The old system spun up battles that were for the most part empty and this costs money. Now having both sides agree would cut down on it maybe, there is no guarantee you can get or force one side to show up at all.

To quote goonswarm tactics

"Make the other guy lose the will to fight."

In the most trolltastic way would be to issue a bunch of 'friendly matches and just not show up.

CCP learned economics from Zimbabwe, we have hyperinflation and perverse incentives. I like the idea of corp battles, bring them back.

Oh, and END THE FED

Fun fact:

Out of 250 (I think) districts in Molden Heath, guess how many are online.

200? No

100? No

50? No

25? No

... 10? No


8. 8 districts. Wow. Bring back corp battles.

This is excluding PFC

CCP HAVE COMMENTED. WITNESS.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1779432#post1779432

THIS.

All I get is a locked thread.

Trust me you're entirely on the wrong way going about this, I am surprised they haven't banned you yet for spamming and cross posting. Its a bad way to get on my radar too. 20 threads on the same subject linking to this one not only does it speak of desperation but a general lack of anything but a bias which for the most part I have come to find out is NOT a community voice at all; instead its the will of one person trying to get his agenda no matter how well educated or uneducated on the subject is pressed through and making him to look like the big hero.

I do recall though that seemingly everyone forgets the largest complaint of the old systems WAS empty matches. We all know that humans are ultimately risk averse creatures at times.

As someone else pointed out all but 8 districts where self locked today. Imagine 200 battle invites going out today and a similar number of fights only had those 8 show up; changing the methods of which people avoid attacks will not change will never change and as long as people have the ability to not log on you're not going to be able to enforce anything. Massive Fee? Transfer isk... Territory loss? Don't have any. One thing you should take note of players is that the larger players are FAR more intelligent than you give them credit for.

The other issue that lead to our current system was burn out. How many big corps dropped entirely off the radar before pc got implemented? quite a few back in those days and lot of these folks don't play; or don't even bother with PC anymore.

As for the feature itself.

Don't expect it to 'come back' as it cannot co-exist with current system. Thus a new system (arena mode as some folks mentioned here) would be needed and quite frankly we're not in a position for that feature yet. Its on the todo list for sure but its lower on the list versus a crap ton of other things that must get done and quite frankly I cannot be bothered to bring this back now I got a new fire to put out.

Trust me you're entirely on the wrong way going about this, I am surprised they haven't banned you yet for spamming and cross posting. Its a bad way to get on my radar too. 20 threads on the same subject linking to this one not only does it speak of desperation but a general lack of anything but a bias which for the most part I have come to find out is NOT a community voice at all; instead its the will of one person trying to get his agenda no matter how well educated or uneducated on the subject is pressed through and making him to look like the big hero.

I do recall though that seemingly everyone forgets the largest complaint of the old systems WAS empty matches. We all know that humans are ultimately risk averse creatures at times.

As someone else pointed out all but 8 districts where self locked today. Imagine 200 battle invites going out today and a similar number of fights only had those 8 show up; changing the methods of which people avoid attacks will not change will never change and as long as people have the ability to not log on you're not going to be able to enforce anything. Massive Fee? Transfer isk... Territory loss? Don't have any. One thing you should take note of players is that the larger players are FAR more intelligent than you give them credit for.

The other issue that lead to our current system was burn out. How many big corps dropped entirely off the radar before pc got implemented? quite a few back in those days and lot of these folks don't play; or don't even bother with PC anymore.

As for the feature itself.

Don't expect it to 'come back' as it cannot co-exist with current system. Thus a new system (arena mode as some folks mentioned here) would be needed and quite frankly we're not in a position for that feature yet. Its on the todo list for sure but its lower on the list versus a crap ton of other things that must get done and quite frankly I cannot be bothered to bring this back now I got a new fire to put out.

I am not saying you're a bad person or the intention is bad or the feature wanted is bad.

What I am saying though there are better ways to build up an case, argument, or platform, present it, and make it very hard for ccp to deny its existence of need for it or a change closer to it. Shotgunning it from the hip wont give you the best results, gotta aim for the heart in one strike.

I do recall though that seemingly everyone forgets the largest complaint of the old systems WAS empty matches. We all know that humans are ultimately risk averse creatures at times.

As someone else pointed out all but 8 districts where self locked today. Imagine 200 battle invites going out today and a similar number of fights only had those 8 show up; changing the methods of which people avoid attacks will not change will never change and as long as people have the ability to not log on you're not going to be able to enforce anything. Massive Fee? Transfer isk... Territory loss? Don't have any. One thing you should take note of players is that the larger players are FAR more intelligent than you give them credit for.

Don't expect it to 'come back' as it cannot co-exist with current system. Thus a new system (arena mode as some folks mentioned here) would be needed and quite frankly we're not in a position for that feature yet. Its on the todo list for sure but its lower on the list versus a crap ton of other things that must get done and quite frankly I cannot be bothered to bring this back now I got a new fire to put out.

Trust me you're entirely on the wrong way going about this, I am surprised they haven't banned you yet for spamming and cross posting. Its a bad way to get on my radar too. 20 threads on the same subject linking to this one not only does it speak of desperation but a general lack of anything but a bias which for the most part I have come to find out is NOT a community voice at all; instead its the will of one person trying to get his agenda no matter how well educated or uneducated on the subject is pressed through and making him to look like the big hero.

I am surprised they haven't banned you yet for spamming and cross posting. Its a bad way to get on my radar too.

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Trust me you're entirely on the wrong way going about this, I am surprised they haven't banned you yet for spamming and cross posting. Its a bad way to get on my radar too. 20 threads on the same subject linking to this one not only does it speak of desperation but a general lack of anything but a bias which for the most part I have come to find out is NOT a community voice at all; instead its the will of one person trying to get his agenda no matter how well educated or uneducated on the subject is pressed through and making him to look like the big hero.

I do recall though that seemingly everyone forgets the largest complaint of the old systems WAS empty matches. We all know that humans are ultimately risk averse creatures at times.

As someone else pointed out all but 8 districts where self locked today. Imagine 200 battle invites going out today and a similar number of fights only had those 8 show up; changing the methods of which people avoid attacks will not change will never change and as long as people have the ability to not log on you're not going to be able to enforce anything. Massive Fee? Transfer isk... Territory loss? Don't have any. One thing you should take note of players is that the larger players are FAR more intelligent than you give them credit for.

The other issue that lead to our current system was burn out. How many big corps dropped entirely off the radar before pc got implemented? quite a few back in those days and lot of these folks don't play; or don't even bother with PC anymore.

As for the feature itself.

Don't expect it to 'come back' as it cannot co-exist with current system. Thus a new system (arena mode as some folks mentioned here) would be needed and quite frankly we're not in a position for that feature yet. Its on the todo list for sure but its lower on the list versus a crap ton of other things that must get done and quite frankly I cannot be bothered to bring this back now I got a new fire to put out.

I am not saying you're a bad person or the intention is bad or the feature wanted is bad.

What I am saying though there are better ways to build up an case, argument, or platform, present it, and make it very hard for ccp to deny its existence of need for it or a change closer to it. Shotgunning it from the hip wont give you the best results, gotta aim for the heart in one strike.

Wait, are you really arguing that the ability for corps to do competitive play with no strings attached would somehow cause them to burn out?

Learn to read.

IWS, your posts seem to imply you rarely play the game, at least at a level where your opinions as a player are applicable. Nothing you've said makes any sense in the context of corp battles or PC.

A "no show" isn't an issue with corp battles, since they are consensual fights with zero rewards. A "no show" might have been an issue when all we had was corp battles, but now we have other game modes.

It's simply an option to initiate a private fight with no effect on the game's systems besides sinking ISK, which is always a good thing. There a lot of great reasons to bring it back:

-Training
-Video making
-Thunderdomes
-Racing
-Exploring maps/sockets
-Tournaments
-Testing features and bugs

So yeah, +1 from me. Bring it back.

I have participated in all of those actions though. We don't need the OLD system back we need a NEW system instead.

Sure, you've participated in that. Maybe you didn't like something.
But there are a hell of a lot of people who haven't, a hell of a lot of whom would very much like to have the ability to do these things.

I am not saying you're a bad person or the intention is bad or the feature wanted is bad.

What I am saying though there are better ways to build up an case, argument, or platform, present it, and make it very hard for ccp to deny its existence of need for it or a change closer to it. Shotgunning it from the hip wont give you the best results, gotta aim for the heart in one strike.

I just noticed IWS decided to edit his post, in order to save himself from his aggressive approach. I know I may seem like an ass picking apart everything you say, IWS, and perhaps I am. However I do believe this also deserves a comment.



There are better ways to build up a case? Hang on, let me check something.

...

Yep, this is the Feedback/requests forum. This is the area designed by CCP for us to contribute feedback, and hence this is where the thread is.

Make it very hard for CCP to deny? Isn't that what I've been doing? Bumping with several others relentlessly for over a week? I'd say that's us making it impeccably hard to deny.

"Shotgunning it from the hip". Nice phrase. Too bad it doesn't make any sense. My OP is calm collected, and provides evidence, data and suggestion with both quantitative (less so my OP, more following comments) and qualitative information. How am I shotgunning this? Because I created a petition? Because I posted a thread in the feedback section? Because I rallied together a portion of the community?

Perhaps you're now realising that what you said I 'should do' is exactly what I have done, and it's lead to you describing me as 'bias', 'uneducated', and claiming that I've insinuated my peers are unintelligent, which I have not. Does my post warrant such an approach?

You have to be an absolute paragon of virtue, reason and good posting to get a response from CCP on a feedback thread. There are more responses to troll posts in GD than there are to excellent posts in F&R.

Oh, and I must wonder what it takes to get a dev response on a feedback thread. I keep a certain link in my sig because every time I look at it I remember huge community support being met with silence.
Over, and over, and over.