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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:37:00 -
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I agree, there will be a certain amount of min maxing that happens but that is the unfortunate out come of this situation.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout.
CLOSED BETA VET
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
48
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:38:00 -
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Zimander wrote:if CPP do re-space they need do only for drop suite only cuz many players speck to some suite just for the bonus
No to "respace"
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Zimander
Tickle My Null-Sac
25
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:43:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Zimander wrote:if CPP do re-space they need do only for drop suite only cuz many players speck to some suite just for the bonus No to "respace"
I'm not saying yes to full re-space just to drop-suite did go Pro Amarr Assault just for my SR bonus witch was rely helpful
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
841
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:45:00 -
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I'm happy with what i have. Which is almost everything. If i want something new, i'll just hit my SP cap and keep working on it till i get it. It doesn't take that long to get something in this game. So don't make it sound like it's the worst thing ever. All the 30 mil SP players have been a blue berry, new berry, noob toon, new player at one point or the other. They just have the patience and skills to get what they want. New players speccing into things without reading the description and trying it out, should not complain... |
Yokal Bob
G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
295
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:50:00 -
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i have to say a respec will do the opposite for new players, those who were unwise with their choices will be able to correct where they went wrong. a respec for us vets will not do much |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
439
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:54:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Someone playin for a few months has accumulated a lot of lifetime SP, me myself i specced into stuff I don't use anymore or don't like to use (e.g Proto sniper rifles).
After the respec, ppl with experience in most of the weapons, suits and equipment, ppl that have been there before 1.8, won't spec into stuff they considered useless or not suitable for their playstyle. ( at least I hope they won't).
What does that mean: in my example, i will use the SP formerly invested in sniping and other skills i don't need/like to max out my favourite weapons I use right now, which i make quite some kills with. It will even be more OP (hint) than it is right now. I won't skill into any assault suit anymore, etc, just the stuff I like to use and work for my play styles.
That's actually what I like about a respec. Try new stuff, leave stuff u dont like aside.
TL;DR: From my point of view, a respec will drive away new players even more than right now, cuz they will face vets with 30 Mill SP or more, that invest all their SP in maxin out equipment, weapons and dropsuit they know like the back of their hands, whereas a new player will get devastated (in a wider array of racial dropsuits to choose from) by cloaked proto scouts and crazy buffed Proto Commandos or whatever.
My point is: A respec is gonna help seasoned players and vets more than attracting any new players. New players give a damn if there's a Minmatar heavy or Gallente Commando they can specc into from the beginning after 1.8.
They are too busy not being shot by anything out of 300m.
Respecs are gonna kill this game.
P.S.: that's my PERSONAL opinion, nobody needs to be offended.
o7
Fully disagree. One point you fail to see, is that these high level SP chars are already stomping the guts out of noobs. After a certain amount of SP, say like 10 Mil, a person can be pretty well full on proto. After that, it's just about branching out into new weapons and suits.
So by allowing the respec, I fail to see how this is going to be anymore detrimental to noobs then the current situation. If anything, the newer players with upwards of a 2 to 3 Mil, can get their toons back on track!
Nuff Said
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
49
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:58:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:i have to say a respec will do the opposite for new players, those who were unwise with their choices will be able to correct where they went wrong. a respec for us vets will not do much
I thought new players would/should invest in core skills and stuff, things that are vital for the overall performance and nobody would regret investing in. (Am I wrong?)
Apart from this, someone playing just for a week won't have that much miss-invested SP to need a respec
Well I think the ppl most "profiting" from a respec are ppl with around 15 to 20 Mill and more SP, cuz they instantly can relocate their abundance of skill points into the new stuff at proto level right away.
You guys are just lazy :)
Anyway, I hope everybody gets what they deserve/wish for.
Have a good time everybody
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1505
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Most players with a lot of SP already have maxed out builds.
The only harm is to your imagination. This. +1
After about 12 Million SP, it's only horizontal growth. Giving high SP players a Dropsuit SP Refund won't suddenly make them more deadly, they'll just be able to actually do what they WANT, rather than what they got grandfathered into because of "poor choices".
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Green Living
0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1164
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Most players with a lot of SP already have maxed out builds.
The only harm is to your imagination.
Sums it up. I have 30 million plus SP. Don't care either way, respec or not. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1506
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:20:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:i have to say a respec will do the opposite for new players, those who were unwise with their choices will be able to correct where they went wrong. a respec for us vets will not do much I thought new players would/should invest in core skills and stuff, things that are vital for the overall performance and nobody would regret investing in. (Am I wrong?) Apart from this, someone playing just for a week won't have that much miss-invested SP to need a respec Well I think the ppl most "profiting" from a respec are ppl with around 15 to 20 Mill and more SP, cuz they instantly can relocate their abundance of skill points into the new stuff at proto level right away (and even keep their skills they had before) You guys are just lazy :)
Anyway, I hope everybody gets what they deserve/wish for. Have a good time everybody
We already did the worst part of the grind. Many people specced into suits, not because they wanted to, but because there wasn't an alternative. Why should they have to gring again for what they ACTUALLY wanted all along?
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
172
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:36:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums
No, I never said I was.
Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post.
I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1004
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:36:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:If they have 30 mil SP at this point then they most likely have everything they want.
#logic
Yah, a respec would not make me a better killer. Mostly it would all just go right back to where it came from. I have full proto Gal logi, assault and scout. The only thing that might change is I'd probably take my points out of assault and put it into heavy, and my points from the Gallente AR and put them into the HMG or save them till the other racial heavy weapons come out.
So not much would change for me.
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
49
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:54:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night.
Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees...
You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season.
Just go away lol
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
10260
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:56:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol He mad
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1506
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:58:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol Who are you lol? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums lol. LOL.
lol.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
51
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:59:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol He mad
No just honest. Don't be angry. Sorry to hurt you and your boyfriend though
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
51
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:00:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol Who are you lol? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums lol. LOL. Great post :) lol.
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
10261
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:05:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:No just honest. Don't be angry. Sorry to hurt you and your boyfriend though So mad
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Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
172
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:12:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol
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Teilka Darkmist
45
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:15:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Atli Mar aka CCP Praetorian @ EVE Vegas 2013 in response to a question about racial parity in dropsuits: "Every time we do this the cost on rebalance is pretty substantial and of course many in the community have asked us to include--with those kind of substantial changes to the tech tree--respecs and stuff like that. Obviously it's disruptive for the community and us so we want to pile them all together." http://youtu.be/40zjfBk5vEE?t=39m47sMake of that what you will. The fact that it was mentioned is a pretty heavy indicator. Sorry anti respec guys. I'm not really sorry. You guys will live.
It's only an indication that they're thinking about it, they deliberately haven't said either way.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
151
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:24:00 -
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They just did a respec on all the vehicles skills - If your complaint if valid is already done.
vet players with tons of wasted skill points in vehicles got all their SP returned. Many did not respec into vehicles again but into the new uber stuff and are now "OP" as you call it.
Sorry but I 100% disagree with you.
Respecs are necessary when making major game changes - If you don't allow respecs then you leave your strong player base (vets) struggling and getting annoyed that they have been nerfed just to help new players who have the option to spec into weapons that were not available to the vet players at the time.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
4156
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:27:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Patrick57 wrote:If they have 30 mil SP at this point then they most likely have everything they want.
#logic Except the new stuff thats coming, right? At proto level. U can skill into it right away rather than grind the SP like everybody else beginning to play DUST would have to? #logic If u like grinding SP for new stuff in EZmode (respec) be happy when u get it. I'm good with my stuff pre 1.8 and will be ever after, no matter how many respecs ppl gonna QQ for. @CCP: Sell respecs for Aurum , It seems like u could make a hell of a profit with that ;) If that's your logic, then it's CCP's fault for not having a large, well established playerbase already.
Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
349
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:57:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Which is true, many FotM chasers would rejoice
Also I think its flawed to give a respect when 1) we still don't have all the vehicles, 2) we don't know the changes that will need to occur to balance the game
I can image 1.9 being nerfs/buffs and just balancing in general, which case people will whine the 1.8 FotM gets corrected
do we actually have a confirmation or is this still speculation?
So the answer is to punish the non FOTM chasers who only waited for some verisimilitude to come along only because the FOTM people would ALSO benefit. Hell if everyone benefits, then why not do it? I understand that new players are gonna feel outclassed, but guess what? That's the intent of this game. New players are ALWAYS going to feel outclassed. That's the point of sticking with it and earning those damned skillpoints to begin with. The sense of accomplishment when you finally crest that hill and accomplish your goals. Someone who has spent more time and ISK should reap some of the benefits.
But anyways, I have another thread about respecs here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
52
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:04:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sorry, you don't have a point. Mainly because new players will always get buttraped by 30 mil SP veterans, regardless of how badly they might have invested their skillpoints.
Also, please stop using the term "new players". Your whole thread is basically about what might drive YOU away, but you falsely try to make it sound as if you are somehow a representative for an important part of the playerbase (which you are not). And you are? Why are u so aggressive lol? Poor tiny man feeling big in video game forums No, I never said I was. Im not aggeessive at all, you're reading way too much into my post. I don't know about the forums, but your mom thought I felt huge last night. Really? Guess what: Your mom told me my **** is much bigger than that of her ******** bisexual son Leonid who she sucks every night...she also told me she hated trees... You know, where I come from we donate money for ********, poor scrubs like you but only in the Christmas season. Just go away lol ... U mad brah?
No but your boyfriend is. Cuddle him a little
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
151
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:11:00 -
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[/quote]
No but your boyfriend is. Cuddle him a little [/quote]
Making a remark like cubble your boyfriend just shows how ignorant this person is. You don't know their gender or sexual preference. This crap does not stand these days. But don't worry the truth is, he is most likely young and needing attention for all the wrong reasons. We support you and will "feed the troll" because he need its guys! |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
635
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:16:00 -
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It'll help the middle class more than the rich or the poor.
With the respec, I might be able to go get into proto Scout. But that's it. All my other skills will be the same in terms of weaponry and core skills. The vets will still have tons of SP, and the newbies will have better decisions, but not much of SP.
By the way, the starter SP changed. From 500,000 to 514,000 lol |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Expert Intervention Caldari State
1499
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:20:00 -
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I'd like to answer post per post, but, you know, I like to be concise. Why on earth would a respec encourage people to leave? Imo, it would encourage people to come back. Everyone, and when I say everyone I mean every single dust 514 player that at least created his character on the first month since official launch already have 11 mln SP at least. If someone left the game for many reasons during these months he would certainly come back and try out new things. In other words, if 1.8 is a success (good hit detection, fun etc.) people will stay and player base will grow. Moreover, you'll finally see more variety on the battlefield: Dust 514 is becoming more and more rock paper scissor, so you probably won't see a swarm of Cal / Gal logis or whatever, but you'll probably see people playing the role they like. I want to be a glass cannon. Okay, go Minmatar assault or any Commando, but mind the commando is really slow. I really like to assault strafing here and there: great go for Cal Scout. I want to be invisible like a ninja : go Gal Scout and so on. If CCP plays its cards right, a respec and 1.8 will be a great opportunity to give Dust 514 the shine it deserves.
PS.
It would be great if they don't limit SP gain per week till a certain cap (let's say 15 mln SP)
Tank 514.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
976
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:25:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Most players with a lot of SP already have maxed out builds.
The only harm is to your imagination.
Pretty much this...
Yup.
Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised.
Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
52
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:29:00 -
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No but your boyfriend is. Cuddle him a little [/quote]
Making a remark like cubble your boyfriend just shows how ignorant this person is. You don't know their gender or sexual preference. This crap does not stand these days. But don't worry the truth is, he is most likely young and needing attention for all the wrong reasons. We support you and will "feed the troll" because he need its guys![/quote]
Cubble? What's that?
Amen for your gospel, reverend
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
3918
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:34:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Someone playin for a few months has accumulated a lot of lifetime SP, me myself i specced into stuff I don't use anymore or don't like to use (e.g Proto sniper rifles).
After the respec, ppl with experience in most of the weapons, suits and equipment, ppl that have been there before 1.8, won't spec into stuff they considered useless or not suitable for their playstyle. ( at least I hope they won't).
What does that mean: in my example, i will use the SP formerly invested in sniping and other skills i don't need/like to max out my favourite weapons I use right now, which i make quite some kills with. It will even be more OP (hint) than it is right now. I won't skill into any assault suit anymore, etc, just the stuff I like to use and work for my play styles.
That's actually what I like about a respec. Try new stuff, leave stuff u dont like aside.
TL;DR: From my point of view, a respec will drive away new players even more than right now, cuz they will face vets with 30 Mill SP or more, that invest all their SP in maxin out equipment, weapons and dropsuit they know like the back of their hands, whereas a new player will get devastated (in a wider array of racial dropsuits to choose from) by cloaked proto scouts and crazy buffed Proto Commandos or whatever.
My point is: A respec is gonna help seasoned players and vets more than attracting any new players. New players give a damn if there's a Minmatar heavy or Gallente Commando they can specc into from the beginning after 1.8.
They are too busy not being shot by anything out of 300m.
Respecs are gonna kill this game.
P.S.: that's my PERSONAL opinion, nobody needs to be offended.
o7
ANTI LIKE 4 U.
New players have the options now. players AFTER 1.8 will have the option to skill in to a gallente commando or a minmatar heavy or a caldari scout. I didnt have this option so i had to skill into the only things we had at the moment.
if players leave is because of the ineffective Academy and horrible matchmaking. Them leaving because a respec is BS and everyone knows it.
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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