Just proves my point that an entire squad, dedicated to taking out a tank couldn't do it... And you say, "AV is working fine"

Double standard or ADD ?!

In that match i was close to losing my tank several times, that is under 1k HP

The AV alone kept me off the bridge mostly and in the end i couldnt go near it - That for me is working as intended, area denial at its best and if i had ****** up or used a diff setup or hull i could have been popped easily enough

All i can say about your tank is that, it's a pain in the Ass. lol But look at it this way, we have about 6-7 guys trying to do AV. We wouldn't be able TO DO SO, if your blue dots were even half way decent. Shouldn't take 7 guys with AVs to do area denial. Never gonna win a match if the red dot's have even decent infantry, forget about good ones.

Thats the nature of pubs, you were able to so, some other days you wont have that chance, against bad vehicle pilots you would have had a host of kills and for us against bad infantry we would have racked up the kills

Take PC, maybe 1 or 2 FG about if that, generally the tanks will duel with each other while infantry will duel with each other and whoever tanks are left standing can then help there infantry to push somewhere

Pubs matchmaking is basically nonexistant, you roll the dice

Match making is garbage we all know that...

But you got me once, but i was in assault suit. I died 3 more times from ARs and such, trying to cross the bridge with AV fit.
3 AV fit = 450K

The other swarmer died twice with AV fit 400K (Cal Logi)

FG died once in full Proto ; Probably around 200k

Tanks probably lost 2 : costs should be similar.

All for area denial?!

I wouldn't have to cross the bridge and die 3 times if I had a decent enough range. I tank too. I can sit and eat swarms like candy's... But to spend that much SP into swarms for just lulz is my problem...

Point is AVs Job is to Kill tanks not tickle them, The same way a tanks job is to kill AV, infantry and everything else. Currently only one is doing what they are supposed to. The other one is not... It's just watching the show...

Who says that?

In an ideal world AV will kill all vehicles and all the infantry will rejoice

This is not an ideal world

Some games it will be area denial and be second best to a tank

Infantry have got sloppy, they are not happy if the vehicle is denied an area, it has to die all the time as soon as they see it but they dont work for it, most AV i see stands in one spot or around the same area and complains when it drives away which is mainly due to the last 6months of locking on fire and it dies

If you want to kill it now you have to at least put some effort into it

Foggy pilots can't understand why anybody would not skill into tanks, and can't figure out why this isn't World Of Tanks In Space.

Who says that?

In an ideal world AV will kill all vehicles and all the infantry will rejoice

This is not an ideal world

Some games it will be area denial and be second best to a tank

Infantry have got sloppy, they are not happy if the vehicle is denied an area, it has to die all the time as soon as they see it but they dont work for it, most AV i see stands in one spot or around the same area and complains when it drives away which is mainly due to the last 6months of locking on fire and it dies

If you want to kill it now you have to at least put some effort into it

That's true. I don't wanna change anything about tanks right now. What i do need is AV updates. they don't need to be 1.7 stats. Those were a bit too Powerful. May be if we have Proto Hulls we can use the 1.7 stats. But for now, the Range increase in Swarms is a must. The current state makes it useless...

Proto hulls i would like, i can dream at least but we seem to have std basic hulls and thats it since they took away every other specialized hull

200m because the OCD in me cant deal with 175m unless CCP decides to make it more for DS/ADS/Logi DS in the future but also its limited range due to size of the maps and maybe also due to various bugs such as invisible swarms (rendering) and maybe tracking like around corners from longer ranges

Use the railguns on the field. They make me tuck tail and run.

Then again, the AI controlling them is better than infantry is at destroying tanks.

Infantry, get gud. Computers are better than you. How can you let a machine be better than you?

Who says that?

In an ideal world AV will kill all vehicles and all the infantry will rejoice

This is not an ideal world

Some games it will be area denial and be second best to a tank

Infantry have got sloppy, they are not happy if the vehicle is denied an area, it has to die all the time as soon as they see it but they dont work for it, most AV i see stands in one spot or around the same area and complains when it drives away which is mainly due to the last 6months of locking on fire and it dies

If you want to kill it now you have to at least put some effort into it

Use the railguns on the field. They make me tuck tail and run.

Then again, the AI controlling them is better than infantry is at destroying tanks.

Infantry, get gud. Computers are better than you. How can you let a machine be better than you?

All i can say about your tank is that, it's a pain in the Ass. lol But look at it this way, we have about 6-7 guys trying to do AV. We wouldn't be able TO DO SO, if your blue dots were even half way decent. Shouldn't take 7 guys with AVs to do area denial. Never gonna win a match if the red dot's have even decent infantry, forget about good ones.

Did Takahiro just lay out the rationale for HAVs being restricted to PC and FW?

lolno

If you ban vehicles in pubs then you would have to ban AV but also it would render ppls playstyles useless because they could not use em in pubs and that is not fair on them

Go back to cod if you want no vehicles

Go back to World of Tanks if you want Tank only battles and the only counter to Tanks being other Tanks

This game is both Tanks and Infantry .. If 1 person in a Tank forces 3 other people to have to change the way that they play just because you have called a Tank in why shouldn't you have to change your play style when 1 person calls in AV ?

Tanker Logic .. Sigh ..

All anyone wants is balance .. right now there is no balance between Tanks and AV ..

I honestly hope 1.8 introduces MAV's that require 3 tanks to take 1 out and that 6 people spam them in a match which requires 18 people on the other side to have to switch into Tanks to deal with them however that isn;t possible because player numbers are restricted to 16 and vehicle limits are restricted to 7 and lets see how you deal with something like that ...

lolno

If you ban vehicles in pubs then you would have to ban AV but also it would render ppls playstyles useless because they could not use em in pubs and that is not fair on them

Go back to cod if you want no vehicles

lol

You yourself have made excuses as to why vehicles are balanced for PC and FW, but broken in PUBs, yet you also insist that this is perfectly fine; and that we just shouldn't play PUBs because of "matchmaking."

So if you are going to allow things to be broken in a game-mode, but balanced for another; you have to remove the imbalance from that gamemode. This creates balance (not that balance is something you actually want).

Not sure why I'd bring out my Anti-Vehicle equipment when there are no vehicles to Anti.

I do play WOT, good game but arty is ******* stupid and scouts always lemming at the start

If you need 3ppl for 1 tank then meh, i can solo most tanks since they are milita crap, get 2ppl and its dead for any tank, 3 is overkill but to say you need 9ppl to kill 3 tanks is wrong

All you need is to use the same 3AV players and then pick a tank and kill it and move onto the next, its not hard except for 99% of the community it actually is

How can you let a machine be better than you?

No the hard part is that we don't have enough range to shoot past the other 11 players running infantry, or the speed to catch up to you when you run away.

And 2-3 people is not overkill, you need the initial salvo to all be spot on and crush them. Once hardeners go up the tank survives like 75% of the time. A militia tank can easily take 2 advance AV, just pop hardeners and run away at 4x tier speed.

The math should be. 2 militia av=one militia tank, 2 basic= basic tank, so n and so for the.
Right now its 2 advance AV= a militia tank with a crappy driver.

You can run faster than your car?

I do play WOT, good game but arty is ******* stupid and scouts always lemming at the start

If you need 3ppl for 1 tank then meh, i can solo most tanks since they are milita crap, get 2ppl and its dead for any tank, 3 is overkill but to say you need 9ppl to kill 3 tanks is wrong

All you need is to use the same 3AV players and then pick a tank and kill it and move onto the next, its not hard except for 99% of the community it actually is