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Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:28:00 - [1] - Quote So whenever the long anticipated P2P market comes out, its believed that many people will be selling their officer weapons for profit. But you see..... Almost everyone ive talked to has said pretty much the same stuff "ohhhh yeahhhh im going to make a killing off these officer weapons" But realistically...... if everyone is selling them...... will they really be that valuable? If every active merc in the game has between 20-50 balac assault rifles, are they really all that rare? I mean, as people burn through them I suppose they will actually become valuable but I feel like day 1 market trading is going to be filled with all sorts of scams and other such stuff. How much do you guys think these rifles will sell for? Surely they wont sell for "that" much. Several hundred thousand? A million each? What do you guys think? Marston VC, STB Director
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 232	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:29:00 - [2] - Quote I concur -- I think the market will be flooded and it will keep prices lower than many expect. I'm sitting on literally hundreds of them -- most of which I will never use -- and, as you point out, I'm hardly alone. I think most will end up going for less than $1m.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2678	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:30:00 - [3] - Quote It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 263	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:31:00 - [4] - Quote Month #1 will not be huge profit time, more like month 3 after people have burned through their spares. Because when they become buyable you know the rich arses will use them in pub matches all first month long.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:32:00 - [5] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). Marston VC, STB Director
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1866	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:33:00 - [6] - Quote No one, people seem to think they cost more than they really will. The people that might get rich are people who can play the market correctly. Selling Templar BPO 300Mil Earn 50Mil+ ISK in Dust
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 57	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:35:00 - [7] - Quote Officer weapons aside, the market is going to be topsy turvy for a while. Depending on if we see a Dust market, or a full New Eden Market (with all the sudden influx of Isk from Eve players) things will beGÇªinteresting. Officer class won't be that hot a commodity, but I know snipers would spend any amount to flesh out their collection of ThalesGÇª
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:35:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No one, people seem to think they cost more than they really will. The people that might get rich are people who can play the market correctly. Viktor, you should have a pretty decent amount of isk at this point. Several billion at least. Would it be reasonable to assume you'll try and buy as low as you can and stock up until the market prices rise a few months later? Marston VC, STB Director
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:37:00 - [9] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Officer weapons aside, the market is going to be topsy turvy for a while. Depending on if we see a Dust market, or a full New Eden Market (with all the sudden influx of Isk from Eve players) things will beGÇªinteresting. Officer class won't be that hot a commodity, but I know snipers would spend any amount to flesh out their collection of ThalesGÇª You don't think they'll be much of a commodity? Aside from LP gear there the only non NPC regulated items in the game. The LP is technically regulated, but because some factions get played more then others, certain LP will be more or less valuable then others. Marston VC, STB Director
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1824	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:37:00 - [10] - Quote Do this. Hold onto them. Why? When the market opens, people will buy them and use them. Since they can be bought, people will just use them, and no longer care about the consequences. They were bought cheap due to large supply. What happens in a month when all we had was sold and used? Supply drops. Demand increases. Payday. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.

Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 545	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:38:00 - [11] - Quote Prices will initially be lower than people expect when the market comes. But after a few months, prices will probably increase quite a bit. I'll sit on mine when the market arrives, and wait for many of the sellers to sell cheaply, for sources to dry up, and for current units to be expended as people enjoy their cheaply bought officer weapons. It is only a matter of time, and I am patient.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:42:00 - [12] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Do this. Hold onto them. Why? When the market opens, people will buy them and use them. Since they can be bought, people will just use them, and no longer care about the consequences. They were bought cheap due to large supply. What happens in a month when all we had was sold and used? Supply drops. Demand increases. Payday. That's the obvious course of action. But I wonder just how cheap the weapons will be in week 1. 200k? 100K? more or less? Lets say the price drops to like 150k on average. I would buy the crap out of whatever gun that was (balac, thale, ect....) and wait for the price to grow considerably only to re-release them at a marked up price for profit. However that would be risky because nobody would really know the potential growth of these weapons prices. Marston VC, STB Director
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1824	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:44:00 - [13] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Do this. Hold onto them. Why? When the market opens, people will buy them and use them. Since they can be bought, people will just use them, and no longer care about the consequences. They were bought cheap due to large supply. What happens in a month when all we had was sold and used? Supply drops. Demand increases. Payday. That's the obvious course of action. But I wonder just how cheap the weapons will be in week 1. 200k? 100K? more or less? Lets say the price drops to like 150k on average. I would buy the crap out of whatever gun that was (balac, thale, ect....) and wait for the price to grow considerably only to re-release them at a marked up price for profit. However that would be risky because nobody would really know the potential growth of these weapons prices. If Runescape taught me anything, it's how to play the market. Buy low, sell high. It's simple stuff people. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
The Attorney General 1741	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:44:00 - [14] - Quote Certain weapons are going to be more in demand. There will also be people who amass large stockpiles of certain weapons in preparation for a future drought. Thales and Balacs will be the top movers I predict, although there should be good interest in Gastuns now that they got made usable again. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2839	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:45:00 - [15] - Quote I'm holding on to mine until I see the prices rise to an acceptable level (supply and demand people, supply and demand) Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2079	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:47:00 - [16] - Quote I can see an opening rush on them at high costs, which will quickly settle into much lower, universally accepted prices. I plan to trade 1:1 for the OWs that I may use in the future, but with the mindset that everything is for sale - if the price is right. Beer before Liquor, never sicker. Toothpaste before Orange Juice, you're dead.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:48:00 - [17] - Quote I just wish I was like one of these super star mercs who have several billion isk saved up. Those are the guys who are going to be able to play the market the most. If I never spent isk since uprising came out I would only have like 600M tops, but between donating to the corp and PC expenditure my overall wealth has been reduced to 100M Marston VC, STB Director
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1187	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:50:00 - [18] - Quote The best corse of action is to horde a weapon in need of changes, because CCP has a tendency to overbuff things (Rail vultures beat rail megas projecting and applying dps now apparently) so when it does get fixed it'll probably be fotm. As for getting rich via normal means, I guess that more popular weapons would have a higher demand for officer weapons. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 264	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:50:00 - [19] - Quote All dust players that came from eve know how the market works, tho only diferance in eve is you can make killer profits by moving items to covenient locations where people will buy them at high prices to save time.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:50:00 - [20] - Quote Buy cheap (Weed out the suckers) Corner the market Sell high /thread {:)}{3GÇó> Please help me save the Gal scout!: linky

Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:51:00 - [21] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: All dust players that came from eve know how the market works, tho only diferance in eve is you can make killer profits by moving items to covenient locations where people will buy them at high prices to save time. That much is true I suppose. I wonder when location will become a factor in dust? right now your location doesn't mean anything. Marston VC, STB Director
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:52:00 - [22] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: The best corse of action is to horde a weapon in need of changes, because CCP has a tendency to overbuff things (Rail vultures beat rail megas projecting and applying dps now apparently) so when it does get fixed it'll probably be fotm. As for getting rich via normal means, I guess that more popular weapons would have a higher demand for officer weapons. What about selling day 1 at super inflated prices to try and sucker out those foolish enough to buy day 1? That would be a viable option too would it not? Lets say, I sell a bunch of balacs at 2M a piece. Surely the balacs wouldn't end up being more pricey then that would they? Marston VC, STB Director
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:53:00 - [23] - Quote Oh, and if you find yourself wandering who the sucker is, it's you. {:)}{3GÇó> Please help me save the Gal scout!: linky
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:56:00 - [24] - Quote The market will likely fluctuate at first. What will likely happen is that the prices will be jacked up at the beginning to try to take advantage of the temporary confusion that will only last for about a week at best before prices drop due to lack of demand. Once the prices drop, those who depend on these officer weapons will take advantage of the low price and stockpile and then be able to burn through them no problem thinking that the prices will stay the same. However, savy marketeers like me will likely take advantage of the low prices use that to manipulate the market in a way that will ensure the return of expensive officer gear while us marketeers reap the profits. It will be a glorious day. And the best part about it? CCP won't even intervene. Hell, they let Jita Burn for 3 days straight while calling it "f-ing brilliant". OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1825	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:00:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: The market will likely fluctuate at first. What will likely happen is that the prices will be jacked up at the beginning to try to take advantage of the temporary confusion that will only last for about a week at best before prices drop due to lack of demand. Once the prices drop, those who depend on these officer weapons will take advantage of the low price and stockpile and then be able to burn through them no problem thinking that the prices will stay the same. However, savy marketeers like me will likely take advantage of the low prices use that to manipulate the market in a way that will ensure the return of expensive officer gear while us marketeers reap the profits. It will be a glorious day. And the best part about it? CCP won't even intervene. Hell, they let Jita Burn for 3 days straight while calling it "f-ing brilliant". Just like the diamond trade right? Buy the weapons, and sit on em to drive demand up. Only sell a few at a time. Hell, If you can get about 20 guys to do the same with each of the weapons, you could control the majority of the market. Random drops won't be able to fluctuate the market by too much if you control 75% of the stock. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1957	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:00:00 - [26] - Quote I've also got a few BPO's I'm sitting on for the market. I'm curious to see what happens with those. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1187	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:00:00 - [27] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: The best corse of action is to horde a weapon in need of changes, because CCP has a tendency to overbuff things (Rail vultures beat rail megas projecting and applying dps now apparently) so when it does get fixed it'll probably be fotm. As for getting rich via normal means, I guess that more popular weapons would have a higher demand for officer weapons. What about selling day 1 at super inflated prices to try and sucker out those foolish enough to buy day 1? That would be a viable option too would it not? Lets say, I sell a bunch of balacs at 2M a piece. Surely the balacs wouldn't end up being more pricey then that would they? That would work, but many people will be doing it at once, that kind of thing works in eve because when the soe ships were added no one had time to stockpile the ship. However I would put a few at inflated prices because there's no harm in trying. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:07:00 - [28] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: All dust players that came from eve know how the market works, tho only diferance in eve is you can make killer profits by moving items to covenient locations where people will buy them at high prices to save time. That much is true I suppose. I wonder when location will become a factor in dust? right now your location doesn't mean anything. This will be a huge factor I bet. If CCP allows us to move freely to different stations in different systems in different regions and allow us to setup orders in one region while setting up orders in another region, that would be great. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:14:00 - [29] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: However I would put a few at inflated prices because there's no harm in trying. Your odds are pretty high if you think about it. Ask yourself these questions. 1. How many Dust players actually read the forums... at all? Take a look at Eve Online where it's been confirmed for 10 years now that there are plenty of Eve players who don't visit the forums at all. 2. How many Dust players will even bother to do their research before recklessly clicking on the "BUY NOW" button? 3. How infinite is human stupidity? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 58	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:14:00 - [30] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Denn Maell wrote: Officer weapons aside, the market is going to be topsy turvy for a while. Depending on if we see a Dust market, or a full New Eden Market (with all the sudden influx of Isk from Eve players) things will beGÇªinteresting. Officer class won't be that hot a commodity, but I know snipers would spend any amount to flesh out their collection of ThalesGÇª You don't think they'll be much of a commodity? Aside from LP gear there the only non NPC regulated items in the game. The LP is technically regulated, but because some factions get played more then others, certain LP will be more or less valuable then others. I should have said AS HOT as a commodity as everyone is thinking. Thales have the advantage of being useful at as of yet unmatchable ranges, so snipers look at them as more of a long term investment in their KDR rather than something they will put themselves in danger of loosing if they want to use them. But yes, any salvage only items/LP store items will be of particular interest on the market. I just have strong thoughts on the longevity of Thale's as opposed to say Balac's.



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