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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:07:00 -
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Every time when i see this videos i feel like betrayed. CCP just made great thing wih ideas, but nothing else. Game isnt what they promised and i feel everything like lies, betray, false advertisement and just playing with words. And if somebody start with B*shates how Ps3 is weak system for this, just look on other games multiplayer play. They just lied about everything. If they have problem with engine, why the hack they chosed Unreal one. It whole just nothing else than mediocre game, with flat maps and bad core mechaniques all that in badly optimiyed engine. Nothing else and that is sad. I remember how i showed these trailer to my friend and how it was after. Jus disappointment.
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:12:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:poison Diego wrote:Remember that this is a game in development. New released games are not games in development, those are fully progressed games ready for buyers to enjoy all of its features.
I think that Dust 514 is so much more. This may sound poetic but I think that CCP is letting us experience the adventure with them. We are a part of their development. They could just tell us to f*ck off, close all Dust accounts and release the game back in 10 years and it would be ready. What would be the fun in that? We would have nothing to say about how the game develops and would just have to play it as it is.
Not everyone can be happy and that's just how it is and will always be. The only real problem I see is how hard it is to start playing. The beginners base has to be remade. Then there are the small disagreements about what is OP and what is not "nerf this" and "nerf that". It will get better, it will be fixed if something is wrong with it(exept the flaylocks apparently). = HINT;)
Just stay calm and realise that creating a computer game takes time, a lot of time if you want to do it well. If this is not the standard of fanboyism, I don't know what is. The beat up slogan "Dust - a game always in development" is tantamount to "Dust - a game that never happened". Btw I've said a thousand times. If it's truly in development, they should not be selling AUR.
I fully agree here. If its still something like "beta 2.0" there should not be a moneytization. Its really nice that:"dust - a game that never happened.", it reminds me how i told long time ago about their core mechanisms:"making game with unfinished core and unifxed glitches is basicaly like build hous ithout proper foundations."
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.11 05:13:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Drapedup Drippedout wrote:Sole Fenychs wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:Dust does get "better" with every month but would you classify the new Tank balancing pass as better? Just to chime in: The 1.7 approach to tanks *is* better. You are forgetting that 1.7 was an update that dismantled the vehicle system to create an entirely new approach to balance. Yes, they are overpowered. But they aren't broken, even if they are literally immune to non-proto swarmers. Before that they were broken - Insane prices, paper thin armor and unlimited ammo. The new limited clip sizes, stronger armor and cheaper prices even them out far more. Not perfect, but the next balance pass should fix the situation. Balance? CCP also had more than 3 months to get it right and on day one tanks were ramping off of hills because nitrous boosters were giving 100% boost. Yes, I concede, in 1.7 they got the concept right, but the concept could've been written on a bar napkin to get right (tanks should be effective in waves). The problem, especially with this community, is that on launch day when there are such obvious, overt, glaring, STUPIDFUCK mistakes, that we tend to lose faith in a developer. All it takes is literally 1 single test drive of the patch build to discover there's a decimal out of place. CCP doesn't do this, they just throw a bunch of **** together at the very last second and launch it, using us as its beta testers. Yes, the approach is better, but honestly we are no closer to "balance" than we were with 1.6. CCP has no idea what direction they are taking this game, and when you see that they are buffing tanks and nerfing AV you get the pendulum swing to the other extreme. Personally I'm wary for 1.8, they are talking about nerfing ALL weapon damage and damage mods, while at the same time increasing eHP and increasing TTK. So all the TTK QQ will have gone from "Guys when we cried TTK was too low and were just getting used to it, we only wanted a SLIGHT increase" to CCP swinging TTK wildly in the other direction where heavies will not drop and anything less than an HMG/Shotgun/sniper rifle/mass driver/LR is going to be a pea shooter. This is how development has been with Dust for 2 years now. CCP is incapable of making Dust work. I think for three main reasons: 1) They have no prior experience with shooters. 2) They listen to the Dust community as though it's the Eve community, but the Dust community is far less capable of giving rational and functional feedback. 3) They spend too much time on balancing and not enough time on getting promised content in - PVE, Eve interaction, etc. Expect Dust to continue to be an also ran, and slowly fade away as CCP focuses elsewhere.
I think it's all #1 really. Not so much little experience as they are just an inefficient developer with a poor team of Devs. My proof: they release stuff that stays broken for years. They nerf suff that stays broken for months to years. No hot patch fixes, no fast reaction time to make adjustments.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.11 10:19:00 -
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poison Diego wrote:Remember that this is a game in development. New released games are not games in development, those are fully progressed games ready for buyers to enjoy all of its features.
I think that Dust 514 is so much more. This may sound poetic but I think that CCP is letting us experience the adventure with them. We are a part of their development. They could just tell us to f*ck off, close all Dust accounts and release the game back in 10 years and it would be ready. What would be the fun in that? We would have nothing to say about how the game develops and would just have to play it as it is.
Not everyone can be happy and that's just how it is and will always be. The only real problem I see is how hard it is to start playing. The beginners base has to be remade. Then there are the small disagreements about what is OP and what is not "nerf this" and "nerf that". It will get better, it will be fixed if something is wrong with it(exept the flaylocks apparently). = HINT;)
Just stay calm and realise that creating a computer game takes time, a lot of time if you want to do it well.
EVE isnt for everyone. CCP knows that. i remember reading that that is one of the the reasons why they made this game. EVE has been a well-respected game for years. even some for the former players on EVE watch New Eden from a distance. Dust 514 was made so that other players could get involved in New Eden in a style they liked and were good at.
Assault Gk.0
Gallente Federation Patriot
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anaboop
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:57:00 -
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Even if the game was fully released, players that have farmed PC and have 20mil sp, will still stomp out the new players.
More features will just make matches less fun then what little fun they have now, it will be the same vet corps that have spent way to much time on dust to leave that are ruining the game, and it doesnt matter what anyone says all you do is blurt out some new crap to justify it. Get over it time to either move on, or idle til its released.
The most fun I have in a match is when your not trying to win but mucking around with fellow squad members.
Dont bother saying im right wrong blah blah, I aint reading peoples posts, waste of time :).
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Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
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Posted - 2014.03.11 16:17:00 -
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I think that, though there are visible problems, a strategy can be based on sustainability over a long period for a relatively small community (which ccp has proven to focus on with eve) versus a short term / big community strategy.
Which one is better? I guess that depends on what survives longer. Maybe with development over the long run in a slow pace, dust can deliver right that. But I think this approach is so unorthodox in the gaming world, that the expectations of the most must necessarily be violated.
I am in favor of sustainability, even with flaws. But that is for reasons of my personal moral and economical paradigm and can not be expected from your common FPS Gamer. I love the idea of maybe, though I may gonna play Destiny for some time in the future, I can come back to Dust, seeing it "blossoming up" month by month. Being developed and EVE-integrated one inch at a time. Something to look forward to for the next 10 years. That would be really cool. I hope the strategy doesn't defeat itself and ccp goes bankrupt on the way. |
Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.11 19:26:00 -
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Unfortunately for everyone at this point, those of us who have suffered through the worst and best so far, CCP cannot go back to re-release the game with all the stuff in place that "should" have been in place upon uprising launch. I am of the firm opinion that the sustainable approach is to get the main assets into play such as market, PVE, suits, weapons that are all class and race specific and then for the remainder of the 10 year plan to tweak and add to it rather than just continuously nerf/buff the same things over and over again until the QQ stops.
Much of Eve's success seems to stem from the addition of new unpromised goodies each patch rather than the promises of something "soon" then an extremely long (new console to next console) delivery time on the assets. Imagine if General Motors were to market a new hub system that allowed you to put quick release rims on your corvette. They manufacture the special studs that allow this system to work but don't have time to produce the special lug nuts to go along with them so instead install the standard studs (not quick release) and give you a bag for your glove compartment of the quick release studs which sometime soon can replace the standard ones currently on the corvette. Considering the marketing strategy, I would believe that some of their customers if not all of them would be upset.
TLDR, improve the relationship with the community by producing results not promises.
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Duke Noobiam
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.12 14:15:00 -
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It's easy to pick a single feature from one game, a single feature from another game, and then say that these games achieve things that DUST does not.
Honestly, I don't think you appreciate all of the things that DUST does correctly that all of the games you mentionned above do not do...
Yes there are bugs and these should be fixed (I'm specifically referring to the game crashing), but as far as unique features go, this games is years ahead of the competition.
Find one more game that does this...
1. Integration into an existing MMO game: CCP will eventually provide a richer integration, but the games are currently integrated which no other developer has done.
2. Nice multi-threaded UI: CCP has done a great job with this, you can be navigating and using the neo-com while the game is searching for battle or you are waiting for deployment.
3. Re-stocking dropsuits from battle,
4. MMO FPS including: - Market (player market will eventually be here, but there is a market right now) - Diverse skill tree. - Persisted battle results. - Corporations that allow players to own territory.
The game is not perfect, but it is the first to offer all of the above and it is normal to expect growing pains (particularly with balancing issues) with features that are a first in the industry.
The type of things that I believe we can reproach CCP for are bugs, particularly the following... - Game crashing (at the end of matches and sometimes when starting matches) - Voice chat bugs (sometimes the voice breaks up, the visual indicator of who is micked and speaking does not work)
When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:17:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:It's easy to pick a single feature from one game, a single feature from another game, and then say that these games achieve things that DUST does not.
Honestly, I don't think you appreciate all of the things that DUST does correctly that all of the games you mentionned above do not do...
Yes there are bugs and these should be fixed (I'm specifically referring to the game crashing), but as far as unique features go, this games is years ahead of the competition.
Find one more game that does this...
1. Integration into an existing MMO game: CCP will eventually provide a richer integration, but the games are currently integrated which no other developer has done.
2. Nice multi-threaded UI: CCP has done a great job with this, you can be navigating and using the neo-com while the game is searching for battle or you are waiting for deployment.
3. Re-stocking dropsuits from battle,
4. MMO FPS including: - Market (player market will eventually be here, but there is a market right now) - Diverse skill tree. - Persisted battle results. - Corporations that allow players to own territory.
The game is not perfect, but it is the first to offer all of the above and it is normal to expect growing pains (particularly with balancing issues) with features that are a first in the industry.
The type of things that I believe we can reproach CCP for are bugs, particularly the following... - Game crashing (at the end of matches and sometimes when starting matches) - Voice chat bugs (sometimes the voice breaks up, the visual indicator of who is micked and speaking does not work)
The FPS game mechanics are not this game's strong suit , but they are good enough for me to enjoy the action.
I'm willing to keep playing and give CCP time to perfect the game. You're selling the videos sir. If I were just an Eve player, the only way I would actually notice a Dust player is if they were to contact me specifically. Running on the same server does not indicate integration, merely convenience.
I admit the multithreaded UI is nice but by itself is only a feature if everything else works ok. Yesterday scotty went on strike, and refused to deploy many mercs to battle.
Not deploying wouldn't be a big deal if we had a player market but right now...
I'm sorry if at the moment I miss the MMO and RPG parts of the game when I log in each night but the problem with coming soon is that the promise of something in the future is there. It was tangible as a dream, enough so to script it into a trailer, so why is it that right now the only difference between this and COD BO2 is the market and player vehicles? Time? Balance?
One Universe::One War was a slogan used for planetary conquest, but atm it is nothing more than a poor attempt to upsell the integration between the 2 games which is grossly underdeveloped...we don't matter one bit to the average Eve player. In fact the only war going on is the actual district Dust side fighting. The war in space? Does not affect the outcome of the battle in the least (short of a new OB pilot), and if we were to fight our wars without eve support we wouldn't suffer for it.
Idk what reason there is for the lack of developing the other parts of the game, heck idk why they have taken this long for asset (racial suits etc) delivery. All I can do is ask them to finish what they started.
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:31:00 -
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anaboop wrote: The most fun I have in a match is when your not trying to win but mucking around with fellow squad members.
See even the noobs have more fun just messing around than actually fighting.
anaboop wrote: As said in one of eminem songs (yes I cant believe im bringing up the douche) "YOUR TO OLD LET GO ITS OVER, NOBODY LISTENS TO TECHNO". Same can be said of vet players, bring the hate it rolls off my back.
LOL noob....*puts in an 8 track and rocks out to Hells Bells*
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:34:00 -
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Pete B wrote:I can get with what you're saying but I feel that CCP hardly cares at this point. They truly let the ball slip, and instead of picking it back up, they are letting it roll away.
What about the 1.8 release sounds like they're "letting it roll away"?
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
828
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:13:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Pete B wrote:I can get with what you're saying but I feel that CCP hardly cares at this point. They truly let the ball slip, and instead of picking it back up, they are letting it roll away. What about the 1.8 release sounds like they're "letting it roll away"? Sounds like a scramble on the floor greased pig style
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anaboop
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:22:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:anaboop wrote: The most fun I have in a match is when your not trying to win but mucking around with fellow squad members.
See even the noobs have more fun just messing around than actually fighting. anaboop wrote: As said in one of eminem songs (yes I cant believe im bringing up the douche) "YOUR TO OLD LET GO ITS OVER, NOBODY LISTENS TO TECHNO". Same can be said of vet players, bring the hate it rolls off my back.
LOL noob....*puts in an 8 track and rocks out to Hells Bells*
Lol hate to be a buzz kill, been playing for over a year :p. Shouldnt be quick to judge, I just havent bothered with th forums til now. |
Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:22:00 -
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anaboop wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:anaboop wrote: The most fun I have in a match is when your not trying to win but mucking around with fellow squad members.
See even the noobs have more fun just messing around than actually fighting. anaboop wrote: As said in one of eminem songs (yes I cant believe im bringing up the douche) "YOUR TO OLD LET GO ITS OVER, NOBODY LISTENS TO TECHNO". Same can be said of vet players, bring the hate it rolls off my back.
LOL noob....*puts in an 8 track and rocks out to Hells Bells* Lol hate to be a buzz kill, been playing for over a year :p. Shouldnt be quick to judge, I just havent bothered with th forums til now. Yeah I've seen you around, but considering there seems to be little new blood, what really is a noob, only a year in you count. Gotta say you are the one suggesting you're a noob I'm just agreeing.
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anaboop
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:22:00 -
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The same can be said of you from me, ive never heard of u at all, at least u have seen me around haha. No offence intended. Also saying that I said it is putting words in my mouth like a troll, so whose the noob now. |
Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
829
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Posted - 2014.03.13 01:25:00 -
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anaboop wrote:The same can be said of you from me, ive never heard of u at all, at least u have seen me around haha. No offence intended. Also saying that I said it is putting words in my mouth like a troll, so whose the noob now. where'd my goat go?
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anaboop
NECROM0NGERS
5
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:10:00 -
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Wish I could say, I could open them. Sadly i cant. |
Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:15:00 -
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anaboop wrote:Wish I could say, I could open them. Sadly i cant. Go play some dust so i can shoot you in the face
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anaboop
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2014.03.13 08:08:00 -
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Nuh, dark souls2 is better. |
Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
829
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:13:00 -
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anaboop wrote:Nuh, dark souls2 is better. The trailers for this game only line up marginally with it, false advertising is usually something that gets a company in major trouble, in this case people are putting money into a game even though they know very little is as CCP has said it would be in their trailers, speeches and even in discussions on these forums...one of the main reasons I am assuming they don't comment much anymore.
Balance == Nerf Buff == Nerf Tweak == Nerf Adjust == do something that they promised over a year ago and forgot about New Item == new skin that has a slight change in the color New Feature == something you or I have asked for as a basic part of many FPS games on the market New Weapon == New FOTM buy it
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