If heavies/sentinels want to equip light weapons they need spec into the commando role. Otherwise remove the commando role because it's pointless.

If heavies/sentinels want to equip light weapons they need spec into the commando role. Otherwise remove the commando role because it's pointless.

The Commando role isn't just "heavy with a light weapon," it's "dropsuit with 2 light weapons." They have fewer slots and less total HP, too.

Also, how many of these threads do we need?

Sentinl Heavy => Defensive and AV.
Commando Heavy => Heavy DPS.

It's not pointless wait the new skills.

I really don't see the problem with heavies carrying light weaponry and I don't get why various people want it removed...

Roles are to be fulfilled in this game to be effective. Heavys need HMGs and forge guns, not combat rifles and shotguns. Also they look like toys in the hands of heavys. Heavys should be restricted when it comes to weapon choice like mediums and scouts do. I'd love to be a scout with a assault forge gun, or boundless HMG, but they are limited.

Then should Weapons be used only by the race that makes them?

2 light weapons you say, at the cost of slots and a substantial amount of hp you say.

I don't know why you decided to phrase the way you did, but yes. I do "say," just like I "say" that water is made of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen.

Of course, if you were trying to link my statement to Mordecai's (who's a different person, despite the same avatar), he apparently thinks that the HMG doesn't count as heavy DPS.

I was highlighting that an extra light weapon slot instead does not offset the shortcomings when compared to the sentinel suit that players are using as a commando.

But the whole Commando shtick is using two light weapons, which the Sentinel can't do.
*Anti-Vehicle and Anti-Infantry in one fit (Swarms + RR)
*Close and Long range (Shotgun + RR)
*Sniper and mid-range (Sniper + CR)
The Commando is all about being able to make any combination of two light weapons to cover whatever scenarios you want. It's not about having a rifle and a big HP pool. The assaults can already do that.

Sentinels can only be heavier, slower assault suits. They can't be Commandos.

But the whole Commando shtick is using two light weapons, which the Sentinel can't do.
*Anti-Vehicle and Anti-Infantry in one fit (Swarms + RR)
*Close and Long range (Shotgun + RR)
*Sniper and mid-range (Sniper + CR)
The Commando is all about being able to make any combination of two light weapons to cover whatever scenarios you want. It's not about having a rifle and a big HP pool. The assaults can already do that.

Sentinels can only be heavier, slower assault suits. They can't be Commandos.

Also, how many of these threads do we need?

If heavies/sentinels want to equip light weapons they need spec into the commando role. Otherwise remove the commando role because it's pointless.

I agree. If not, they will be nothing but heavies after 1.8 releases......

If heavies/sentinels want to equip light weapons they need spec into the commando role. Otherwise remove the commando role because it's pointless.

This post just radiates a lack of understanding on how gameplay and balance work.

Because of balance is that I don't think heavies should be able to carry light weapons. Everything in this game has a purpose or least it is supposed to. The purpose of the heavy should be to carry heavy weapons. I know that there are only 2 heavy weapons available in the game right now. That is why CCP needs to released the remaining navy weapons. If you want to be a navy carrying light weapon than you need to go commando. That is the purpose of the commando. Of course, this is just my opinion and I am not very smart.

If they would give Heavy's as many choices in 'H' heavy weapons as Assaults have in 'L' light weapons, then why not.

Then should Weapons be used only by the race that makes them?

Then should Weapons be used only by the race that makes them?

Anyway, now that the HMG works again, I don't get why I still see heavies up close using ARs and CRs. The HMG is waaaaaay more lethal in it's optimal. Of course I can understand just wanting to mix it up once in a while. Which again, you shouldn't be disallowed from doing just because you're a heavy.

I agree. If not, they will be nothing but heavies after 1.8 releases......

Because slow moving Heavies (even Militia) can fit a proto Rail Rifle (for example) and DOUBLE their effective kill range without losing any effectiveness in CQC as they also have enough shield/armour to overcome the very slight warm up time of the RR.

Because slow moving Heavies (even Militia) can fit a proto Rail Rifle (for example) and DOUBLE their effective kill range without losing any effectiveness in CQC as they also have enough shield/armour to overcome the very slight warm up time of the RR.

That's totally a problem with heavy suits, not, y'know, a problem of the RR being overpowered.

I sometimes wonder how some of the people on these forums remember to breathe.

That's totally a problem with heavy suits, not, y'know, a problem of the RR being overpowered.

I sometimes wonder how some of the people on these forums remember to breathe.

If heavies/sentinels want to equip light weapons they need spec into the commando role. Otherwise remove the commando role because it's pointless.

Right. And this string is about Heavies fitting non-heavy weapons. The RR was one example. Get over yourself.

I hate giving this manner of nincompoopery the time of day any more than I have already, but here we go:

The reason heavies can use light and sidearm weapons in their heavy weapon slot is because the requirements to use these weapons are quite simple - hands. So why can't the other suits use heavy weapons in their light slots, you're about to cry? Because the heavy suit was designed to augment the user's own capabilities further than the other suits allowing someone using said suit to carry heavier gear while still being able to, you know, walk.

And walk we do, cryhards - we walk around at the speed of smell, whether we're using an HMG, an AR, or nova knives in our H slot, because the sentinel suit was designed specifically for the carrying of ridiculously heavy weapons that otherwise would be mounted on a vehicle - seriously, it says so right in the descriptions for them - so technically a sentinel using a light weapon is gimping himself. While that's not the case atm because of OP light weapons, that's also not the fault of the heavy suit.

As for heavies with light weapons encroaching on the territory of commandos? MEH. Logis with over 1,000hp encroach on our territory just as much - Sentinels are supposed to be the most armored suits, yet logis can do our job better than we can given the OP state of RR (and CR to a lesser extent) right now (especially if we're talking about a sentinel using a light weapon), and yet sentinels can't carry 2 light weapons even if we're not using a heavy weapon, we move slower, and our punches don't hit like a train wreck. Oh, and just in case everyone forgot, we don't get any equipment either.

It really sounds like you're whining because a heavy with an RR beat you at range OP, or worse, you were using an RR as well and couldn't beat the heavy because of the hp difference, despite the fact that hitting a heavy in the head is about as easy as throwing a rock into the ocean and hitting water, and people in lighter frames have a decided mobility advantage. You do realize you can disengage from a firefight, right? Zerging in front of the enemy's rifle barrel is not the only tactic, even though it's about the only one Dusters seem to use these days.

this sound like an issue where light weapons are more powerful then heavy weapons which is stupid. using a light weapon should be a handycap to a heavy not a buff.

thanks for reminding me how ******* broken this game is.

Because slow moving Heavies (even Militia) can fit a proto Rail Rifle (for example) and DOUBLE their effective kill range without losing any effectiveness in CQC as they also have enough shield/armour to overcome the very slight warm up time of the RR.