Matchmaking is a genuine pain point for us right now and is something we'd love to get sorted. I don't have any specific updates other than to let you guys know that we're aware of the issues and want to rectify them.

I firmly believe the Academy should be optional and also SP based when it comes to graduation. 3-5 Mil SP would be a good range.

But with that being said, CCP has made some strides to making new players more welcomed...Take Faction Warfare for instance. Getting to Proto is always hard for new players but with the Loyalty Point(LP) equipment, you can buy Proto gear with Lvl 3 skills. It makes the grind easier because you're not stuck with what you actually have and can stand closer to those vets.


Also. If you're looking to actually become a better player much quicker than soloing all the time, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=135609&find=unread

Matchmaking is a genuine pain point for us right now and is something we'd love to get sorted. I don't have any specific updates other than to let you guys know that we're aware of the issues and want to rectify them.

I would suggest having matches for only Basic suits and matches for adv and proto suits. One can decide which match to join.
This way newbies can play against each other and veterans are forced to use lower tier suits if they want to fight along and make some isk.

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I had suggested what you should do to handle match making.

step 1 - remove pub matches in their current form.

step 2 - have the system randomly generate games for players to choose from, the player will look at the open contracts evaluate the pay outs for winning and losing and pick the game they wish to fight in. the higher payout matches should have a lower security rating, this doesn't actually do anything but should help new players understand these fights will have better players.

step 3 - as the games fill up have the system generate more games, this handles low player population making sure theirs exactly enough games for the player base to handle.

side notes and ideas -

1) players should be able to see exactly what the rewards will be, I.E they will know the payout for fighting in X match will be a 350k bonus for winning, and 1 thale for the top scorer. losing will pay out 150k.( this can still be modified by the current system that is applied, via war points, i.e a game may pay out 4 million to the team, the guy who scores 0 wp gets none of it. )

2) joining an in progress match on the losing side will come with bonuses if you win, call it a calvary bonus, you can see the bonus listed maybe it's a balac's gar if you join and the losing team and it results in a win.

this puts match making in the hands of the players, and gives you a lot more control in balancing the games. sure pro players could join a match that is only paying out 50k for the win, but he's not going to get much from it, he could just join the match paying out a million.

it's not perfect but it's a step in the right direction, and you could take further steps in helping that, applying gear restrictions to security rankings, and other stuff to help push pro players into the upper tiered matches.

yesterday running solo i was fighting the same corp over and over again with the same people on the other side. usally two full stacked squads. and im an average player and i was top of my teams board 95% of the time and we lost match after match being stomped into the dirt.

I had suggested what you should do to handle match making.

step 1 - remove pub matches in their current form.

step 2 - have the system randomly generate games for players to choose from, the player will look at the open contracts evaluate the pay outs for winning and losing and pick the game they wish to fight in. the higher payout matches should have a lower security rating, this doesn't actually do anything but should help new players understand these fights will have better players.

step 3 - as the games fill up have the system generate more games, this handles low player population making sure theirs exactly enough games for the player base to handle.

side notes and ideas -

1) players should be able to see exactly what the rewards will be, I.E they will know the payout for fighting in X match will be a 350k bonus for winning, and 1 thale for the top scorer. losing will pay out 150k.( this can still be modified by the current system that is applied, via war points, i.e a game may pay out 4 million to the team, the guy who scores 0 wp gets none of it. )

2) joining an in progress match on the losing side will come with bonuses if you win, call it a calvary bonus, you can see the bonus listed maybe it's a balac's gar if you join and the losing team and it results in a win.

this puts match making in the hands of the players, and gives you a lot more control in balancing the games. sure pro players could join a match that is only paying out 50k for the win, but he's not going to get much from it, he could just join the match paying out a million.

it's not perfect but it's a step in the right direction, and you could take further steps in helping that, applying gear restrictions to security rankings, and other stuff to help push pro players into the upper tiered matches.

I know it's hard to do matchmaking when no one is playing the game but consistently stacking organized squads against randoms is just too cruel. Scotty is a true a fascist.

Organize into squads yourself then. That goes for all of you crybabies who ***** about getting dominated by people who play in squads.

If you join a public match but refuse to use the squad finder or "lfs" then getting stomped by a squad or two squads of organized players is well deserved.

There's a reason why there are so many warpoint bonuses for activities that help other members of your team (healing, repairing, using scanners, dropping uplinks etc.) it's because you're SUPPOSED to play AS A TEAM and not run solo.

So stop bitching about getting owned by players who play the way the game is meant to be played because they aren't doing anything wrong, YOU ARE!

Lallallaa. I don't for the life of me understand how could you not make it so that if there's 2 squads queuing for the battle, YOU PUT THEM ON OPPOSITE SIDES.

But nooooooo, let's put them on the same side against npc corps

Or something along those lines. Just open the game up, instead of it being more or less a lobby shooter, with a market place. Let us chose the planet/district we want to go to, and then just let us go. Unless said district is full.

Been yelling at CCP for this forever.


While they're at it, the Academy needs dire fixing too. Raise the WP cap to at least 20,000 WP, preferably 100,000 >_>

No.

What they need to do is if you successfully hack an objective, you graduate the academy.

You know how many blueberries I've seen recently that STAND AROUND AN OBJECTIVE SHOOTING IN THE AIR NEAR OBJECTIVE A?

I agree, the game is meant to be played in squads, working together to accomplish a goal. Win or lose, it's much more enjoyable when playing with competent people. But, don't you think your comments above are a bit harsh. We're talking about new players, unfamiliar with all the workings of the game. They're trying. They want to play. It's hard enough for them to learn the game, while getting crushed every few seconds. And if veteran players are going to treat them with such disdain, where's the incentive to stay and play. New players are the life blood of this game. Without new players, this game dies and the only thing you'll be left to play with is yourself. Instead of treating the new players so poorly, how about taking them under your wing and showing them the ropes. Maybe, just maybe, this will help improve the game play for all of us.

Now back to the point of this thread ... imbalances in matchmaking.

Matchmaking is a genuine pain point for us right now and is something we'd love to get sorted. I don't have any specific updates other than to let you guys know that we're aware of the issues and want to rectify them.

Sorry but no, just no. There will always be new players if a game gets enough exposure. So theres no reason to babying people.

I don't care for players who reacts like they do in this thread when they lose due to their own mistakes and against better players. If you're gonna go "baaaw! This is so hard. Im gonna leave unless you make it easier" then I say: Leave, I sure as hell won't miss you.

Way too many mmo's and shooters baby with the players and I hate that. I want dust players who think: "okay, **** this game is hard! How do I get better like the more experienced players?"

Im not gonna shed any tears for seeing the crybabies leave. It's not the kind of players I want to play with or against anyway...

just asking cant we just have pub games with squads and pub games with out ?

I agree in that I like the game being difficult and not easymode COD. However, something does need to be done to keep new players around. In EVE, new players are not FORCED to fight against 10 year EVE vets...there are many many different things to do in EVE for all skill & experience levels. In Dust, there are not as many options. The more players Dust has, the better the experience will be for everyone.

Like in COD, you can join matchmaking that is only for solo joiners or you can join a matchmaking with solo joiners & squads...

Matchmaking is a genuine pain point for us right now and is something we'd love to get sorted. I don't have any specific updates other than to let you guys know that we're aware of the issues and want to rectify them.

you know i feel the same way but it's crazy what you can do with a militia suit.

a guy was giving me hassle but i eventually got him in a gallente proto suit.
in my militia gallente suit.

then i destroyed an ak.0 and a ck0, all in the same life! 3 proto suits,1 militia suit!

it's not always the gear but the player, that being said suits and HP and damage do provide
an advantage but you never know what you're capable of until you try.