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Posted - 2014.01.15 03:03:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:knight guard fury wrote:remove the sidearm slot from scouts.
i heard from some people that you said you were "thinking about it"
The CPM held a discussion with both Remnant and Wolfman yesterday -- there's still a lot of discussion around this point so nothing's confirmed at all. The CPM in fact argued against removing sidearms from scouts - as they believe with the introduction of cloaking - it would be a healthy complement to be able to equip both Nova Knives and another weapon.
Thanks for the update, CCP_Saberwing.
This is excellent news.
o7
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Posted - 2014.01.15 09:50:00 -
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@ Maken Tosch
The sidearm removal announcement was received not unlike a kick in the pants after a long wait in queue. There was much gnashing of teeth in the Scout Registry. IWS responded to our lamenting with a devil's bargain ... if you had to forfeit something, would you prefer to forfeit your left nut or right nut your sidearm or grenade slot?
@ IWS
Thanks again for intervening on our behalf. We will continue to hold the line, to say no to quid pro quo, and to wait with fingers crossed for future good news. Come what may, your efforts will not be forgotten.
@ Fire, Aeon, Aero, ANON, Raven, Jotun, Korvin
Thank you gentlemen for your support. It is good to see that our perspectives are in harmony.
@ Joel, Killar, John, Auris
Kindly consider that we Scouts are too few in number and the Devs' time is in too short supply to warrant 8+ variations of Scout. We have waited since Uprising 1.0 for the Devs to rebalance two (2) variants. Imagine how long we'd have to wait if a fix were ordered for 8! Adding complexity to the problem only makes a problem more complex.
@ Heavenly
Most would agree that since Chrome, the Scout has been underpowered and the Logi has been overpowered. Most would agree that the two suits could not be weighed as equal in any build of Uprising. Most would agree that what you are asking for today is akin to further gimping an already gimped suit.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:12:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Joel II X wrote:I still think there should be a Covert Ops class (current scout) and Scout class (single weapon, more Intel-based, 1 light weapon, 2 equipments).
This way everybody's happy. I agree. why not make the current light frame single weapon 2 equipment slots as the basic intel/scout suit and change the current scout into covert ops with cloaking bonus.
:: Turns to Scout ::
This man has a question for you. Would you prefer to have one decent suit or two watered down suits?
:: Turns to McReady ::
There's your reason. I'm sorry that you got stabbed.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:44:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:
Everyone wants two equipments to run a cloak and something else so they wouldn't have to sacrifice anything but CPU and PG to have fun with their new toy. That's what's broken, in my opinion.
I don't think that the above thinking is broken at all.
A quick recap ...
Scouts were guilty of bullet weaving (taking advantage of bad hit detection) in Chrome.
For this sin, we paid steep price. Every aspect of our suit was nerfed. Seriously. Every aspect.
The left side of the equation was addressed:
Hit detection's fixed. Aim assist is on. Bullet weaving is gone. Speed tanking is dead.
The right side of the equation -- however -- remains unaddressed:
So Scouts have waited 8 builds for nerf reversal / reduction (a.k.a. Dev Hugs) which has yet to come.
Dev Hugs could've been another Hi Slot for Gallente or Lo Slot for Minmatar.
Dev Hugs could've been a huge boost to mobility, speed and stamina.
Dev Hugs could've been any number or combination of things.
But the Devs chose to Hug us with Cloak. It has been decided.
The Devs could've built cloak into the Scout Suit; Hugs delivered, equation solved, no debate.
The Devs chose against this option. We now have two crowds:
The pre-nerf crowd says the Scout should have to trade something valuable for their upcoming Hug.
The no-nerf crowd -- which includes Scouts -- says no quid pro quo. You would too in our shoes.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:20:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:I don't know if this thread is genuine or not but if the sidearms are removed form scouts I think it's a good thing.
Logi's have no sidearms because it benefits the logo's in equipment and the odd case who does sacrifices other slots.
The same should therefore also apply to scouts, they want speed and manoeuvrability so removing the sidearm or light weapon make a great deal of sense.
Remove a weapons from scouts.
Hardly, why gimp an already underperforming suit. The speed advantage is not a glorious one (and should the minni Assault lose the siedarm as well? He is also faster) the only advantages a scout currently have are mobility (not speed as i said the difference is not very high) and the lower profile (which is countered by active scanners  ). For these two advantages he gives lots HP, CPU, Slots compared to the other frames... Seriously how does it gimp the suit? Logistics suit's (Amarr exception) Have been THE slayer suits for 8 months... and they have only ever had one weapon slot. It doesn't ruin your killing potential in anyway. Having the extra equipment slot will improve the utility of a scout which is much more valuable then a secondary weapon incase of an emergency... Being able to run multiple equipment is a FAR FAR better choice for scouts then having an emergency backup weapon. Even fitting the sidearms on already fitting challenged suits can be extremely hard let alone with cloaks coming out... freeing up this extra fitting requirements that are used somewhat rarely compared to main hand weapons would also be good for the class. IMO, All scouts should have built in nova knifes but the whole Nova knife concept in DUST, is just done.... weird.
I've been a Scout every day for the past 29 Million SP.
Myself and many others have been waiting for Dev Hugs since Day 1 of Uprising.
You are not a Scout.
So who the f*ck are you to tell us what they do and do not need?
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