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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.01.22 10:35:00 -
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I don't care if this isn't honoured, I'll go along with it! It'll mean me making money easier anyway.
"Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1627
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Posted - 2014.01.22 10:45:00 -
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I would love for this kind of event to happen, however coming across another NK wielding scout and engaging in an honourable knife duel to have them switch back to their primary before even trying to duel has lead me to the conclusion that Echivalry is dead.
Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.22 10:54:00 -
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I'm probably not going to be able to use most proto gear by this point (most likely only sniper rifles which I don't use protos of at the moment anyway due to lack of pg and cpu on my dropsuits). But I might drop back to basic and militia gear for a match or two, for the 'lols'. (More accurately for the challenge of it).
I wonder how many would do it if they made it an event with rewards for using basic and militia gear only.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
164
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Posted - 2014.01.22 12:53:00 -
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Well so far, no proto week, is not being followed by the following corps:
Nyansan/chan (no surprise) Mottqnai japan (no surprise) Ravenclaw something or other
That's as of 12:52 dust time. Will update as more become known
Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
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Jebus McKing
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
264
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Posted - 2014.01.22 13:00:00 -
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devonus durga wrote:Well so far, no proto week, is not being followed by the following corps:
Nyansan/chan (no surprise) Mottqnai japan (no surprise) Ravenclaw something or other
That's as of 12:52 dust time. Will update as more become known Please do not call people out. It won't help.
Also you can't say for sure if they are deliberately ignoring (or even trying to exploit) this event or if they just don't know about it. Not everyone is reading the forums.
Just keep using standard-only fittings yourself and ignore the trolls.
Thanks.
@JebusMcKing // Rifle stats comparison spreadsheet.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
164
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Posted - 2014.01.22 13:13:00 -
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Jebus, I'm beyond caring if it works, if it warns one lil nooberry that looks on here I'm happy. If it makes people actually do something, better ******* yet. But I'll leave it out of your thread, my apologies.
Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
164
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Posted - 2014.01.22 13:16:00 -
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Also removed my post if you want to delete the quote, so t doesn't result in any unwanted rage in your thread.
Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
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Not The CEO
Nothecorp...
3
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Posted - 2014.01.22 13:26:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote: I don't care about the new player base it's al about me and only me.
Every one gets 50 000 a pop killing me in this ongoing event but I have to kill ppl with nova knifes to get anything in return.
Yeah I will proto stomp, spam militia tanks do whatever it takes to stomp the reds face throw the grownd.
Idiot.
You are so irrelevant my pet pig won't aknowledge you..
D1cklord#2
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
566
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Posted - 2014.01.22 13:31:00 -
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J0hlss0n wrote:Im always in my Advanced gear anyway so, yeah, I'll do it. =) Yes you are, if you ran your proto there would be many tears, what's up buddy?
CEO
Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
566
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Posted - 2014.01.22 13:35:00 -
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devonus durga wrote:I love the sentiment, considering I'm one of the few newberries to migrate to the forum after so short a time in game. However, as this very post demonstrates, only 1/4 of the forum player base demonstrates compassion, understanding, for the newberry cause. Sportsmanship and honor is a lacking quality amongst these mercs, and will continue to be so till an over arching reason to play besides grinding sp/risk/ kills is introduced.
I of course, will be rolling standard gear, with an advance AR, as always. And yes I have proto gear, I got my duvolle this morning and have plenty state proto assaults.
To those of you have posted their desire to honor this agreement, I thank you, and encourage our to hold out. The desire to run protos will tear at you, but please refrain. Remember that week, remember the difficulties you may face running just standard gear, look at your kdr, and weep. And then remember that your standard suit is practicly as good as an advance, because of your skills. Remember that those newberries around you are not running in a 6 man squad.
Also, proto AVers, don't stop running proto AV. Tankers, and tank spammers, need to die. I feel bad for the real newberry who falls to your forge, but I pity more the 10 newberries who fall to that tank due to its indestructible nature in relation to the AV options available to newberries. And well, most tankers won't park their proto plaster madrugar for a match, never mind a week. Ran against a squad of you guys last night a couple battles in a row, good fights. 99% of the time we roll STD gear anyway so nothing out of the ordinary, no proto from Death Firm and I am spreading the word throughout the alliance as well.
See you on the letters...
CEO
Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
567
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Posted - 2014.01.22 13:48:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:Hahaha, seems like there are more douchebags in this community than I thought... jk, jk! (but it is true) I'm surprised that ML has such a bad reputation (I personally never use proto suits in pub matches.) and I want to make clear that I'm not officially speaking for ML. This proposal is not an official ML one but a personal one from my side. I can not say if any of my corpmates will join me, but I hope so. Yes, I agree that it is upon CCP to improve the new player experience, but I think we as a community also can do something to make this game more fun for new players every once in a while. At least for as long as the NPE is not fixed. I don't think that this is too much to ask for. But I can also understand if people want to use this event to grind a ton of WP, so I have a new proposal: Lets try to keep at least one game mode, lets say pub Skirmishes, free from stomping.Maybe I was aiming too high with my first proposal, but I hope we can all agree on this one. Thanks. I commend you Jebus, I have friends in ML and some of you don't run proto every day. There some that really take it to a new level such as camping a CRU in a proto suit and spamming remote explosives just to be azzholes, not naming names.
CEO
Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
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XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
552
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Posted - 2014.01.22 13:53:00 -
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Wont bother me, I only even upgrade to ADV once in a while.
Who says you can't kill in style?
When CCP plays Dust514
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fawkuima juggalo
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
856
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Posted - 2014.01.22 14:04:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:With the upcoming accelerated SP week (Jan. 22-29) I propose to make this week a no proto, no advanced gear week. Yea, I know, but hear me out. I see people, probably new players, going 0/5, 0/8, 0/12 or even worse in every single match and I can not imagine that these guys are having any fun whatsoever. But we need more people to stick to this game if we want it to succeed. I'd imagine that many people who have given up on this game might return for this event to see if the game got any better and additionally this event is a good opportunity for new players to catch up on SP. So what we as a community can do is make it a little easier for those guys to get into the game and have fun without getting roflstomped 23/7. At least for one week. So, for just this one week, I'd ask everyone of this lovely community to only use standard dropsuits, weapons, and modules in pub matches. (you are free to use whatever you like in FW and PC, of course) I know I can not stop everyone from using proto gear and the trolls will inevitably keep stomping, but the more people participate the better. even without advanced gear veterans will still have more than enough bonuses from their skills and knowledge about the game to distinguish themselves from the rest of the people. You can not lose anything, except your KDR might take a slight hit, if you care for such silly things. So, if you are with me on this, please let your corpmates know about this aswell, and refrain from using anything but standard gear for this one week. Just 1 week. Thanks. EDIT: Jebus McKing wrote:But I can also understand if people want to use this event to grind a ton of WP, so I have a new proposal: Lets try to keep at least one game mode, lets say pub Skirmishes, free from stomping.
Maybe I was aiming too high with my first proposal, but I hope we can all agree on this one.
you should make a list of yes and nos..... oh how i love lists.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
439
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Posted - 2014.01.22 14:24:00 -
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BRING OUT THE PROTO TRAIN!! TOOT TOOT!!
Nuff Said
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dullrust
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
40
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Posted - 2014.01.22 14:35:00 -
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I doubt that my corp will. still most of us usually don't run proto. There are times we are left with no choice though. What I do love about this is how low the payouts will be for the stompers. 200k suit? here have 120k payout. May your kdr rise and your isk sink. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
569
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Posted - 2014.01.22 16:34:00 -
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dullrust wrote:I doubt that my corp will. still most of us usually don't run proto. There are times we are left with no choice though. What I do love about this is how low the payouts will be for the stompers. 200k suit? here have 120k payout. May your kdr rise and your isk sink. Cause you know KDR is everything. LOL!!!
CEO
Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
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Jake Bloodworth
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
283
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Posted - 2014.01.22 16:45:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:Ok guys, no proto week starting in a few minutes.
I'd like to thank everyone who is willing to participate and keep pub Skirmishes free from proto and advanced gear to make life a little easier for new players.
If you are not willing to quit using proto gear I'd ask you to not play pub Skirmishes and instead use the other game modes to stomp and farm WP.
Thanks.
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Import Beercase
Beer For Evil Mercs
100
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Posted - 2014.01.23 00:05:00 -
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Solo with std gear... dont try...
http://imgur.com/9KNp7IE
And yeah public domination scotty kinda hates me... nice matchmaking....
Still gonna try to play with std unless Rei "the beast" Shepard is on the red side... then it will be some kinky playstyle with overexpensive protodonna gear I really dont have a clue how to use in full effect...
"If at first you don't succeed, mccdiving is not for you."
Snowflake in hell those are my odds in ambush
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
976
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Posted - 2014.01.23 00:14:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote: You didn't learn how to tackle or play football by playing in air conditioned padded room, did you?
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No...
Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised.
Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
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Toro Navajo
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
25
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Posted - 2014.01.23 00:24:00 -
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This would be awesome if you could pull it off, If there were say..10 corps that agreed, I would make sure my Corp joined. We could make a chat channel and try and get into matches at the same time. Let me know if you can gather the 10 corps with 20 members or more. |
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2014.01.23 00:25:00 -
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No, but my first game and every practice match wasn't against pro teams, in full gear, going all out. How about you? |
Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2014.01.23 00:28:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Michael Arck wrote: You didn't learn how to tackle or play football by playing in air conditioned padded room, did you? ... No...
Sorry, this is the post I was responding to above. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
496
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Posted - 2014.01.23 00:31:00 -
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I almost (only one weapon on one suit is higher than STD) never use anything higher than standard on my dropsuits. In fact half of them are MLT-STD hybrids. Green technology baby.
I really have to laugh at people who can't put down PRO suits for a week.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2014.01.23 00:32:00 -
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I don't know if this attempt was successful but Monday night was the most enjoyable night I have had in Dust, probably 5 really close fun battles and a couple that went lopsided but weren't stomps. Last night though it was back to usual with a well known corp running a full squad with proto, dropsies and tanks added for effect. |
Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
2710
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Posted - 2014.01.23 00:41:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:No, but my first game and every practice match wasn't against pro teams, in full gear, going all out. How about you?
Freshman, on the boards, going up against seniors in practice that helped clear out any sinus problems I was having.
The point is, the blueberries need to be taught how to fight. The exclusion of prototype suits doesn't train them. Yet the blueberry still doesn't have battlefield awareness. He still drops uplinks facing the wall. He still revives people in the middle of a gunfight.
While the idea is commendable, the truth is it doesn't train the blueberry anything. My coach didn't put me up against freshmens when we did tackling. They put me up against seniors in order for me to gain experience of what happens when I get on the field for a game. Coaches didn't soften up practice just for us to get a handle. Hell, our T-shirts had on em, "Go Hard or Go Home"
I don't know, I come from a different background than most. Not to say that makes me better than anybody else, that's not what I'm implying. But where I come from, the toughness is what built character and instilled skills that aren't perishable as opposed to someone getting the easy way out all the time.
Just to add, I run adv fits in pubs anyway. But there has been some tough matches where the prototype is necessary to bring out. If I run across those situations, I will do it. And when its done to me, I don't get mad. I find a way to get even.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
183
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:33:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:The point is, the blueberries need to be taught how to fight. The exclusion of prototype suits doesn't train them. Yet the blueberry still doesn't have battlefield awareness. He still drops uplinks facing the wall. He still revives people in the middle of a gunfight.
While the idea is commendable, the truth is it doesn't train the blueberry anything. My coach didn't put me up against freshmens when we did tackling. They put me up against seniors in order for me to gain experience of what happens when I get on the field for a game. Coaches didn't soften up practice just for us to get a handle. Hell, our T-shirts had on em, "Go Hard or Go Home"
I don't know, I come from a different background than most. Not to say that makes me better than anybody else, that's not what I'm implying. But where I come from, the toughness is what built character and instilled skills that aren't perishable as opposed to someone getting the easy way out all the time. I see where you are coming from, but the problem is this is a video game, which is supposed to be both enjoyable and challenging, and the NPE is neither of those. It is unenjoyable and brutal for most, which is why we have few new players. What you propose is fine for real life, but this game is what most of us are doing as a temporary escape from real life, as a way to unwind after a hard day of being challenged at work, at school, or on the football field.
It's fine for a game to be challenging, and everybody's idea of how "difficult" their entertainment should be to consume is different. Personally, I like whatever entertains me to challenge me on a somewhat higher level than what most people would probably consider enjoyable -- and I suspect most of the Dust/Eve community feel the same, otherwise they wouldn't be playing this game. But it can't be so difficult that a person begins to feel iike there is no progression, which is what being stomped feels like. Then it just sucks, and makes people want to do something else. And that's bad for this community.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
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Andius Fidelitas
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
108
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:35:00 -
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How about a big cup of no. |
Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
2714
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:47:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote:Michael Arck wrote:The point is, the blueberries need to be taught how to fight. The exclusion of prototype suits doesn't train them. Yet the blueberry still doesn't have battlefield awareness. He still drops uplinks facing the wall. He still revives people in the middle of a gunfight.
While the idea is commendable, the truth is it doesn't train the blueberry anything. My coach didn't put me up against freshmens when we did tackling. They put me up against seniors in order for me to gain experience of what happens when I get on the field for a game. Coaches didn't soften up practice just for us to get a handle. Hell, our T-shirts had on em, "Go Hard or Go Home"
I don't know, I come from a different background than most. Not to say that makes me better than anybody else, that's not what I'm implying. But where I come from, the toughness is what built character and instilled skills that aren't perishable as opposed to someone getting the easy way out all the time. I see where you are coming from, but the problem is this is a video game, which is supposed to be both enjoyable and challenging, and the NPE is neither of those. It is unenjoyable and brutal for most, which is why we have few new players. What you propose is fine for real life, but this game is what most of us are doing as a temporary escape from real life, as a way to unwind after a hard day of being challenged at work, at school, or on the football field. It's fine for a game to be challenging, and everybody's idea of how "difficult" their entertainment should be to consume is different. Personally, I like whatever entertains me to challenge me on a somewhat higher level than what most people would probably consider enjoyable -- and I suspect most of the Dust/Eve community feel the same, otherwise they wouldn't be playing this game. But it can't be so difficult that a person begins to feel iike there is no progression, which is what being stomped feels like. Then it just sucks, and makes people want to do something else. And that's bad for this community.
What I'm talking about is a mindset that can be applied to all things. That "don't give up and continue the fight" type of attitude. It's nonsense to say "well this isn't real life so that doesn't apply here" when we are in competitive gaming world where winning and losing matters.
If this is just a video game, then why are we even having this discussion on prototypes? Win and losing doesn't change in both worlds.
I was talking with a guy the other day when we were doing some Caldari FW. We were discussing about the first time we arrived to New Eden and the hardships we faced. He said to me, "You know man, it takes a certain character to tough this game out. Cause, you know, you get a major whooping when you first come here and you have to take it. You just have to take it. It takes a certain strong character to make it through that. Man, there were some days I was just so pissed. But I stuck with it and I'm glad I did. It's made me a better player."
It was refreshing to hear someone view the New Eden experience objectively and truthfully.
It's a glaring problem with the gaming community as a whole and its not just with Dust. Games have progressively gotten easier to accommodate for less skilled players. I remember in my youth, the games I played then were way more difficult than games now. Games nowadays hold your hands. Pop up tutorials throughout the whole game and button icons. Yet, Demon's Souls is celebrated and acknowledged for its difficulty but ironically all games were like that back then. Folks have just grown soft.
While I do support game modes that exclude prototype suits for newer players, at the same time, I remember my first arrival here. I went through the trial by fire and it made me a not so bad mercenary. They can do the same themselves.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
164
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:31:00 -
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Well it seems the usual guys said **** this idea, triple SP "lets see which corp can be the biggest cunts" que sync FW? **** that lets que sync pubs lol, the people who play this game are pathetic and so are the devs for enabling this type of behavior =).
What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
645
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:11:00 -
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There will never be a fix where proto is removed so that players can have a private wading pool to pee in.
What can happen is Corp Battles could return and if done properly could attract these roaming squads.
Emphasis on "done properly."
Higher SP / ISK yield for higher tier competition. Not saying raise weekly cap, but getting them to achieve it faster might make them more restless in PC and if you have ever lurked the War Room you know they are itching to beat the **** out of each other.
Up and coming corps would have a proving ground outside of pubs and pfc so they wouldn't have to flex in pubs for rep.
"Because beer, that's why."
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