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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:52:00 -
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Yup - why not.
a 10m range - heavy attacks like the nova knife but main hand. More of a 1-2 hit kill maybe 2-3 for heavies and suited assault. Long sweeping attack radio maybe 180 degrees or 60 depending on the speed between swings. I was thinking a long pause between swings ling charge shots in a sniper rifle.
It would be great defence weapon a commando. equipping it to combat shotgun, nova knifes and CQC.
It would be fun for assassin type scouts - who are right now using Nova Knifes a side arm as their main weapon.
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Nova Shield - again great for heavies.
I was thinking off-hand. It would have a damage absorb. So like after 2000 damage the shield drops.
It would change tactics and allow CQC to be more fun and less spray your weapon down the hallway and hope.
The other option is Main-hand with the ability to use your off-hand weapon at the same time. Shield and pistol. Jus for fun I am thinking about this - My concern would be Submachine gun and shield would be a nasty combination to run into in CQC. |
Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
133
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:07:00 -
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Please add others if you want.
I know some QQ will lose it saying why not (all the hand held weapons) and ruin the game. But that is extreme and over the top.
There should be room for some hand-held weapons like other games similar to this one.
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Lucrezia LeGrand
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:11:00 -
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that sounds like a really good idea. You trade off your L1 from manual aiming to using your shield. While you do get some extra bonus, you lose accuracy.
It would also be fun to take part in 16 vs 16 sword combat, a la Lord of the Rings!!
ya- hoi hoi
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
6036
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:26:00 -
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I would like a riot shield kind of weapon.
It would make boarding actions really cool.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen
404
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:53:00 -
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Spartacus 514!!
Don't look him in the eye, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!!!
I specialize in ridiculousness.
Back off my Incubus.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
2051
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:56:00 -
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Do you know how far 10m is?
Those would be Nova Lances, silly.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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DR FEB
DARKSTAR ARMY
141
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:57:00 -
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psh!...
-Put a dick in a their mouths so I guess it's fuck what they say
-I'm so awesome,when I walk in a pub, I raise the bar
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I would like a riot shield kind of weapon.
It would make boarding actions really cool. You need a riot shield for "boarding actions" Amarr are into kinkier stuff than I thought
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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
136
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:02:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Do you know how far 10m is?
Those would be Nova Lances, silly.
I am just brainstorming - 10m is a effective range for a FPS CQC. Maybe 5m would be more reasonable depending on the weapons damage and speed. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1565
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:06:00 -
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When do I get my nova warhorse? |
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:08:00 -
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Athena Sentinel wrote:Yup - why not.
a 10m range - heavy attacks like the nova knife but main hand. More of a 1-2 hit kill maybe 2-3 for heavies and suited assault. Long sweeping attack range maybe 180 degrees or 60 depending on the speed between swings....
1 story of a building is about 3m or so.
So that's a sword with a swing as long/tall as a 3-story building with an arc that would hit everything in a half circle in front of the character?
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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
136
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:09:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:When do I get my nova warhorse?
You mean 1 man vehicle speeder - That is a different thread and highly wanted from what I have read. Please check other threads for that as its more about vehicles then weapons. |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
2052
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:10:00 -
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Nova Knives are kind of misnomer anyways.. They really are Nova Swords. They have a range of 3M.. which is almost 10 feet. If you watch a minja running around with them, they are as long as his arms.
As far as extending range, the reason knives work so well in a gun fight is that their range is so close. If it were further/.say4M out to 10 as you suggest, you'll just be lining your self up to a shotgunner's optimal range. Or any guns deadly range, as well as allow them to backpedal like a champ.
Just something to think about as you brainstorm. I'd definitely be down for some cool variety of bladed weapons.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
136
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:12:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:Yup - why not.
a 10m range - heavy attacks like the nova knife but main hand. More of a 1-2 hit kill maybe 2-3 for heavies and suited assault. Long sweeping attack range maybe 180 degrees or 60 depending on the speed between swings.... 1 story of a building is about 3m or so. So that's a sword with a swing as long/tall as a 3-story building with an arc that would hit everything in a half circle in front of the character?
Actually, It depends of the type of the building. If You Suppose a Theater ,a Church or a GYM, You'll see that the height must be more than 6 meters...But The height of Normal Buildings such as residential Buildings or Offices is usually between 3-3.5 meters.(from floor to floor)and 2.8-3 meters from floor to under the ceiling. And again the diameter of the ceiling depends on the stuffs that have been used for. |
Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
140
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:18:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I am guessing trolling the stats I made for the weapon means you like the idea but would make different stats
Would be more helpful to have some stat suggestions for the weapon instead of trolling remarks about it.. But such as game forums go I guess. Leaves me wondering if they support the idea? don't or just want to troll.. I think the last option most likely hehe.
No comments on the Nova Shield - Means no complains about the idea so do it CCP !! LoL
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Bojo The Mighty
L.O.T.I.S.
2857
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:21:00 -
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Athena Sentinel wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:Yup - why not.
a 10m range - heavy attacks like the nova knife but main hand. More of a 1-2 hit kill maybe 2-3 for heavies and suited assault. Long sweeping attack range maybe 180 degrees or 60 depending on the speed between swings.... 1 story of a building is about 3m or so. So that's a sword with a swing as long/tall as a 3-story building with an arc that would hit everything in a half circle in front of the character? Actually, It depends of the type of the building. If You Suppose a Theater ,a Church or a GYM, You'll see that the height must be more than 6 meters...But The height of Normal Buildings such as residential Buildings or Offices is usually between 3-3.5 meters.(from floor to floor)and 2.8-3 meters from floor to under the ceiling. And again the diameter of the ceiling depends on the stuffs that have been used for. Regardless you are suggesting a 30 foot (for you Imperialist bastards) pole for a weapon?
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4358
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:34:00 -
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For reference, this would be a reasonable length for a 3m blade. Count the arm length and you can MAYBE argue 4m on a sword swing, more easily so if you want to have game mechanics trumping logic.
3m range on a KNIFE is all kinds of ridiculous, and also, 10m is SHOTGUN range. Keep in mind that MELEE weapons aren't going to be hitting remotely close to CQC gun range, and never should be.
Cutting knives back to 2m (arm + blade length + game mechanics), but giving them a lunge, then making a sword with 4m range would be reasonable. |
Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
140
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:39:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:For reference, this would be a reasonable length for a 3m blade. Count the arm length and you can MAYBE argue 4m on a sword swing, more easily so if you want to have game mechanics trumping logic. 3m range on a KNIFE is all kinds of ridiculous, and also, 10m is SHOTGUN range. Keep in mind that MELEE weapons aren't going to be hitting remotely close to CQC gun range, and never should be. Cutting knives back to 2m (arm + blade length + game mechanics), but giving them a lunge, then making a sword with 4m range would be reasonable.
I will add this to the Over post |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2335
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:41:00 -
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I've never like melee weapons in a first person shooter.
What will be your legacy? Will you rise, or will you fall?
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Atheor Sindromer
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
21
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:42:00 -
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So are people supposed to run around the battlefield without a gun at all and just start cutting people like it's 1556?
Love the sinner, hate the Sindromer.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
1265
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:44:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:I've never like melee weapons in a first person shooter.
but HMG + shield!
Ultimate room clearer!
Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters.
Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
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Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2335
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:47:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I've never like melee weapons in a first person shooter. but HMG + shield! Ultimate room clearer!
Explain to me how you can hold a two handed weapon and a shield at once? Even melee games don't let you do this. It's an absurd concept.
Also you ALREADY HAVE shields. That is the purpose of the shields. And armor plates.
Sorry, no. Bad idea. Nova knives are enough.
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Dunkel Hoffnung Mk3
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
4
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:48:00 -
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Athena Sentinel wrote: Nova Shield - again great for heavies.
I am really liking the idea of a shield for Heavies. Would be great for playing the defender role. If anyone has played the Resistance: Fall of Man series you'll remember walking around with an HMG that could pop up an energy shield that could take a certain amount of damage before it crapped out. Bullets could go through it one way but not go through the opposite direction. Would be pretty sick for setting up shop and holding down a letter.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4359
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:00:00 -
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Dunkel Hoffnung Mk3 wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote: Nova Shield - again great for heavies.
I am really liking the idea of a shield for Heavies. Would be great for playing the defender role. If anyone has played the Resistance: Fall of Man series you'll remember walking around with an HMG that could pop up an energy shield that could take a certain amount of damage before it crapped out. Bullets could go through it one way but not go through the opposite direction. Would be pretty sick for setting up shop and holding down a letter. It would make for great squad support as they could all stand behind the shield that was deployed and fire through until too much damage or a flux takes it out. Actually, in Resistance: Fall of Man, the weapon was the Augur, and it was a slow-firing rifle type weapon. The shield was a two-way barrier, not one-way, but the weapon itself could shoot through walls. Its projectiles slowed down while passing through objects (including the shield), but dealt extra damage based on how much stuff they had passed through before hitting the enemy. |
True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
6045
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:05:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:True Adamance wrote:I would like a riot shield kind of weapon.
It would make boarding actions really cool. You need a riot shield for "boarding actions" Amarr are into kinkier stuff than I thought Yeah well what happens if some dirty Minmatar rebel whips out and SMG and tries to put some bullets in my head?
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
491
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:18:00 -
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For everyone's knowledge, the average human is 1.8m tall. A 3m range is gigantic. Even with a sword.
That said, good idea. |
Dunkel Hoffnung Mk3
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
5
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:33:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Dunkel Hoffnung Mk3 wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote: Nova Shield - again great for heavies.
I am really liking the idea of a shield for Heavies. Would be great for playing the defender role. If anyone has played the Resistance: Fall of Man series you'll remember walking around with an HMG that could pop up an energy shield that could take a certain amount of damage before it crapped out. Bullets could go through it one way but not go through the opposite direction. Would be pretty sick for setting up shop and holding down a letter. It would make for great squad support as they could all stand behind the shield that was deployed and fire through until too much damage or a flux takes it out. Actually, in Resistance: Fall of Man, the weapon was the Augur, and it was a slow-firing rifle type weapon. The shield was a two-way barrier, not one-way, but the weapon itself could shoot through walls. Its projectiles slowed down while passing through objects (including the shield), but dealt extra damage based on how much stuff they had passed through before hitting the enemy.
Ah yes good point. I forgot about the Auger but that was a good example of how the shield could be used. As a drop it down and fire through it method. The HVAP Wraith which is the games minigun could deploy a shield on the end of the barrel and allow him to walk around and protect those who are behind him.
As quoted from the games Wiki
"As with the Auger, the Wraith is best used in a supporting role. You can deploy the shield which has 50 "health" but sprinting, firing, reloading or aiming down the sight automatically turns off the shield. Due to its poor range and accuracy, it is best suited for close quarters."
it is a solid idea for a FPS game and has been done before. i would LOVE to see this kind of thing put into action.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4363
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:50:00 -
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Dunkel Hoffnung Mk3 wrote:Ah yes good point. I forgot about the Auger but that was a good example of how the shield could be used. As a drop it down and fire through it method. The HVAP Wraith which is the games minigun could deploy a shield on the end of the barrel and allow him to walk around and protect those who are behind him.
As quoted from the games Wiki
"As with the Auger, the Wraith is best used in a supporting role. You can deploy the shield which has 50 "health" but sprinting, firing, reloading or aiming down the sight automatically turns off the shield. Due to its poor range and accuracy, it is best suited for close quarters."
it is a solid idea for a FPS game and has been done before. i would LOVE to see this kind of thing put into action. Also as quoted from the same wiki page about the Wraith: "appears only in Resistance 2"
It's not a weapon the SERIES is known for, the Auger is. It also isn't in Resistance: Fall of Man, which you included when you first mentioned it. That's why I was emphasising that the gun with the shield is primarily seen as the Auger.
Both are fun weapons though. Definitely worth looking as as a comparison/consideration for how to build a cool sci-fi weapon.
Wouldn't mind a DUST equivalent to the Bullseye, now that I think about it... |
Outer Raven
WarRavens League of Infamy
167
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Posted - 2014.01.22 02:44:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:When do I get my nova warhorse? When speeder hover bikes come out.
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Outer Raven
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.01.22 04:07:00 -
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Athena Sentinel wrote:Yup - why not.
a 3m range - Cutting knives back to 2m (arm + blade length + game mechanics), but giving them a lunge, then making a sword with 4m range would be reasonable. - heavy attacks like the nova knife but main hand. More of a 1-2 hit kill maybe 2-3 for heavies and suited assault. Long sweeping attack range maybe 180 degrees or 60 depending on the speed between swings. I was thinking a long pause between swings like the charge shots in a sniper rifle.
It would be great defence weapon a commando. equipping it to combat shotgun, nova knifes and CQC.
It would be fun for assassin type scouts - who are right now using Nova Knifes a side arm as their main weapon.
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Nova Shield - again great for heavies.
I was thinking off-hand. It would have a damage absorb. So like after 2000 damage the shield drops.
It would change tactics and allow CQC to be more fun and less spray your weapon down the hallway and hope.
The other option is Main-hand with the ability to use your off-hand weapon at the same time. Shield and pistol. Jus for fun I am thinking about this - My concern would be Submachine gun and shield would be a nasty combination to run into in CQC.
You could also have two shield types large and small. small shield would be easier to carry and absorb 1000 damage before pop. I would like to try a small shield and a nova knife - very Viking like LOL Would love to see some racial sword variants in the game.
Caldari
Gallente
Minmatar
Amarr
Tried to go with ideas similar to the racial knives.
As far as shields are concerned sure why not maybe a bubble shield though as it has more use.
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