DUST Search - Officer weapons: will people really get rich off of them?

Marston VC wrote:

Kaughst wrote:

The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily.

Well it wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Technically we would only need a means to transport gear from location to location. The simple way of doing that would be to add an NPC corp that you can pay a certain rate based off distance of transport. This would create varying rates and so on. You could balance it in eve by just making it so Dust characters cant have ownership of eve gear. This would be a temporary means of game balance until a more developed transport system is implemented. Basically it would be like clone packs in PC. Right now you either make your clones or buy them from an NPC corp. Theoretically CCP wants EVE pilots to transport these clones in the future. But there using NPC corps as place holders for the time being. Same concept really.


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Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:56:00 - [1] - Quote The market will likely fluctuate at first. What will likely happen is that the prices will be jacked up at the beginning to try to take advantage of the temporary confusion that will only last for about a week at best before prices drop due to lack of demand. Once the prices drop, those who depend on these officer weapons will take advantage of the low price and stockpile and then be able to burn through them no problem thinking that the prices will stay the same. However, savy marketeers like me will likely take advantage of the low prices use that to manipulate the market in a way that will ensure the return of expensive officer gear while us marketeers reap the profits. It will be a glorious day. And the best part about it? CCP won't even intervene. Hell, they let Jita Burn for 3 days straight while calling it "f-ing brilliant". OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:07:00 - [2] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: All dust players that came from eve know how the market works, tho only diferance in eve is you can make killer profits by moving items to covenient locations where people will buy them at high prices to save time. That much is true I suppose. I wonder when location will become a factor in dust? right now your location doesn't mean anything. This will be a huge factor I bet. If CCP allows us to move freely to different stations in different systems in different regions and allow us to setup orders in one region while setting up orders in another region, that would be great. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:14:00 - [3] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: However I would put a few at inflated prices because there's no harm in trying. Your odds are pretty high if you think about it. Ask yourself these questions. 1. How many Dust players actually read the forums... at all? Take a look at Eve Online where it's been confirmed for 10 years now that there are plenty of Eve players who don't visit the forums at all. 2. How many Dust players will even bother to do their research before recklessly clicking on the "BUY NOW" button? 3. How infinite is human stupidity? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:16:00 - [4] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Just like the diamond trade right? Blood Diamonds, my friend. Blood Diamonds. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6411	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:31:00 - [5] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: im going to make a long term investment when P2P trading drops, everyones gonna be like "FIRE SAIL EVERYTHING MUST GO!" and im going to keep my officer stuff and buy everyone elses when the price goes so low there worthless and then i will have almost full control of the officer weapons then when the price is high i will slowly flood the market and stomp out any competition You'll have to face me plus many others like me as competition soon enough. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6414	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:46:00 - [6] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Kaughst wrote: The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily. Well it wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Technically we would only need a means to transport gear from location to location. The simple way of doing that would be to add an NPC corp that you can pay a certain rate based off distance of transport. This would create varying rates and so on. You could balance it in eve by just making it so Dust characters cant have ownership of eve gear. This would be a temporary means of game balance until a more developed transport system is implemented. Basically it would be like clone packs in PC. Right now you either make your clones or buy them from an NPC corp. Theoretically CCP wants EVE pilots to transport these clones in the future. But there using NPC corps as place holders for the time being. Same concept really. Alternatively that can expand on an already-existing system in Eve Online to move Dust-owned gear. Two systems actually. First System: NPC Transport Ships You see this little transports everywhere in New Eden especially in high-sec space. They are often loaded with loot that you can salvage assuming you know how to attack them without drawing the attention of the station guns (which is possible by the way). CCP can implement stronger NPC transport ships whenever a Dust players uses them to move from station to station. The current drawback with this idea is that currently the NPC transports that go from station to station are restricted to movement inside a single star system only. CCP could implement special NPC transports that can ferry Dust-related gear from system to system while still facing the risk of getting suicide ganked by Eve players along the way. This can be used a temporary (but cheap) measure until the second system is expanded upon. Second System: Courier Contracts Currently Eve Online players often provide courier services via contracts that are setup either publicly or privately. While ferrying the goods, the goods are locked up by the issuer of the courier contract in a special container that can't be scanned or opened in the event that the courier either loses his ship carrying the goods to gankers or decides to try to steal the goods for himself. At the same time, the carrier must give up collateral (be it in ISK or an asset) that can only be held by the issuer of the contract temporarily but put into limbo to prevent the issuer from selling the collateral in the meantime until the contract has been fulfilled. If the contract has been fulfilled, the collateral is automatically taken out of limbo and given back to the courier. If the contract has not been fulfilled in the allotted time, the contract closes, collateral is taken out of the limbo and given to the issuer instead as compensation for the loss of the goods and the courier is left with a useless container he can't access and nobody wants. The Courier Contracts would be much more expensive as they are driven by market forces and player greed, but the system is much more secure and has a much higher guarantee of the goods reaching their destination. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6419	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:38:00 - [7] - Quote Welcome to New Eden economics, folks. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*