Remember that this is a game in development. New released games are not games in development, those are fully progressed games ready for buyers to enjoy all of its features.

I think that Dust 514 is so much more. This may sound poetic but I think that CCP is letting us experience the adventure with them. We are a part of their development. They could just tell us to f*ck off, close all Dust accounts and release the game back in 10 years and it would be ready. What would be the fun in that? We would have nothing to say about how the game develops and would just have to play it as it is.

Not everyone can be happy and that's just how it is and will always be. The only real problem I see is how hard it is to start playing. The beginners base has to be remade. Then there are the small disagreements about what is OP and what is not "nerf this" and "nerf that". It will get better, it will be fixed if something is wrong with it(exept the flaylocks apparently). = HINT;)

Just stay calm and realise that creating a computer game takes time, a lot of time if you want to do it well.

I would like to suggest to you sir that I have been here for a considerable portion of that development and that you are looking at this from the same point of view I have had for quite some time, unfortunately I also am seeing the marked improvements of other game's both performance and features whilst not in development and this one's inability to balance, polish and optimize both performance of in game weapons and equipment as well as the features which while although it is under development and known to be unfinished, were described as being part of the game through various trailers, posts and dev blogs.

I am perfectly calm sir, so much so that I request this happen. It is not that I am unhappy, it is that I consider the other games out in the market to be far superior, and with less development time invested, full games capable of so much more than what is apparent at this point in time and in the near future. CCP can only bungle on this game so much before the remaining players realize that there are other games to play that could very easily satisfy their need for combat, customization and interaction with other players. Mark my words, this needs to happen.

If this game takes 10 years to develop, then it is lost already. As for your new player experience, well I have been through it, more than once. There are several things that need work but that is the point I am making. More development resources are needed for this game to not be left in a cloud of, well, dust. If you doubt me then I would suggest looking at Destiny as an example. The launch has been pushed back to make it truly cross platform, all operating together in the same world, server and setting. I would estimate that in time this game will have enough polish. Until then consider that those of us who started playing in closed beta have already seen several iterations of the fail mechanics currently being employed and do not enjoy the wait.

Mark Jacobs brings up an interesting point in an interview with MTV Multiplayer when he says "All online games have a lifespan." I don't want to play this iteration of Dust forever, nor does the vast majority of users I would estimate. I still want to see on my console what I saw in the E3 trailer so long ago back when it was, just a beta, and as far as I am concerned, still is.

All right first of all this was not meant as an attack on you. I'm saying that this IS a game in development and I believe that this game will still be alive in 10-20 years just like EVE and we can't be so quick to judge(because so many are). New games on the market fx BF4, Ghosts and Assassins Creed 4 will be long dead in 10 years. Sure there will probably be new AC games and BF games but that's basically the companies milking every idea they get and shove it into the stew and it makes the games overall unexciting.

Dust 514 is a one of a kind game. I've been following this game for a long time to and I think that it is getting better with every month.
I'm just tired of seeing these depressing posts about how awful this game is. If it was that bad, why do people enjoy it so much and why do the whiners still play the game with passion?

Will you please name those games in development you are talking about so I can compare?

Dust does get "better" with every month but would you classify the new Tank balancing pass as better?

Just to chime in:
The 1.7 approach to tanks *is* better. You are forgetting that 1.7 was an update that dismantled the vehicle system to create an entirely new approach to balance.
Yes, they are overpowered. But they aren't broken, even if they are literally immune to non-proto swarmers.
Before that they were broken - Insane prices, paper thin armor and unlimited ammo.
The new limited clip sizes, stronger armor and cheaper prices even them out far more.

Not perfect, but the next balance pass should fix the situation.

How do we know they aren't working on these things?

You seem like you want all this to happen tomorrow, it's not. The fact that you are seeing games come out after Dust with advanced features doesn't mean much. And don't bring up what a game that hasn't been released CAN do. Just because games like Destiny and Titanfall look great means little, too many games have passed us much the same way. Remember Defiance? Worthless features, like a foul in Madden, are meaningless if they do not add to the game.

Would you rather them just shut down the game and release once they finish these things? If your answer if yes just quit and come back in 5 years...it's the exact same thing.

If your answer was no, they still have a game to maintain. Balance features and game mechanics are just as important.

What steps forward in your eyes means we are heading down the right path? The next update is huge and is very much a step in the right direction. You have to establish a base, a working game, and go forward.

How do we know they aren't working on these things?
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Part of me enjoys the fact that we're shaping a changing game. Part of me thinks that this will never be more than a box canyon shooters with customization to dropsuits. There is so much potential in this game and yet I see it squandered. I really wish that they would work with the community more with bettering it and less worrying about people who can't shoot in the first place QQing to have those issues fixed

How do we know they aren't working on these things?

[05/01/2014 23:25:08] Hans Jagerblitzen: I'm sure they will at some point
[05/01/2014 23:25:15] Hans Jagerblitzen: right now more is being planned than done

Just to chime in:
The 1.7 approach to tanks *is* better. You are forgetting that 1.7 was an update that dismantled the vehicle system to create an entirely new approach to balance.
Yes, they are overpowered. But they aren't broken, even if they are literally immune to non-proto swarmers.
Before that they were broken - Insane prices, paper thin armor and unlimited ammo.
The new limited clip sizes, stronger armor and cheaper prices even them out far more.

Not perfect, but the next balance pass should fix the situation.

Balance? CCP also had more than 3 months to get it right and on day one tanks were ramping off of hills because nitrous boosters were giving 100% boost. Yes, I concede, in 1.7 they got the concept right, but the concept could've been written on a bar napkin to get right (tanks should be effective in waves). The problem, especially with this community, is that on launch day when there are such obvious, overt, glaring, STUPIDFUCK mistakes, that we tend to lose faith in a developer. All it takes is literally 1 single test drive of the patch build to discover there's a decimal out of place. CCP doesn't do this, they just throw a bunch of **** together at the very last second and launch it, using us as its beta testers.

Yes, the approach is better, but honestly we are no closer to "balance" than we were with 1.6. CCP has no idea what direction they are taking this game, and when you see that they are buffing tanks and nerfing AV you get the pendulum swing to the other extreme.

Personally I'm wary for 1.8, they are talking about nerfing ALL weapon damage and damage mods, while at the same time increasing eHP and increasing TTK. So all the TTK QQ will have gone from "Guys when we cried TTK was too low and were just getting used to it, we only wanted a SLIGHT increase" to CCP swinging TTK wildly in the other direction where heavies will not drop and anything less than an HMG/Shotgun/sniper rifle/mass driver/LR is going to be a pea shooter.

This is how development has been with Dust for 2 years now. CCP is incapable of making Dust work. I think for three main reasons:

1) They have no prior experience with shooters.
2) They listen to the Dust community as though it's the Eve community, but the Dust community is far less capable of giving rational and functional feedback.
3) They spend too much time on balancing and not enough time on getting promised content in - PVE, Eve interaction, etc.

Expect Dust to continue to be an also ran, and slowly fade away as CCP focuses elsewhere.

Personally I'm wary for 1.8, they are talking about nerfing ALL weapon damage and damage mods, while at the same time increasing eHP and increasing TTK. So all the TTK QQ will have gone from "Guys when we cried TTK was too low and were just getting used to it, we only wanted a SLIGHT increase" to CCP swinging TTK wildly in the other direction where heavies will not drop and anything less than an HMG/Shotgun/sniper rifle/mass driver/LR is going to be a pea shooter.

Personally I'm wary for 1.8, they are talking about nerfing ALL weapon damage and damage mods, while at the same time increasing eHP and increasing TTK. So all the TTK QQ will have gone from "Guys when we cried TTK was too low and were just getting used to it, we only wanted a SLIGHT increase" to CCP swinging TTK wildly in the other direction where heavies will not drop and anything less than an HMG/Shotgun/sniper rifle/mass driver/LR is going to be a pea shooter.

On one additional side note, originally during the closed beta, players were asked if the lobby would be enough or if Open World should be pushed for development. Initial thoughts were that many people believed that the Lobby shooter style was enough to sustain the community for the foreseeable future or at least all other assets and features could be implemented.

If this is true, I weep for Dust 514...

I can get with what you're saying but I feel that CCP hardly cares at this point. They truly let the ball slip, and instead of picking it back up, they are letting it roll away.

Trash post by trash poster.

Disregard.

I doubt that the nerfs/buffs will be gamechanging. CCPs too afraid to **** off riflebabbies toting MUH 500DPS, thats the only demographic they catered to since Uprising.

I doubt that the nerfs/buffs will be gamechanging. CCPs too afraid to **** off riflebabbies toting MUH 500DPS, thats the only demographic they catered to since Uprising.

Remember that this is a game in development. New released games are not games in development, those are fully progressed games ready for buyers to enjoy all of its features.

I think that Dust 514 is so much more. This may sound poetic but I think that CCP is letting us experience the adventure with them. We are a part of their development. They could just tell us to f*ck off, close all Dust accounts and release the game back in 10 years and it would be ready. What would be the fun in that? We would have nothing to say about how the game develops and would just have to play it as it is.

Not everyone can be happy and that's just how it is and will always be. The only real problem I see is how hard it is to start playing. The beginners base has to be remade. Then there are the small disagreements about what is OP and what is not "nerf this" and "nerf that". It will get better, it will be fixed if something is wrong with it(exept the flaylocks apparently). = HINT;)

Just stay calm and realise that creating a computer game takes time, a lot of time if you want to do it well.

Here is another example of a video constructed by CCP that indicates a far greater impact in New Eden than what mercenaries enjoy, and part of the problem "One Universe//OneWar"

Or this video, that indicates we have an impact on Eve Online Fight your own War: DUST 514 E3 Trailer 2013

This is the one though that stands out as being the one that sold me on Dust 514 even after playing in the Closed Beta Dust 514 PSN Open Beta Launch Trailer . This is the game I am waiting for.

This trailer also suggests more than just 16 vs 16 Gameplay Dust 514 official Cinematic Trailer

If this is not the standard of fanboyism, I don't know what is. The beat up slogan "Dust - a game always in development" is tantamount to "Dust - a game that never happened". Btw I've said a thousand times. If it's truly in development, they should not be selling AUR.

This is how development has been with Dust for 2 years now. CCP is incapable of making Dust work. I think for three main reasons:

1) They have no prior experience with shooters.
2) They listen to the Dust community as though it's the Eve community, but the Dust community is far less capable of giving rational and functional feedback.
3) They spend too much time on balancing and not enough time on getting promised content in - PVE, Eve interaction, etc.

Expect Dust to continue to be an also ran, and slowly fade away as CCP focuses elsewhere.

Remember that this is a game in development. New released games are not games in development, those are fully progressed games ready for buyers to enjoy all of its features.

I think that Dust 514 is so much more. This may sound poetic but I think that CCP is letting us experience the adventure with them. We are a part of their development. They could just tell us to f*ck off, close all Dust accounts and release the game back in 10 years and it would be ready. What would be the fun in that? We would have nothing to say about how the game develops and would just have to play it as it is.

Not everyone can be happy and that's just how it is and will always be. The only real problem I see is how hard it is to start playing. The beginners base has to be remade. Then there are the small disagreements about what is OP and what is not "nerf this" and "nerf that". It will get better, it will be fixed if something is wrong with it(exept the flaylocks apparently). = HINT;)

Just stay calm and realise that creating a computer game takes time, a lot of time if you want to do it well.

It's easy to pick a single feature from one game, a single feature from another game, and then say that these games achieve things that DUST does not.

Honestly, I don't think you appreciate all of the things that DUST does correctly that all of the games you mentionned above do not do...

Yes there are bugs and these should be fixed (I'm specifically referring to the game crashing), but as far as unique features go, this games is years ahead of the competition.

Find one more game that does this...

1. Integration into an existing MMO game: CCP will eventually provide a richer integration, but the games are currently integrated which no other developer has done.

2. Nice multi-threaded UI: CCP has done a great job with this, you can be navigating and using the neo-com while the game is searching for battle or you are waiting for deployment.

3. Re-stocking dropsuits from battle,

4. MMO FPS including:
- Market (player market will eventually be here, but there is a market right now)
- Diverse skill tree.
- Persisted battle results.
- Corporations that allow players to own territory.

The game is not perfect, but it is the first to offer all of the above and it is normal to expect growing pains (particularly with balancing issues) with features that are a first in the industry.

The type of things that I believe we can reproach CCP for are bugs, particularly the following...
- Game crashing (at the end of matches and sometimes when starting matches)
- Voice chat bugs (sometimes the voice breaks up, the visual indicator of who is micked and speaking does not work)

The FPS game mechanics are not this game's strong suit , but they are good enough for me to enjoy the action.

I'm willing to keep playing and give CCP time to perfect the game.

As said in one of eminem songs (yes I cant believe im bringing up the douche) "YOUR TO OLD LET GO ITS OVER, NOBODY LISTENS TO TECHNO". Same can be said of vet players, bring the hate it rolls off my back.

I can get with what you're saying but I feel that CCP hardly cares at this point. They truly let the ball slip, and instead of picking it back up, they are letting it roll away.

What about the 1.8 release sounds like they're "letting it roll away"?

See even the noobs have more fun just messing around than actually fighting.
LOL noob....*puts in an 8 track and rocks out to Hells Bells*

Lol hate to be a buzz kill, been playing for over a year :p. Shouldnt be quick to judge, I just havent bothered with th forums til now.

The same can be said of you from me, ive never heard of u at all, at least u have seen me around haha. No offence intended. Also saying that I said it is putting words in my mouth like a troll, so whose the noob now.

Wish I could say, I could open them. Sadly i cant.

Nuh, dark souls2 is better.