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knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 815	Posted - 2014.01.15 02:31:00 - [1] - Quote remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" were not that much of a threat compared to others especially if we didn't have a side-arm. our side-arm is our second best friend (sometimes first) and we would be a lot more defenseless and weaker than we already are and whats the point in removing side arms if we like using scout weapons like KN's and flaylocks , it just wouldn't make sense in doing this Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2921	Posted - 2014.01.15 02:35:00 - [2] - Quote I say give scouts 2 equipment slots, keep everything else the same and call it a buff. Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 906	Posted - 2014.01.15 02:41:00 - [3] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10001	Posted - 2014.01.15 02:43:00 - [4] - Quote I'm more concerned with the cloaking bonus honestly. It makes it so you have to get into proto to actually benefit from the reduction above logi suits, and it's a direct nerf to lower level scouts since they lose out on their original scout bonus. The reduction to cloak fitting should be inherent to all scout suits, and have nothing to do with how many ranks you have in scouts. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 504	Posted - 2014.01.15 02:45:00 - [5] - Quote I still think there should be a Covert Ops class (current scout) and Scout class (single weapon, more Intel-based, 1 light weapon, 2 equipments). This way everybody's happy.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2857	Posted - 2014.01.15 02:47:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm more concerned with the cloaking bonus honestly. It makes it so you have to get into proto to actually benefit from the reduction above logi suits, and it's a direct nerf to lower level scouts since they lose out on their original scout bonus. The reduction to cloak fitting should be inherent to all scout suits, and have nothing to do with how many ranks you have in scouts. You can survive as a scout without a cloak. You could argue that the current skill progression of dampening for the scout suit is actually worse than this new one as currently a new scout can't beat most scanners which leads to certain death. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2011	Posted - 2014.01.15 02:58:00 - [7] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I still think there should be a Covert Ops class (current scout) and Scout class (single weapon, more Intel-based, 1 light weapon, 2 equipments). This way everybody's happy. I like this... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Scout Registry 526	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:03:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. Thanks for the update, CCP_Saberwing. This is excellent news. o7 scouts say no to quid pro quo
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 22	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:15:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. In total agreement. I hope you don't remove the scouts side arm. They honestly don't need the extra nerf. Lets see how cloaking turns out first.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5098	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:33:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. The part you left out is they are now considering removing the grenade instead, which would be even worse. Why do scouts need to lose anything to gain the cloak (and thus second equipment)? I thought the whole point of adding the cloak was because you needed to make scouts better, so why do they need to trade anything? ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open

Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4619	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:33:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. Proof the CPM listens. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1581	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:37:00 - [12] - Quote I still say you either make 2 races have the type 2s, and 2 "regular" scouts, or have both for every race. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior level 1
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4620	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:44:00 - [13] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: I still say you either make 2 races have the type 2s, and 2 have "regular" scouts, or have both for every race. I don't see a reason for it. Just adding more suits that need to be balanced out. Would give us 32 scouts if you include all races and all tiers. I don't think anyone wants to spend such a large amount of time trying to ticker with them all until they're in the right place Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 227	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:48:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. You know more and more people are really starting to like CCP for these "blue tags" its nice to post on the "serous" forums. Thanks for putting in some input into whats going on. I think this little updates are what people having been asking for. Its better then just being in the dark of whats going on. Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1582	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:49:00 - [15] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: I still say you either make 2 races have the type 2s, and 2 have "regular" scouts, or have both for every race. I don't see a reason for it. Just adding more suits that need to be balanced out. Would give us 32 scouts if you include all races and all tiers. I don't think anyone wants to spend such a large amount of time trying to ticker with them all until they're in the right place Fair enough, but how about going half and half racially, collecting data and seeing which scout type "wins" (by various metrics)? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior level 1
Outer Raven Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 111	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:28:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. I agree with this sentiment. +2 ___-öGûêGûêGêƒ________________ GûêGûêGûêGòÜGûêa»½GòáGûê Gûæ Gûæ Gûæ Gûæ Gûæ Gûæ Gûæ GûÆ PEW ¯¯GùÑGò¥GûêGûêGùñ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 248	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:34:00 - [17] - Quote well if they remove the sidearm slot ill still be running a pistol...just have to not carry my plasma cannon anymore v.v Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 39	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:42:00 - [18] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I still think there should be a Covert Ops class (current scout) and Scout class (single weapon, more Intel-based, 1 light weapon, 2 equipments). This way everybody's happy. No, because current Scouts now still need that extra equipment. Scouts have needed it since May. Scouts need to get the extra equipment, and then need to be carefully buffed and balanced around whatever everything else gets done in 1.8, without relying on the cloak to do it.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 8	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:46:00 - [19] - Quote You should implement mutable weapon slots , assault CAN get light plus side arms, scouts can have light or two side arms. It would pav+¬ the way to dual pistols, would not be that hard as +á game programmer myself,just sayin....
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6438	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:53:00 - [20] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. The part you left out is they are now considering removing the grenade instead, which would be even worse. Why do scouts need to lose anything to gain the cloak (and thus second equipment)? I thought the whole point of adding the cloak was because you needed to make scouts better, so why do they need to trade anything? Where was this posted? I didn't see anything about removing grenade slots. Link please? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 931	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:09:00 - [21] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Where was this posted? I didn't see anything about removing grenade slots. Link please? I'm not sure where/if this was publicly posted - the conversation only took place yesterday in a CPM meeting with the Design team. :) CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6439	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:13:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Where was this posted? I didn't see anything about removing grenade slots. Link please? I'm not sure where/if this was publicly posted - the conversation only took place yesterday in a CPM meeting with the Design team. :) OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1990	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:15:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. Yay! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12093	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:34:00 - [24] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. The part you left out is they are now considering removing the grenade instead, which would be even worse. Why do scouts need to lose anything to gain the cloak (and thus second equipment)? I thought the whole point of adding the cloak was because you needed to make scouts better, so why do they need to trade anything? I did not state anything about 'the way things are' when it came to scouts, I am not that totally irresponsible. I asked the scouts over on the board on their thoughts about if it came down to trading 'what if' grenade slot instead? It was met with equally valuable opinions (I do not go by numbers but by logic) Since then I backed off that option as the argument for grenades where equally useful in the advent just as useful as the flux grenades appeared in the future and pushing for just adding an equipment slot just for the heck of it at no trade. There was a reason why it was time critical statement then the other day on the board. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5109	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:40:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. The part you left out is they are now considering removing the grenade instead, which would be even worse. Why do scouts need to lose anything to gain the cloak (and thus second equipment)? I thought the whole point of adding the cloak was because you needed to make scouts better, so why do they need to trade anything? I did not state anything about 'the way things are' when it came to scouts, I am not that totally irresponsible. I asked the scouts over on the board on their thoughts about if it came down to trading 'what if' grenade slot instead? It was met with equally valuable opinions (I do not go by numbers but by logic) Since then I backed off that option as the argument for grenades where equally useful in the advent just as useful as the flux grenades appeared in the future and pushing for just adding an equipment slot just for the heck of it at no trade. There was a reason why it was time critical statement then the other day on the board. I never said anything about you IWS, and I never said that the grenade slot is now getting taken away, I said it was being considered. And truthfully, that doesn't mean a whole lot since a lot of things get considered. But yes, I applaud you for taking a firm stance on this issue. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4622	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:46:00 - [26] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: I still say you either make 2 races have the type 2s, and 2 have "regular" scouts, or have both for every race. I don't see a reason for it. Just adding more suits that need to be balanced out. Would give us 32 scouts if you include all races and all tiers. I don't think anyone wants to spend such a large amount of time trying to ticker with them all until they're in the right place Fair enough, but how about going half and half racially, collecting data and seeing which scout type "wins" (by various metrics)? Because there are more variables tied with each race than that. A suit "winning" could be for any number of reasons - higher base shields/armor, more low/high slots, better speed/stamina... There are a plethora of reasons that the suit could perform well against it's racial competitors. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 824	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:53:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. Can you guys setup a test server for a week or two when you guys start getting the suit stuff finalized? Even offering a tournament or squad cup on the test server with the new suits so we could do any kind of pre-testing before general population implementation... At least some kind of testing in extreme circumstances on massive re-balancing and content additions, or a plan to setup some way to have a test group. We can talk all day and theory craft on paper, the best way we can work out the massive balance issues that can be adjusted before general implementation. Is testing it out in some kind of extreme controlled competitive environment that can be monitored in-house within a day or two, Like a Tournament or squad cup.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12101	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:17:00 - [28] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: knight guard fury wrote: remove the sidearm slot from scouts. i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it" The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon. The part you left out is they are now considering removing the grenade instead, which would be even worse. Why do scouts need to lose anything to gain the cloak (and thus second equipment)? I thought the whole point of adding the cloak was because you needed to make scouts better, so why do they need to trade anything? I did not state anything about 'the way things are' when it came to scouts, I am not that totally irresponsible. I asked the scouts over on the board on their thoughts about if it came down to trading 'what if' grenade slot instead? It was met with equally valuable opinions (I do not go by numbers but by logic) Since then I backed off that option as the argument for grenades where equally useful in the advent just as useful as the flux grenades appeared in the future and pushing for just adding an equipment slot just for the heck of it at no trade. There was a reason why it was time critical statement then the other day on the board. I never said anything about you IWS, and I never said that the grenade slot is now getting taken away, I said it was being considered. And truthfully, that doesn't mean a whole lot since a lot of things get considered. But yes, I applaud you for taking a firm stance on this issue. No but word of mouth distorts things easily. Send a horse through 50 people and it comes out to be a my little pony voodoo zebra that rhymes every time it talks at the end. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 210	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:27:00 - [29] - Quote I never would have taken IWS as a Brony... Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 39	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:02:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I asked the scouts over on the board on their thoughts about if it came down to trading 'what if' grenade slot instead? It was met with equally valuable opinions (I do not go by numbers but by logic) Since then I backed off that option as the argument for grenades where equally useful in the advent just as useful as the flux grenades appeared in the future and pushing for just adding an equipment slot just for the heck of it at no trade. There was a reason why it was time critical statement then the other day on the board. It was a silly option anyway, as Scouts 'trading' something shouldn't even be on the table.



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