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Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6411
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:16:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Just like the diamond trade right?
Blood Diamonds, my friend. Blood Diamonds.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1187
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:17:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:However I would put a few at inflated prices because there's no harm in trying. Your odds are pretty high if you think about it. Ask yourself these questions. 1. How many Dust players actually read the forums... at all? Take a look at Eve Online where it's been confirmed for 10 years now that there are plenty of Eve players who don't visit the forums at all. 2. How many Dust players will even bother to do their research before recklessly clicking on the "BUY NOW" button? 3. How infinite is human stupidity? Point 3 was more than enough, the rest was overkill.
"Always fight dirty, the victor writes history"
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Aleph Rynedee
Science For Death
30
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:17:00 -
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How many of these weapons actually exist? Anyone have a ballpark on the number of Thale's, for example, that are running around New Eden? It'd be interesting to see how many actually make it to market (and how quickly).
If the smart money is on hanging on to these weapons to sell a later date at a substantial profit, why is everyone expecting the market to flood with cheap weapons on day one? I'm guessing most expectations revolve around prepubescent idiots selling their sparse stock at clear out prices, but who in Dust hasn't heard of the Thale's sniper rifle, much less been assaulted by one from two maps over?
Thale's is the most reviled weapon in the game, one everyone thinks should cost seven or eight figures. I wouldn't be surprised to see the average asking price to hover around the 15m ISK range (I'd think the world is ending if prices hover in the low six figures (or Dust was populated by concussed gamers)). |
Sev Alcatraz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
400
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:29:00 -
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im going to make a long term investment when P2P trading drops, everyones gonna be like "FIRE SAIL EVERYTHING MUST GO!" and im going to keep my officer stuff and buy everyone elses when the price goes so low there worthless and then i will have almost full control of the officer weapons then when the price is high i will slowly flood the market and stomp out any competition
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Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6411
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:31:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:im going to make a long term investment when P2P trading drops, everyones gonna be like "FIRE SAIL EVERYTHING MUST GO!" and im going to keep my officer stuff and buy everyone elses when the price goes so low there worthless and then i will have almost full control of the officer weapons then when the price is high i will slowly flood the market and stomp out any competition
You'll have to face me plus many others like me as competition soon enough.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
372
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:47:00 -
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im actually part of a group of freinds that plan on buying 4.5 billion isk worth of officer weapons day 1 (as of now , will increase as more isk becomes available to us) we plan on doing it at the initail deflation of them and will buy all possible
we will then trickle them into the system at a 27% price increase
why am i telling you? because you either dont care or dont beleive me or dont matter,
Proud Christian
one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
373
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:50:00 -
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Aleph Rynedee wrote:How many of these weapons actually exist? Anyone have a ballpark on the number of Thale's, for example, that are running around New Eden? It'd be interesting to see how many actually make it to market (and how quickly).
If the smart money is on hanging on to these weapons to sell a later date at a substantial profit, why is everyone expecting the market to flood with cheap weapons on day one? I'm guessing most expectations revolve around prepubescent idiots selling their sparse stock at clear out prices, but who in Dust hasn't heard of the Thale's sniper rifle, much less been assaulted by one from two maps over?
Thale's is the most reviled weapon in the game, one everyone thinks should cost seven or eight figures. I wouldn't be surprised to see the average asking price to hover around the 15m ISK range (I'd think the world is ending if prices hover in the low six figures (or Dust was populated by concussed gamers)). simple really, a large number of people have them and are to impatient to wait 3 months to sell them and thier gonna have to sell at competitive rates
Proud Christian
one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
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The Robot Devil
molon labe. Public Disorder.
1534
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:51:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:It's all about the demand when the market comes around
I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand.
Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it).
All of these things are going to happen and they are all good. Let the market work and three or four months in you will know the price. Don't be scared it's just fake money and 1s and 0s.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
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Gorgak Brunt
Terrestrial Trading Consortium of New Eden
7
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:54:00 -
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I buy vehicles at 85% of the current market price. 35M ISK ready to by AUR/salvage/umwanted hulls. Serious.
Gorgak Brunt
Procurement Officer
Terrestrial Trading Consortium of New Eden
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Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
144
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:58:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:So whenever the long anticipated P2P market comes out, its believed that many people will be selling their officer weapons for profit. But you see..... Almost everyone ive talked to has said pretty much the same stuff "ohhhh yeahhhh im going to make a killing off these officer weapons" But realistically...... if everyone is selling them...... will they really be that valuable? If every active merc in the game has between 20-50 balac assault rifles, are they really all that rare?
I mean, as people burn through them I suppose they will actually become valuable but I feel like day 1 market trading is going to be filled with all sorts of scams and other such stuff.
How much do you guys think these rifles will sell for? Surely they wont sell for "that" much. Several hundred thousand? A million each? What do you guys think?
they will sell for as much as the market will bear. So i recommend setting initial prices high and seeing what the competition is offering then gauge the price. But honestly most people will trade rifles with their corp mates. This market needs to happen, its part of the bigger picture that makes dust so unique. |
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
5508
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:05:00 -
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Ah such silly humans. I won't sell my officer weapons. They are mine, no human is allowed to set his hands on them
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Nylana Ernaga
State Patriots
1
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:08:00 -
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You guys have been talking about this since the dinosaurs. |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
373
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:19:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Ah such silly humans. I won't sell my officer weapons. They are mine, no human is allowed to set his hands on them i will strip them from your cold dead paws... then hand them to your freshly cloned paws. i like to help people out.
Proud Christian
one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
1867
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:21:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:No one, people seem to think they cost more than they really will.
The people that might get rich are people who can play the market correctly. Viktor, you should have a pretty decent amount of isk at this point. Several billion at least. Would it be reasonable to assume you'll try and buy as low as you can and stock up until the market prices rise a few months later?
That would be a good assumption but until i know the full depth of how the market will work and what will be in it i have no game plan.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1073
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:30:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:It's all about the demand when the market comes around
I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand.
Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it).
Looks at my one billion isk from pubs and whistles.................. Hmmmm on what will I spend it on?
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fawkuima juggalo
Eternal Beings
842
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:41:00 -
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omg player market now plz thx bye!!!!
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AGGRESSIVE TYPE
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Posted - 2014.01.13 06:21:00 -
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I will charge very high prices because no way am I putting all of my balacs and thales out there for cheap.
You are welcome for my leadership
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Bojo The Mighty
L.O.T.I.S.
2679
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Posted - 2014.01.13 06:26:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:It's all about the demand when the market comes around
I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand.
Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). That is what I am planning to do with the sidearms so yes. I will dry up the Officer Sidearm well so badly that even the scarcity of users will not prevent me from charging high.
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1487
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:38:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Marston VC wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:It's all about the demand when the market comes around
I'm hoping that heavies are super OP when the market does come around because I have 40 of both Gastun's. People will charge up the yin yang for Balac's although they are relatively common, their demand will be high enough that the price will surpass what quantity will demand.
Thale's same thing, Cala's and Wolfman's may go for lower prices but those are sidearms so of course they would. So the real question is, does a big corporation like for example AE buy up literally hundreds to thousands of these officer weapons and try to create artificial scarcity to drive up the price? (kind of like how diamond suppliers do it). That is what I am planning to do with the sidearms so yes. I will dry up the Officer Sidearm well so badly that even the scarcity of users will not prevent me from charging high.
how much money do you have approximately?
Marston VC, STB Director
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Kaughst
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:54:00 -
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The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily.
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Virtual Riot
The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
123
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:57:00 -
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I'm going to redirect you to this long and well thought out post I did on the price of officer weapons I did a while back.
I'm sure it will answers most if not all of your questions. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1488
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:58:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily.
Well it wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Technically we would only need a means to transport gear from location to location. The simple way of doing that would be to add an NPC corp that you can pay a certain rate based off distance of transport. This would create varying rates and so on. You could balance it in eve by just making it so Dust characters cant have ownership of eve gear. This would be a temporary means of game balance until a more developed transport system is implemented. Basically it would be like clone packs in PC. Right now you either make your clones or buy them from an NPC corp. Theoretically CCP wants EVE pilots to transport these clones in the future. But there using NPC corps as place holders for the time being. Same concept really.
Marston VC, STB Director
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SHANN da MAN
D3LTA FORC3
153
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:14:00 -
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I don't think there will be as many Officer Weapons on the OPEN market as everyone thinks ...
What will probably happen is that members within corps will swap around Officer Weapons to other members .. ie. Sniper with 100 Gastuns will swap with Heavy in corp for 100 Thale's.
This will account for at least half of Officer Weapon trading at least at first, and will multiply the effective firepower of Corp players by having a Large supply of Officer Weapons available for use without having to spend a lot of ISK on the free market.
nothing to see here ... move along
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Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6414
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:46:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Kaughst wrote:The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily. Well it wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Technically we would only need a means to transport gear from location to location. The simple way of doing that would be to add an NPC corp that you can pay a certain rate based off distance of transport. This would create varying rates and so on. You could balance it in eve by just making it so Dust characters cant have ownership of eve gear. This would be a temporary means of game balance until a more developed transport system is implemented. Basically it would be like clone packs in PC. Right now you either make your clones or buy them from an NPC corp. Theoretically CCP wants EVE pilots to transport these clones in the future. But there using NPC corps as place holders for the time being. Same concept really.
Alternatively that can expand on an already-existing system in Eve Online to move Dust-owned gear. Two systems actually.
First System: NPC Transport Ships You see this little transports everywhere in New Eden especially in high-sec space. They are often loaded with loot that you can salvage assuming you know how to attack them without drawing the attention of the station guns (which is possible by the way). CCP can implement stronger NPC transport ships whenever a Dust players uses them to move from station to station.
The current drawback with this idea is that currently the NPC transports that go from station to station are restricted to movement inside a single star system only. CCP could implement special NPC transports that can ferry Dust-related gear from system to system while still facing the risk of getting suicide ganked by Eve players along the way. This can be used a temporary (but cheap) measure until the second system is expanded upon.
Second System: Courier Contracts Currently Eve Online players often provide courier services via contracts that are setup either publicly or privately. While ferrying the goods, the goods are locked up by the issuer of the courier contract in a special container that can't be scanned or opened in the event that the courier either loses his ship carrying the goods to gankers or decides to try to steal the goods for himself.
At the same time, the carrier must give up collateral (be it in ISK or an asset) that can only be held by the issuer of the contract temporarily but put into limbo to prevent the issuer from selling the collateral in the meantime until the contract has been fulfilled. If the contract has been fulfilled, the collateral is automatically taken out of limbo and given back to the courier. If the contract has not been fulfilled in the allotted time, the contract closes, collateral is taken out of the limbo and given to the issuer instead as compensation for the loss of the goods and the courier is left with a useless container he can't access and nobody wants.
The Courier Contracts would be much more expensive as they are driven by market forces and player greed, but the system is much more secure and has a much higher guarantee of the goods reaching their destination.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
931
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:46:00 -
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Didn't read the thread, but don't forget that these days we only get 3x weapons in salvage compared to was it 5 or 10 before? You do accumulate the weapons a helluva lot slower, and when the supply rate starts to dwindle the prices will shoot up.
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XEROO COOL
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
339
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:22:00 -
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Buy high.. Sell low...
can I haz isk?
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
374
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:38:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily. there are many things that are beyond simplified in comparison to eve blueprints traveling to battle corporations etc i hope we do complicate this game but dont let it stand in the way of content
Proud Christian
one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1490
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:55:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Marston VC wrote:Kaughst wrote:The thing I do not understand is how the P2P market will correlate with Eve. Eve players have to make jumps and long distance trips to sell items. The immediate problem of moving items around space in Dust is that it presents a level of unfairness compared to eve players where they need to take risk moving their product and eventually Dust players will have hold of Eve items. Combined with corp hangers I do not see how a player market could be implemented so easily. Well it wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Technically we would only need a means to transport gear from location to location. The simple way of doing that would be to add an NPC corp that you can pay a certain rate based off distance of transport. This would create varying rates and so on. You could balance it in eve by just making it so Dust characters cant have ownership of eve gear. This would be a temporary means of game balance until a more developed transport system is implemented. Basically it would be like clone packs in PC. Right now you either make your clones or buy them from an NPC corp. Theoretically CCP wants EVE pilots to transport these clones in the future. But there using NPC corps as place holders for the time being. Same concept really. Alternatively that can expand on an already-existing system in Eve Online to move Dust-owned gear. Two systems actually. First System: NPC Transport Ships You see this little transports everywhere in New Eden especially in high-sec space. They are often loaded with loot that you can salvage assuming you know how to attack them without drawing the attention of the station guns (which is possible by the way). CCP can implement stronger NPC transport ships whenever a Dust players uses them to move from station to station. The current drawback with this idea is that currently the NPC transports that go from station to station are restricted to movement inside a single star system only. CCP could implement special NPC transports that can ferry Dust-related gear from system to system while still facing the risk of getting suicide ganked by Eve players along the way. This can be used a temporary (but cheap) measure until the second system is expanded upon. Second System: Courier Contracts Currently Eve Online players often provide courier services via contracts that are setup either publicly or privately. While ferrying the goods, the goods are locked up by the issuer of the courier contract in a special container that can't be scanned or opened in the event that the courier either loses his ship carrying the goods to gankers or decides to try to steal the goods for himself. At the same time, the carrier must give up collateral (be it in ISK or an asset) that can only be held by the issuer of the contract temporarily but put into limbo to prevent the issuer from selling the collateral in the meantime until the contract has been fulfilled. If the contract has been fulfilled, the collateral is automatically taken out of limbo and given back to the courier. If the contract has not been fulfilled in the allotted time, the contract closes, collateral is taken out of the limbo and given to the issuer instead as compensation for the loss of the goods and the courier is left with a useless container he can't access and nobody wants. The Courier Contracts would be much more expensive as they are driven by market forces and player greed, but the system is much more secure and has a much higher guarantee of the goods reaching their destination.
Very well thought out Maken, I like this idea. Its actually not too far off from what I was thinking but definitely a lot more polished then anything I would have posted. Its been said before that EVE will probably handle the industrial side of both games for at least a while. Which honestly probably isn't such a bad idea.
My only problem with this idea, is that the loot in the NPC ships have to worth A LOT to be worth suicide ganking. You and I both know how fast Concord arrives in high sec, if the ship there using is super cheap the likely hood of being able to pop one of these ships before they themselves die is slim. If the ship is super expensive (relatively) then the worth in pirate ganking wouldn't really be there.
Marston VC, STB Director
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
72
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:11:00 -
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thread
> implying Officer Weapons CAN be sold
/thread
Translation: you're all assuming Officer weapons shall be available on P2P market. And if CCP decided differently?
If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
874
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:31:00 -
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I'm buying up all Officer PLCs
Watch. When CCP buffs them, they'll sell like hotcakes. I CAN CHARGE AN ARM AND A LEG FOR THEM, LITERALLY.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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