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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:28:00 -
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So whenever the long anticipated P2P market comes out, its believed that many people will be selling their officer weapons for profit. But you see..... Almost everyone ive talked to has said pretty much the same stuff "ohhhh yeahhhh im going to make a killing off these officer weapons" But realistically...... if everyone is selling them...... will they really be that valuable? If every active merc in the game has between 20-50 balac assault rifles, are they really all that rare?
I mean, as people burn through them I suppose they will actually become valuable but I feel like day 1 market trading is going to be filled with all sorts of scams and other such stuff.
How much do you guys think these rifles will sell for? Surely they wont sell for "that" much. Several hundred thousand? A million each? What do you guys think?
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:32:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:It's all about the demand when the market comes around
I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand.
Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would.
So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it).
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:35:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:No one, people seem to think they cost more than they really will.
The people that might get rich are people who can play the market correctly.
Viktor, you should have a pretty decent amount of isk at this point. Several billion at least. Would it be reasonable to assume you'll try and buy as low as you can and stock up until the market prices rise a few months later?
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:37:00 -
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Denn Maell wrote:Officer weapons aside, the market is going to be topsy turvy for a while. Depending on if we see a Dust market, or a full New Eden Market (with all the sudden influx of Isk from Eve players) things will beGǪinteresting.
Officer class won't be that hot a commodity, but I know snipers would spend any amount to flesh out their collection of ThalesGǪ
You don't think they'll be much of a commodity? Aside from LP gear there the only non NPC regulated items in the game. The LP is technically regulated, but because some factions get played more then others, certain LP will be more or less valuable then others.
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:42:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Do this.
Hold onto them.
Why? When the market opens, people will buy them and use them.
Since they can be bought, people will just use them, and no longer care about the consequences. They were bought cheap due to large supply.
What happens in a month when all we had was sold and used? Supply drops. Demand increases.
Payday.
That's the obvious course of action. But I wonder just how cheap the weapons will be in week 1. 200k? 100K? more or less? Lets say the price drops to like 150k on average. I would buy the crap out of whatever gun that was (balac, thale, ect....) and wait for the price to grow considerably only to re-release them at a marked up price for profit. However that would be risky because nobody would really know the potential growth of these weapons prices.
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:48:00 -
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I just wish I was like one of these super star mercs who have several billion isk saved up. Those are the guys who are going to be able to play the market the most. If I never spent isk since uprising came out I would only have like 600M tops, but between donating to the corp and PC expenditure my overall wealth has been reduced to 100M
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:51:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:All dust players that came from eve know how the market works, tho only diferance in eve is you can make killer profits by moving items to covenient locations where people will buy them at high prices to save time.
That much is true I suppose. I wonder when location will become a factor in dust? right now your location doesn't mean anything.
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:52:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:The best corse of action is to horde a weapon in need of changes, because CCP has a tendency to overbuff things (Rail vultures beat rail megas projecting and applying dps now apparently) so when it does get fixed it'll probably be fotm.
As for getting rich via normal means, I guess that more popular weapons would have a higher demand for officer weapons.
What about selling day 1 at super inflated prices to try and sucker out those foolish enough to buy day 1? That would be a viable option too would it not? Lets say, I sell a bunch of balacs at 2M a piece. Surely the balacs wouldn't end up being more pricey then that would they?
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:38:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Marston VC wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:It's all about the demand when the market comes around
I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand.
Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). That is what I am planning to do with the sidearms so yes. I will dry up the Officer Sidearm well so badly that even the scarcity of users will not prevent me from charging high.
how much money do you have approximately?
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:58:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily.
Well it wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Technically we would only need a means to transport gear from location to location. The simple way of doing that would be to add an NPC corp that you can pay a certain rate based off distance of transport. This would create varying rates and so on. You could balance it in eve by just making it so Dust characters cant have ownership of eve gear. This would be a temporary means of game balance until a more developed transport system is implemented. Basically it would be like clone packs in PC. Right now you either make your clones or buy them from an NPC corp. Theoretically CCP wants EVE pilots to transport these clones in the future. But there using NPC corps as place holders for the time being. Same concept really.
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:55:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Marston VC wrote:Kaughst wrote:The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily. Well it wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Technically we would only need a means to transport gear from location to location. The simple way of doing that would be to add an NPC corp that you can pay a certain rate based off distance of transport. This would create varying rates and so on. You could balance it in eve by just making it so Dust characters cant have ownership of eve gear. This would be a temporary means of game balance until a more developed transport system is implemented. Basically it would be like clone packs in PC. Right now you either make your clones or buy them from an NPC corp. Theoretically CCP wants EVE pilots to transport these clones in the future. But there using NPC corps as place holders for the time being. Same concept really. Alternatively that can expand on an already-existing system in Eve Online to move Dust-owned gear. Two systems actually. First System: NPC Transport Ships You see this little transports everywhere in New Eden especially in high-sec space. They are often loaded with loot that you can salvage assuming you know how to attack them without drawing the attention of the station guns (which is possible by the way). CCP can implement stronger NPC transport ships whenever a Dust players uses them to move from station to station. The current drawback with this idea is that currently the NPC transports that go from station to station are restricted to movement inside a single star system only. CCP could implement special NPC transports that can ferry Dust-related gear from system to system while still facing the risk of getting suicide ganked by Eve players along the way. This can be used a temporary (but cheap) measure until the second system is expanded upon. Second System: Courier Contracts Currently Eve Online players often provide courier services via contracts that are setup either publicly or privately. While ferrying the goods, the goods are locked up by the issuer of the courier contract in a special container that can't be scanned or opened in the event that the courier either loses his ship carrying the goods to gankers or decides to try to steal the goods for himself. At the same time, the carrier must give up collateral (be it in ISK or an asset) that can only be held by the issuer of the contract temporarily but put into limbo to prevent the issuer from selling the collateral in the meantime until the contract has been fulfilled. If the contract has been fulfilled, the collateral is automatically taken out of limbo and given back to the courier. If the contract has not been fulfilled in the allotted time, the contract closes, collateral is taken out of the limbo and given to the issuer instead as compensation for the loss of the goods and the courier is left with a useless container he can't access and nobody wants. The Courier Contracts would be much more expensive as they are driven by market forces and player greed, but the system is much more secure and has a much higher guarantee of the goods reaching their destination.
Very well thought out Maken, I like this idea. Its actually not too far off from what I was thinking but definitely a lot more polished then anything I would have posted. Its been said before that EVE will probably handle the industrial side of both games for at least a while. Which honestly probably isn't such a bad idea.
My only problem with this idea, is that the loot in the NPC ships have to worth A LOT to be worth suicide ganking. You and I both know how fast Concord arrives in high sec, if the ship there using is super cheap the likely hood of being able to pop one of these ships before they themselves die is slim. If the ship is super expensive (relatively) then the worth in pirate ganking wouldn't really be there.
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:36:00 -
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote:thread
> implying Officer Weapons CAN be sold
/thread
Translation: you're all assuming Officer weapons shall be available on P2P market. And if CCP decided differently?
Why would they do that? Officer weapons are going to be one of the few items with actual market value.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 00:48:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Marston VC wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Marston VC wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:It's all about the demand when the market comes around
I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand.
Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). That is what I am planning to do with the sidearms so yes. I will dry up the Officer Sidearm well so badly that even the scarcity of users will not prevent me from charging high. how much money do you have approximately? It's not my money, it's on loan from one of the few Dust Billionaires
how much?
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Posted - 2014.01.14 02:27:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Marston VC wrote: how much?
[excel.speadsheet] here take my tax returns
Failed link! Im just curious man, you don't need to tell me who the loaner is or anything
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Marston VC
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:43:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Marston VC wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Marston VC wrote: how much?
[excel.speadsheet] here take my tax returns Failed link! Im just curious man, you don't need to tell me who the loaner is or anything Knowledge is power and I wasn't speaking in the strictest of terms. Man my cat died from curiosity, you should go to a doctor or something, get that checked out before it turns terminal.
I NEED THE TRUTH NOW BOJO, GIMMMEEEEE TRUTH
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