¦s wrong with yours and how did CCP destroy it? I am also amazed about the lack of education in some countries, maybe it is just me but I consider basic reading skills as natural. and btw your comment just revealed that you are trolling and dont play scouts or you just have no clue
Yeah girl.. Hate over a videogame. Born to lose.. 
My Channel : Valhalla South
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
483
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:42:00 -
[91] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:RKKR wrote:On one day guys like the OP will realize that the unbalanced of meta-gear is the problem and not the SP. Stop talking nonsense and take responsibility on how you spend your SP. A respec is ok if we have a change in the skill tree. Thats it. Should only be used if necessary. funny how you evade all valid arguments and throw back some wild assumption. congratulations, your crediblity just went down the toilet (assuming you had some credibility to being with)
What are you talking about? Am I wrong? And relax on the tears dude.. 
My Channel : Valhalla South
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1077
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:42:00 -
[92] - Quote
Sir Petersen wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:Jack McReady wrote: my scout suit was destroyed by CCP devs already. My scout suit is just fine the way it is. What-¦s wrong with yours and how did CCP destroy it? I am also amazed about the lack of education in some countries, maybe it is just me but I consider basic reading skills as natural. and btw your comment just revealed that you are trolling and dont play scouts or you just have no clue Yeah girl.. Hate over a videogame. Born to lose..
yes, because pointing out obvious flaws and giving your a chance to wake up from your tunnelvision trance and improve means "hate". dat logic.
it is not my fault that you fail to take advantage of my advices  |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
483
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:44:00 -
[93] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:Jack McReady wrote: my scout suit was destroyed by CCP devs already. My scout suit is just fine the way it is. What-¦s wrong with yours and how did CCP destroy it? I am also amazed about the lack of education in some countries, maybe it is just me but I consider basic reading skills as natural. and btw your comment just revealed that you are trolling and dont play scouts or you just have no clue Yeah girl.. Hate over a videogame. Born to lose.. hate? I am pointing out your obvious flaws, giving your a chance to wake up from your tunnelvision trance and improve. it is not my fault that you fail to take advantage of my advices
You take this free videogame way too seriously sunshine. Get a job.
My Channel : Valhalla South
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1077
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:52:00 -
[94] - Quote
Sir Petersen wrote:
You take this free videogame way too seriously sunshine. Get a job.
having fun of someones naivety while pointing out his false logic is now considered "being way too serious" |
Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1490
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Posted - 2014.01.23 12:42:00 -
[95] - Quote
Sir Petersen wrote:RKKR wrote:On one day guys like the OP will realize that the unbalanced of meta-gear is the problem and not the SP. Stop talking nonsense and take responsibility on how you spend your SP. A respec is ok if we have a change in the skill tree. Thats it. Should only be used if necessary.
Or maybe CCP needs to take responsebility for the changes they are pushing on the players?
Skills inside the three got changed and are no longer the skills they used to be, that counts as changed in my book.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
"Accuracy"
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