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Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:28:00 - [1] - Quote So whenever the long anticipated P2P market comes out, its believed that many people will be selling their officer weapons for profit. But you see..... Almost everyone ive talked to has said pretty much the same stuff "ohhhh yeahhhh im going to make a killing off these officer weapons" But realistically...... if everyone is selling them...... will they really be that valuable? If every active merc in the game has between 20-50 balac assault rifles, are they really all that rare? I mean, as people burn through them I suppose they will actually become valuable but I feel like day 1 market trading is going to be filled with all sorts of scams and other such stuff. How much do you guys think these rifles will sell for? Surely they wont sell for "that" much. Several hundred thousand? A million each? What do you guys think? Marston VC, STB Director
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 232	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:29:00 - [2] - Quote I concur -- I think the market will be flooded and it will keep prices lower than many expect. I'm sitting on literally hundreds of them -- most of which I will never use -- and, as you point out, I'm hardly alone. I think most will end up going for less than $1m.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2678	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:30:00 - [3] - Quote It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 263	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:31:00 - [4] - Quote Month #1 will not be huge profit time, more like month 3 after people have burned through their spares. Because when they become buyable you know the rich arses will use them in pub matches all first month long.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:32:00 - [5] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). Marston VC, STB Director
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1866	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:33:00 - [6] - Quote No one, people seem to think they cost more than they really will. The people that might get rich are people who can play the market correctly. Selling Templar BPO 300Mil Earn 50Mil+ ISK in Dust
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 57	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:35:00 - [7] - Quote Officer weapons aside, the market is going to be topsy turvy for a while. Depending on if we see a Dust market, or a full New Eden Market (with all the sudden influx of Isk from Eve players) things will beGÇªinteresting. Officer class won't be that hot a commodity, but I know snipers would spend any amount to flesh out their collection of ThalesGÇª
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:35:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No one, people seem to think they cost more than they really will. The people that might get rich are people who can play the market correctly. Viktor, you should have a pretty decent amount of isk at this point. Several billion at least. Would it be reasonable to assume you'll try and buy as low as you can and stock up until the market prices rise a few months later? Marston VC, STB Director
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:37:00 - [9] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Officer weapons aside, the market is going to be topsy turvy for a while. Depending on if we see a Dust market, or a full New Eden Market (with all the sudden influx of Isk from Eve players) things will beGÇªinteresting. Officer class won't be that hot a commodity, but I know snipers would spend any amount to flesh out their collection of ThalesGÇª You don't think they'll be much of a commodity? Aside from LP gear there the only non NPC regulated items in the game. The LP is technically regulated, but because some factions get played more then others, certain LP will be more or less valuable then others. Marston VC, STB Director
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1824	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:37:00 - [10] - Quote Do this. Hold onto them. Why? When the market opens, people will buy them and use them. Since they can be bought, people will just use them, and no longer care about the consequences. They were bought cheap due to large supply. What happens in a month when all we had was sold and used? Supply drops. Demand increases. Payday. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.

Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 545	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:38:00 - [11] - Quote Prices will initially be lower than people expect when the market comes. But after a few months, prices will probably increase quite a bit. I'll sit on mine when the market arrives, and wait for many of the sellers to sell cheaply, for sources to dry up, and for current units to be expended as people enjoy their cheaply bought officer weapons. It is only a matter of time, and I am patient.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:42:00 - [12] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Do this. Hold onto them. Why? When the market opens, people will buy them and use them. Since they can be bought, people will just use them, and no longer care about the consequences. They were bought cheap due to large supply. What happens in a month when all we had was sold and used? Supply drops. Demand increases. Payday. That's the obvious course of action. But I wonder just how cheap the weapons will be in week 1. 200k? 100K? more or less? Lets say the price drops to like 150k on average. I would buy the crap out of whatever gun that was (balac, thale, ect....) and wait for the price to grow considerably only to re-release them at a marked up price for profit. However that would be risky because nobody would really know the potential growth of these weapons prices. Marston VC, STB Director
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1824	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:44:00 - [13] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Do this. Hold onto them. Why? When the market opens, people will buy them and use them. Since they can be bought, people will just use them, and no longer care about the consequences. They were bought cheap due to large supply. What happens in a month when all we had was sold and used? Supply drops. Demand increases. Payday. That's the obvious course of action. But I wonder just how cheap the weapons will be in week 1. 200k? 100K? more or less? Lets say the price drops to like 150k on average. I would buy the crap out of whatever gun that was (balac, thale, ect....) and wait for the price to grow considerably only to re-release them at a marked up price for profit. However that would be risky because nobody would really know the potential growth of these weapons prices. If Runescape taught me anything, it's how to play the market. Buy low, sell high. It's simple stuff people. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
The Attorney General 1741	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:44:00 - [14] - Quote Certain weapons are going to be more in demand. There will also be people who amass large stockpiles of certain weapons in preparation for a future drought. Thales and Balacs will be the top movers I predict, although there should be good interest in Gastuns now that they got made usable again. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2839	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:45:00 - [15] - Quote I'm holding on to mine until I see the prices rise to an acceptable level (supply and demand people, supply and demand) Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2079	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:47:00 - [16] - Quote I can see an opening rush on them at high costs, which will quickly settle into much lower, universally accepted prices. I plan to trade 1:1 for the OWs that I may use in the future, but with the mindset that everything is for sale - if the price is right. Beer before Liquor, never sicker. Toothpaste before Orange Juice, you're dead.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:48:00 - [17] - Quote I just wish I was like one of these super star mercs who have several billion isk saved up. Those are the guys who are going to be able to play the market the most. If I never spent isk since uprising came out I would only have like 600M tops, but between donating to the corp and PC expenditure my overall wealth has been reduced to 100M Marston VC, STB Director
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1187	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:50:00 - [18] - Quote The best corse of action is to horde a weapon in need of changes, because CCP has a tendency to overbuff things (Rail vultures beat rail megas projecting and applying dps now apparently) so when it does get fixed it'll probably be fotm. As for getting rich via normal means, I guess that more popular weapons would have a higher demand for officer weapons. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 264	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:50:00 - [19] - Quote All dust players that came from eve know how the market works, tho only diferance in eve is you can make killer profits by moving items to covenient locations where people will buy them at high prices to save time.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:50:00 - [20] - Quote Buy cheap (Weed out the suckers) Corner the market Sell high /thread {:)}{3GÇó> Please help me save the Gal scout!: linky

Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:51:00 - [21] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: All dust players that came from eve know how the market works, tho only diferance in eve is you can make killer profits by moving items to covenient locations where people will buy them at high prices to save time. That much is true I suppose. I wonder when location will become a factor in dust? right now your location doesn't mean anything. Marston VC, STB Director
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:52:00 - [22] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: The best corse of action is to horde a weapon in need of changes, because CCP has a tendency to overbuff things (Rail vultures beat rail megas projecting and applying dps now apparently) so when it does get fixed it'll probably be fotm. As for getting rich via normal means, I guess that more popular weapons would have a higher demand for officer weapons. What about selling day 1 at super inflated prices to try and sucker out those foolish enough to buy day 1? That would be a viable option too would it not? Lets say, I sell a bunch of balacs at 2M a piece. Surely the balacs wouldn't end up being more pricey then that would they? Marston VC, STB Director
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:53:00 - [23] - Quote Oh, and if you find yourself wandering who the sucker is, it's you. {:)}{3GÇó> Please help me save the Gal scout!: linky
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:56:00 - [24] - Quote The market will likely fluctuate at first. What will likely happen is that the prices will be jacked up at the beginning to try to take advantage of the temporary confusion that will only last for about a week at best before prices drop due to lack of demand. Once the prices drop, those who depend on these officer weapons will take advantage of the low price and stockpile and then be able to burn through them no problem thinking that the prices will stay the same. However, savy marketeers like me will likely take advantage of the low prices use that to manipulate the market in a way that will ensure the return of expensive officer gear while us marketeers reap the profits. It will be a glorious day. And the best part about it? CCP won't even intervene. Hell, they let Jita Burn for 3 days straight while calling it "f-ing brilliant". OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1825	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:00:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: The market will likely fluctuate at first. What will likely happen is that the prices will be jacked up at the beginning to try to take advantage of the temporary confusion that will only last for about a week at best before prices drop due to lack of demand. Once the prices drop, those who depend on these officer weapons will take advantage of the low price and stockpile and then be able to burn through them no problem thinking that the prices will stay the same. However, savy marketeers like me will likely take advantage of the low prices use that to manipulate the market in a way that will ensure the return of expensive officer gear while us marketeers reap the profits. It will be a glorious day. And the best part about it? CCP won't even intervene. Hell, they let Jita Burn for 3 days straight while calling it "f-ing brilliant". Just like the diamond trade right? Buy the weapons, and sit on em to drive demand up. Only sell a few at a time. Hell, If you can get about 20 guys to do the same with each of the weapons, you could control the majority of the market. Random drops won't be able to fluctuate the market by too much if you control 75% of the stock. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1957	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:00:00 - [26] - Quote I've also got a few BPO's I'm sitting on for the market. I'm curious to see what happens with those. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1187	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:00:00 - [27] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: The best corse of action is to horde a weapon in need of changes, because CCP has a tendency to overbuff things (Rail vultures beat rail megas projecting and applying dps now apparently) so when it does get fixed it'll probably be fotm. As for getting rich via normal means, I guess that more popular weapons would have a higher demand for officer weapons. What about selling day 1 at super inflated prices to try and sucker out those foolish enough to buy day 1? That would be a viable option too would it not? Lets say, I sell a bunch of balacs at 2M a piece. Surely the balacs wouldn't end up being more pricey then that would they? That would work, but many people will be doing it at once, that kind of thing works in eve because when the soe ships were added no one had time to stockpile the ship. However I would put a few at inflated prices because there's no harm in trying. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:07:00 - [28] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: All dust players that came from eve know how the market works, tho only diferance in eve is you can make killer profits by moving items to covenient locations where people will buy them at high prices to save time. That much is true I suppose. I wonder when location will become a factor in dust? right now your location doesn't mean anything. This will be a huge factor I bet. If CCP allows us to move freely to different stations in different systems in different regions and allow us to setup orders in one region while setting up orders in another region, that would be great. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:14:00 - [29] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: However I would put a few at inflated prices because there's no harm in trying. Your odds are pretty high if you think about it. Ask yourself these questions. 1. How many Dust players actually read the forums... at all? Take a look at Eve Online where it's been confirmed for 10 years now that there are plenty of Eve players who don't visit the forums at all. 2. How many Dust players will even bother to do their research before recklessly clicking on the "BUY NOW" button? 3. How infinite is human stupidity? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 58	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:14:00 - [30] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Denn Maell wrote: Officer weapons aside, the market is going to be topsy turvy for a while. Depending on if we see a Dust market, or a full New Eden Market (with all the sudden influx of Isk from Eve players) things will beGÇªinteresting. Officer class won't be that hot a commodity, but I know snipers would spend any amount to flesh out their collection of ThalesGÇª You don't think they'll be much of a commodity? Aside from LP gear there the only non NPC regulated items in the game. The LP is technically regulated, but because some factions get played more then others, certain LP will be more or less valuable then others. I should have said AS HOT as a commodity as everyone is thinking. Thales have the advantage of being useful at as of yet unmatchable ranges, so snipers look at them as more of a long term investment in their KDR rather than something they will put themselves in danger of loosing if they want to use them. But yes, any salvage only items/LP store items will be of particular interest on the market. I just have strong thoughts on the longevity of Thale's as opposed to say Balac's.

Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:16:00 - [31] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Just like the diamond trade right? Blood Diamonds, my friend. Blood Diamonds. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1187	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:17:00 - [32] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: However I would put a few at inflated prices because there's no harm in trying. Your odds are pretty high if you think about it. Ask yourself these questions. 1. How many Dust players actually read the forums... at all? Take a look at Eve Online where it's been confirmed for 10 years now that there are plenty of Eve players who don't visit the forums at all. 2. How many Dust players will even bother to do their research before recklessly clicking on the "BUY NOW" button? 3. How infinite is human stupidity? Point 3 was more than enough, the rest was overkill. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Aleph Rynedee Science For Death 30	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:17:00 - [33] - Quote How many of these weapons actually exist? Anyone have a ballpark on the number of Thale's, for example, that are running around New Eden? It'd be interesting to see how many actually make it to market (and how quickly). If the smart money is on hanging on to these weapons to sell a later date at a substantial profit, why is everyone expecting the market to flood with cheap weapons on day one? I'm guessing most expectations revolve around prepubescent idiots selling their sparse stock at clear out prices, but who in Dust hasn't heard of the Thale's sniper rifle, much less been assaulted by one from two maps over? Thale's is the most reviled weapon in the game, one everyone thinks should cost seven or eight figures. I wouldn't be surprised to see the average asking price to hover around the 15m ISK range (I'd think the world is ending if prices hover in the low six figures (or Dust was populated by concussed gamers)).
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 400	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:29:00 - [34] - Quote im going to make a long term investment when P2P trading drops, everyones gonna be like "FIRE SAIL EVERYTHING MUST GO!" and im going to keep my officer stuff and buy everyone elses when the price goes so low there worthless and then i will have almost full control of the officer weapons then when the price is high i will slowly flood the market and stomp out any competition closed beta vet MAXIMUM ARMOR
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:31:00 - [35] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: im going to make a long term investment when P2P trading drops, everyones gonna be like "FIRE SAIL EVERYTHING MUST GO!" and im going to keep my officer stuff and buy everyone elses when the price goes so low there worthless and then i will have almost full control of the officer weapons then when the price is high i will slowly flood the market and stomp out any competition You'll have to face me plus many others like me as competition soon enough. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 372	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:47:00 - [36] - Quote im actually part of a group of freinds that plan on buying 4.5 billion isk worth of officer weapons day 1 (as of now , will increase as more isk becomes available to us) we plan on doing it at the initail deflation of them and will buy all possible we will then trickle them into the system at a 27% price increase why am i telling you? because you either dont care or dont beleive me or dont matter, Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 373	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:50:00 - [37] - Quote Aleph Rynedee wrote: How many of these weapons actually exist? Anyone have a ballpark on the number of Thale's, for example, that are running around New Eden? It'd be interesting to see how many actually make it to market (and how quickly). If the smart money is on hanging on to these weapons to sell a later date at a substantial profit, why is everyone expecting the market to flood with cheap weapons on day one? I'm guessing most expectations revolve around prepubescent idiots selling their sparse stock at clear out prices, but who in Dust hasn't heard of the Thale's sniper rifle, much less been assaulted by one from two maps over? Thale's is the most reviled weapon in the game, one everyone thinks should cost seven or eight figures. I wouldn't be surprised to see the average asking price to hover around the 15m ISK range (I'd think the world is ending if prices hover in the low six figures (or Dust was populated by concussed gamers)). simple really, a large number of people have them and are to impatient to wait 3 months to sell them and thier gonna have to sell at competitive rates Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
The Robot Devil molon labe. Public Disorder. 1534	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:51:00 - [38] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). All of these things are going to happen and they are all good. Let the market work and three or four months in you will know the price. Don't be scared it's just fake money and 1s and 0s. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Gorgak Brunt Terrestrial Trading Consortium of New Eden 7	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:54:00 - [39] - Quote I buy vehicles at 85% of the current market price. 35M ISK ready to by AUR/salvage/umwanted hulls. Serious. Gorgak Brunt Procurement Officer Terrestrial Trading Consortium of New Eden
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven 144	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:58:00 - [40] - Quote Marston VC wrote: So whenever the long anticipated P2P market comes out, its believed that many people will be selling their officer weapons for profit. But you see..... Almost everyone ive talked to has said pretty much the same stuff "ohhhh yeahhhh im going to make a killing off these officer weapons" But realistically...... if everyone is selling them...... will they really be that valuable? If every active merc in the game has between 20-50 balac assault rifles, are they really all that rare? I mean, as people burn through them I suppose they will actually become valuable but I feel like day 1 market trading is going to be filled with all sorts of scams and other such stuff. How much do you guys think these rifles will sell for? Surely they wont sell for "that" much. Several hundred thousand? A million each? What do you guys think? they will sell for as much as the market will bear. So i recommend setting initial prices high and seeing what the competition is offering then gauge the price. But honestly most people will trade rifles with their corp mates. This market needs to happen, its part of the bigger picture that makes dust so unique.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5508	Posted - 2014.01.13 05:05:00 - [41] - Quote Ah such silly humans. I won't sell my officer weapons. They are mine, no human is allowed to set his hands on them Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Nylana Ernaga State Patriots 1	Posted - 2014.01.13 05:08:00 - [42] - Quote You guys have been talking about this since the dinosaurs.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 373	Posted - 2014.01.13 05:19:00 - [43] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Ah such silly humans. I won't sell my officer weapons. They are mine, no human is allowed to set his hands on them i will strip them from your cold dead paws... then hand them to your freshly cloned paws. i like to help people out. Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1867	Posted - 2014.01.13 05:21:00 - [44] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No one, people seem to think they cost more than they really will. The people that might get rich are people who can play the market correctly. Viktor, you should have a pretty decent amount of isk at this point. Several billion at least. Would it be reasonable to assume you'll try and buy as low as you can and stock up until the market prices rise a few months later? That would be a good assumption but until i know the full depth of how the market will work and what will be in it i have no game plan. Selling Templar BPO 300Mil Earn 50Mil+ ISK in Dust
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1073	Posted - 2014.01.13 05:30:00 - [45] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). Looks at my one billion isk from pubs and whistles.................. Hmmmm on what will I spend it on? Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings 842	Posted - 2014.01.13 05:41:00 - [46] - Quote omg player market now plz thx bye!!!! ---OFFICIAL LOGISTICS REGISTRY BOARD/ H.O.F.----
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 473	Posted - 2014.01.13 06:21:00 - [47] - Quote I will charge very high prices because no way am I putting all of my balacs and thales out there for cheap. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2679	Posted - 2014.01.13 06:26:00 - [48] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). That is what I am planning to do with the sidearms so yes. I will dry up the Officer Sidearm well so badly that even the scarcity of users will not prevent me from charging high. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1487	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:38:00 - [49] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). That is what I am planning to do with the sidearms so yes. I will dry up the Officer Sidearm well so badly that even the scarcity of users will not prevent me from charging high. how much money do you have approximately? Marston VC, STB Director
Kaughst Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 172	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:54:00 - [50] - Quote The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily. Step 1: Take Districts Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit Cow for Kaughst

Virtual Riot The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 123	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:57:00 - [51] - Quote I'm going to redirect you to this long and well thought out post I did on the price of officer weapons I did a while back. I'm sure it will answers most if not all of your questions.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1488	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:58:00 - [52] - Quote Kaughst wrote: The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily. Well it wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Technically we would only need a means to transport gear from location to location. The simple way of doing that would be to add an NPC corp that you can pay a certain rate based off distance of transport. This would create varying rates and so on. You could balance it in eve by just making it so Dust characters cant have ownership of eve gear. This would be a temporary means of game balance until a more developed transport system is implemented. Basically it would be like clone packs in PC. Right now you either make your clones or buy them from an NPC corp. Theoretically CCP wants EVE pilots to transport these clones in the future. But there using NPC corps as place holders for the time being. Same concept really. Marston VC, STB Director
SHANN da MAN D3LTA FORC3 153	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:14:00 - [53] - Quote I don't think there will be as many Officer Weapons on the OPEN market as everyone thinks ... What will probably happen is that members within corps will swap around Officer Weapons to other members .. ie. Sniper with 100 Gastuns will swap with Heavy in corp for 100 Thale's. This will account for at least half of Officer Weapon trading at least at first, and will multiply the effective firepower of Corp players by having a Large supply of Officer Weapons available for use without having to spend a lot of ISK on the free market. nothing to see here ... move along
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6414	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:46:00 - [54] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Kaughst wrote: The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily. Well it wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Technically we would only need a means to transport gear from location to location. The simple way of doing that would be to add an NPC corp that you can pay a certain rate based off distance of transport. This would create varying rates and so on. You could balance it in eve by just making it so Dust characters cant have ownership of eve gear. This would be a temporary means of game balance until a more developed transport system is implemented. Basically it would be like clone packs in PC. Right now you either make your clones or buy them from an NPC corp. Theoretically CCP wants EVE pilots to transport these clones in the future. But there using NPC corps as place holders for the time being. Same concept really. Alternatively that can expand on an already-existing system in Eve Online to move Dust-owned gear. Two systems actually. First System: NPC Transport Ships You see this little transports everywhere in New Eden especially in high-sec space. They are often loaded with loot that you can salvage assuming you know how to attack them without drawing the attention of the station guns (which is possible by the way). CCP can implement stronger NPC transport ships whenever a Dust players uses them to move from station to station. The current drawback with this idea is that currently the NPC transports that go from station to station are restricted to movement inside a single star system only. CCP could implement special NPC transports that can ferry Dust-related gear from system to system while still facing the risk of getting suicide ganked by Eve players along the way. This can be used a temporary (but cheap) measure until the second system is expanded upon. Second System: Courier Contracts Currently Eve Online players often provide courier services via contracts that are setup either publicly or privately. While ferrying the goods, the goods are locked up by the issuer of the courier contract in a special container that can't be scanned or opened in the event that the courier either loses his ship carrying the goods to gankers or decides to try to steal the goods for himself. At the same time, the carrier must give up collateral (be it in ISK or an asset) that can only be held by the issuer of the contract temporarily but put into limbo to prevent the issuer from selling the collateral in the meantime until the contract has been fulfilled. If the contract has been fulfilled, the collateral is automatically taken out of limbo and given back to the courier. If the contract has not been fulfilled in the allotted time, the contract closes, collateral is taken out of the limbo and given to the issuer instead as compensation for the loss of the goods and the courier is left with a useless container he can't access and nobody wants. The Courier Contracts would be much more expensive as they are driven by market forces and player greed, but the system is much more secure and has a much higher guarantee of the goods reaching their destination. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Musta Tornius Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 931	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:46:00 - [55] - Quote Didn't read the thread, but don't forget that these days we only get 3x weapons in salvage compared to was it 5 or 10 before? You do accumulate the weapons a helluva lot slower, and when the supply rate starts to dwindle the prices will shoot up. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
XEROO COOL Shining Flame Amarr Empire 339	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:22:00 - [56] - Quote Buy high.. Sell low... can I haz isk? Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 374	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:38:00 - [57] - Quote Kaughst wrote: The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily. there are many things that are beyond simplified in comparison to eve blueprints traveling to battle corporations etc i hope we do complicate this game but dont let it stand in the way of content Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1490	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:55:00 - [58] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Marston VC wrote: Kaughst wrote: The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily. Well it wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Technically we would only need a means to transport gear from location to location. The simple way of doing that would be to add an NPC corp that you can pay a certain rate based off distance of transport. This would create varying rates and so on. You could balance it in eve by just making it so Dust characters cant have ownership of eve gear. This would be a temporary means of game balance until a more developed transport system is implemented. Basically it would be like clone packs in PC. Right now you either make your clones or buy them from an NPC corp. Theoretically CCP wants EVE pilots to transport these clones in the future. But there using NPC corps as place holders for the time being. Same concept really. Alternatively that can expand on an already-existing system in Eve Online to move Dust-owned gear. Two systems actually. First System: NPC Transport Ships You see this little transports everywhere in New Eden especially in high-sec space. They are often loaded with loot that you can salvage assuming you know how to attack them without drawing the attention of the station guns (which is possible by the way). CCP can implement stronger NPC transport ships whenever a Dust players uses them to move from station to station. The current drawback with this idea is that currently the NPC transports that go from station to station are restricted to movement inside a single star system only. CCP could implement special NPC transports that can ferry Dust-related gear from system to system while still facing the risk of getting suicide ganked by Eve players along the way. This can be used a temporary (but cheap) measure until the second system is expanded upon. Second System: Courier Contracts Currently Eve Online players often provide courier services via contracts that are setup either publicly or privately. While ferrying the goods, the goods are locked up by the issuer of the courier contract in a special container that can't be scanned or opened in the event that the courier either loses his ship carrying the goods to gankers or decides to try to steal the goods for himself. At the same time, the carrier must give up collateral (be it in ISK or an asset) that can only be held by the issuer of the contract temporarily but put into limbo to prevent the issuer from selling the collateral in the meantime until the contract has been fulfilled. If the contract has been fulfilled, the collateral is automatically taken out of limbo and given back to the courier. If the contract has not been fulfilled in the allotted time, the contract closes, collateral is taken out of the limbo and given to the issuer instead as compensation for the loss of the goods and the courier is left with a useless container he can't access and nobody wants. The Courier Contracts would be much more expensive as they are driven by market forces and player greed, but the system is much more secure and has a much higher guarantee of the goods reaching their destination. Very well thought out Maken, I like this idea. Its actually not too far off from what I was thinking but definitely a lot more polished then anything I would have posted. Its been said before that EVE will probably handle the industrial side of both games for at least a while. Which honestly probably isn't such a bad idea. My only problem with this idea, is that the loot in the NPC ships have to worth A LOT to be worth suicide ganking. You and I both know how fast Concord arrives in high sec, if the ship there using is super cheap the likely hood of being able to pop one of these ships before they themselves die is slim. If the ship is super expensive (relatively) then the worth in pirate ganking wouldn't really be there. Marston VC, STB Director
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois Maphia Clan Corporation 72	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:11:00 - [59] - Quote thread > implying Officer Weapons CAN be sold /thread Translation: you're all assuming Officer weapons shall be available on P2P market. And if CCP decided differently? If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 874	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:31:00 - [60] - Quote I'm buying up all Officer PLCs Watch. When CCP buffs them, they'll sell like hotcakes. I CAN CHARGE AN ARM AND A LEG FOR THEM, LITERALLY. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1490	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:36:00 - [61] - Quote Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote: thread > implying Officer Weapons CAN be sold /thread Translation: you're all assuming Officer weapons shall be available on P2P market. And if CCP decided differently? Why would they do that? Officer weapons are going to be one of the few items with actual market value. Marston VC, STB Director
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2065	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:55:00 - [62] - Quote The smart people will buy them up until they are much sought after, then either rake in the profit or distribute them amongst corp mates. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 151	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:10:00 - [63] - Quote I have a feeling that most people are going to easily over charge officer gear when it first comes out my plan is to charge less than them when the market comes out and let "smart" people buy my cheaper officer weapons I don't plan on using anything other than thales so I consider most of my officer weapons pretty much useless anyway "and when they catch you, they will kill you... ...but first they must catch you" motto of the scouts Closed Beta Vet
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2857	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:13:00 - [64] - Quote Plan: Sell as much as possible at super jacked up prices. Wait till prices come down, purchase Titan loads of officer gear etc. Sell it bit by bit. Wait for drought. Flood the market. $$$ Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6419	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:38:00 - [65] - Quote Welcome to New Eden economics, folks. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2680	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:41:00 - [66] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). That is what I am planning to do with the sidearms so yes. I will dry up the Officer Sidearm well so badly that even the scarcity of users will not prevent me from charging high. how much money do you have approximately? It's not my money, it's on loan from one of the few Dust Billionaires Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1492	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:48:00 - [67] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). That is what I am planning to do with the sidearms so yes. I will dry up the Officer Sidearm well so badly that even the scarcity of users will not prevent me from charging high. how much money do you have approximately? It's not my money, it's on loan from one of the few Dust Billionaires how much? Marston VC, STB Director
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2680	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:49:00 - [68] - Quote Marston VC wrote: how much? [excel.speadsheet] here take my tax returns Check out latest BSOTT Guide
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2066	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:51:00 - [69] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: I have a feeling that most people are going to easily over charge officer gear when it first comes out my plan is to charge less than them when the market comes out and let "smart" people buy my cheaper officer weapons I don't plan on using anything other than thales so I consider most of my officer weapons pretty much useless anyway Ha, you don't get it, the 'smart' people will be relying on others selling them cheap to corner that part of the market. The other tactic is to sell some for an unreasonable price to set the standard for people to sell them cheap. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1494	Posted - 2014.01.14 02:27:00 - [70] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: how much? [excel.speadsheet] here take my tax returns Failed link! Im just curious man, you don't need to tell me who the loaner is or anything Marston VC, STB Director

Thor Odinson42 molon labe. Public Disorder. 2513	Posted - 2014.01.14 02:30:00 - [71] - Quote Thales will be the only ones in high demand for obvious reasons. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2683	Posted - 2014.01.14 02:59:00 - [72] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: how much? [excel.speadsheet] here take my tax returns Failed link! Im just curious man, you don't need to tell me who the loaner is or anything Knowledge is power and I wasn't speaking in the strictest of terms. Man my cat died from curiosity, you should go to a doctor or something, get that checked out before it turns terminal. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1494	Posted - 2014.01.14 03:43:00 - [73] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: how much? [excel.speadsheet] here take my tax returns Failed link! Im just curious man, you don't need to tell me who the loaner is or anything Knowledge is power and I wasn't speaking in the strictest of terms. Man my cat died from curiosity, you should go to a doctor or something, get that checked out before it turns terminal. I NEED THE TRUTH NOW BOJO, GIMMMEEEEE TRUTH Marston VC, STB Director
mollerz Minja Scouts 1840	Posted - 2014.01.14 03:52:00 - [74] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: It's all about the demand when the market comes around I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand. Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). That is what I am planning to do with the sidearms so yes. I will dry up the Officer Sidearm well so badly that even the scarcity of users will not prevent me from charging high. how much money do you have approximately? It's not my money, it's on loan from one of the few Dust Billionaires Cool. Thanks for telling me your strategy. I'll ride your coat tails. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
JL3Eleven 1510	Posted - 2014.01.14 17:13:00 - [75] - Quote So my question is who actually uses Officer weapons enough to create an actual demand? Other than the random merc running a pub match and the top corps having grudge matches, where will the demand come from? Profiteers? Considering most of the wealth is in the top corps and beta veterans wallets, how many newbies are going to throw down major ISK for one weapon? I feel the newbies ISK is going to go for Boosters and BPO's over weapons tbh. iLB6 FUB9 Buying all officer weapons for 500k regardless of type.


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