Really? Like, really really?

Then why on SKIM JUNCTION domination map do the following things happen:

#1. Assault Dropship sits directly over the NULL objective and hovers?
#2. 3 Swarm launcher equipped mercenaries are shooting it all at the same time, 3-6 shots hit the dropship and it just flies away and comes back.

rinse and repeat....

so tell me, how is that NOT OP?

Really? Like, really really?

Then why on SKIM JUNCTION domination map do the following things happen:

#1. Assault Dropship sits directly over the NULL objective and hovers?
#2. 3 Swarm launcher equipped mercenaries are shooting it all at the same time, 3-6 shots hit the dropship and it just flies away and comes back.

rinse and repeat....

so tell me, how is that NOT OP?

Dropships in general have the redline to their disposal, they just need to pop the afterburner and get to the ceiling of the map in a matter of seconds. It is very hypocrite from their part to say something about rail tanks.

If you want to balance the dropships just decrease the altitude they can reach and its open season

Dropships in general have the redline to their disposal, they just need to pop the afterburner and get to the ceiling of the map in a matter of seconds. It is very hypocrite from their part to say something about rail tanks.

If you want to balance the dropships just decrease the altitude they can reach and its open season

Dropships in general have the redline to their disposal, they just need to pop the afterburner and get to the ceiling of the map in a matter of seconds. It is very hypocrite from their part to say something about rail tanks.

If you want to balance the dropships just decrease the altitude they can reach and its open season

THE CEILING IS NOT A REDLINE. A redline means the enemy cannot enter it no matter what. The flight ceiling can be used by both friendly and enemies... if derpship is near the ground then use a tank to fight it, if the derpship goes to the skies then send in your air squadron to fight in air to air battle.

If you want to kill a derpship in the ceiling GET OUT OF YOUR TANK AND CALL IN YOUR ADS AND GO FIGHT IT UP THERE!!!! DONT HAVE ONE, THEN SPEC INTO ONE!!! DONT WANT TO WASTE YOUR SP, THEN STOP COMPLAINING!!!

Tanks are HEAVY ATTACK VEHICLE!!! GO ATTACK STUFF. There are no ANTI AIR TANKS, clearly, your tank isnt meant to attack derpships in the ceiling. Because of that, derpships cant do anything while at the ceiling either other than fight other derpships that are up there.

Finally, a real tanker knows that they can still reach a derpship when it is in the flight ceiling. While the derpship can not do anything to a tank behind the redline.

Just because you cant kill a derpship in the ceiling doesnt mean everyone else cant either.

If it's hovering, than it's a prime target for a rail tank....seriously, this happened to me, so myself and a squadmate, spawned in our redline, called in rail tanks and blew the dropship up.

He came back, but we railed him again....once he got the message, I called in my python and went assault dropshiping :p

Dropships in general have the redline to their disposal, they just need to pop the afterburner and get to the ceiling of the map in a matter of seconds. It is very hypocrite from their part to say something about rail tanks.

If you want to balance the dropships just decrease the altitude they can reach and its open season

Actually, The high Angle and large alpha of the Large Missles turret makes it an extremely effective Mid range AA if you are a good shot.

I have killed many ADS with it and i consider it one of the better all around anti vehicle wepaons. Although rail still takes the lead given the ROF atm.

None the less the point being I don't think you can totally rule out tanks not having AA they just don't have comprehensive wide area AA. but they can make an ADS or 2 **** off a point for an entire match with a missiles system.

Those rapid fire rail tanks and a steady hand are close on these small maps though......
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Really? Like, really really?

Then why on SKIM JUNCTION domination map do the following things happen:

#1. Assault Dropship sits directly over the NULL objective and hovers?
#2. 3 Swarm launcher equipped mercenaries are shooting it all at the same time, 3-6 shots hit the dropship and it just flies away and comes back.

rinse and repeat....

so tell me, how is that NOT OP?

Don't complain because you're not willing to grind. we all did. over 13 mill SP went into my derpship. And if we get a dropsuit respec, ima put that into my derpship. Started from the bottom now we here!!!!

I love how pretentious you are....its actually rather hilarious. I'm not trying to be rude or flame you or anything, but please allow me just a moment to explain you, to you.

You assume I'm unwilling to grind, regardless of the fact I've grinded pre 1.7 so hardcore it would make you question me. I'd have my bonus SP exhausted by Thursday night and I'd play Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday & Tuesday and the max I'd ever get in SP is 1500.

I have countless emails to myself (when I need to leave myself a note, I pull up my email and write myself an email) of calculations and how much SP I'd have if I did this or how much SP I'd have if I did that.

I did that for nearly 6 months and the only time I'd NOT do it was sleeping, working or spending time with my girlfriend (my girlfriend is very pretty, can't neglect her lol)

So don't waggle your pretentious opinion that I am "not willing to grind" when in fact that is NOT the truth. I don't have swarm launchers....why would I have ever skilled into that? I'm never one of the swarm launcher guys.

I'm a Battle/Slayer/Combat logi....I rock an Amarr Proto Logi suit, 3 sets of remote explosives, a duvolle AR / ishukone RR, a freaking truckload of complex armor plating, damage mods, a shield extender, an SMG and some nasty nades for when sh!t gets dicey and I'm in a pinch.

I police objectives remotely and lurk around in the shadows and try not to get killed. Occasionally I'll go CQC if I can get in a fight that doesn't have a tank rolling me over every 10 seconds. I'll even kamikaze myself if I think I can set the domination point with explosives and stop raspberries from hacking.

But its bad enough when you feel like the weapons you have spent so much time "grinding" to skill in too are useless because someone else with the same weapon kills you in what feels like ONE shot when you've drained an entire clip into them....but what's worse is when you can't even hope to fight back against some punk ass b!tch who sits in a dropship and just shoots you with rockets. These fools you see go 50/0 or 46/1 and whatever else are just like the tankers....have zero skill and can't hack it CQC.

I feel like that's a load of crap, honestly. That's just my opinion though man.

I love how pretentious you are....its actually rather hilarious. I'm not trying to be rude or flame you or anything, but please allow me just a moment to explain you, to you.

You assume I'm unwilling to grind, regardless of the fact I've grinded pre 1.7 so hardcore it would make you question me. I'd have my bonus SP exhausted by Thursday night and I'd play Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday & Tuesday and the max I'd ever get in SP is 1500.

I have countless emails to myself (when I need to leave myself a note, I pull up my email and write myself an email) of calculations and how much SP I'd have if I did this or how much SP I'd have if I did that.

I did that for nearly 6 months and the only time I'd NOT do it was sleeping, working or spending time with my girlfriend (my girlfriend is very pretty, can't neglect her lol)

So don't waggle your pretentious opinion that I am "not willing to grind" when in fact that is NOT the truth. I don't have swarm launchers....why would I have ever skilled into that? I'm never one of the swarm launcher guys.

I'm a Battle/Slayer/Combat logi....I rock an Amarr Proto Logi suit, 3 sets of remote explosives, a duvolle AR / ishukone RR, a freaking truckload of complex armor plating, damage mods, a shield extender, an SMG and some nasty nades for when sh!t gets dicey and I'm in a pinch.

I police objectives remotely and lurk around in the shadows and try not to get killed. Occasionally I'll go CQC if I can get in a fight that doesn't have a tank rolling me over every 10 seconds. I'll even kamikaze myself if I think I can set the domination point with explosives and stop raspberries from hacking.

But its bad enough when you feel like the weapons you have spent so much time "grinding" to skill in too are useless because someone else with the same weapon kills you in what feels like ONE shot when you've drained an entire clip into them....but what's worse is when you can't even hope to fight back against some punk ass b!tch who sits in a dropship and just shoots you with rockets. These fools you see go 50/0 or 46/1 and whatever else are just like the tankers....have zero skill and can't hack it CQC.

I feel like that's a load of crap, honestly. That's just my opinion though man.

I love how pretentious you are....its actually rather hilarious. I'm not trying to be rude or flame you or anything, but please allow me just a moment to explain you, to you.

You assume I'm unwilling to grind, regardless of the fact I've grinded pre 1.7 so hardcore it would make you question me. I'd have my bonus SP exhausted by Thursday night and I'd play Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday & Tuesday and the max I'd ever get in SP is 1500.

I have countless emails to myself (when I need to leave myself a note, I pull up my email and write myself an email) of calculations and how much SP I'd have if I did this or how much SP I'd have if I did that.

I did that for nearly 6 months and the only time I'd NOT do it was sleeping, working or spending time with my girlfriend (my girlfriend is very pretty, can't neglect her lol)

So don't waggle your pretentious opinion that I am "not willing to grind" when in fact that is NOT the truth. I don't have swarm launchers....why would I have ever skilled into that? I'm never one of the swarm launcher guys.

I'm a Battle/Slayer/Combat logi....I rock an Amarr Proto Logi suit, 3 sets of remote explosives, a duvolle AR / ishukone RR, a freaking truckload of complex armor plating, damage mods, a shield extender, an SMG and some nasty nades for when sh!t gets dicey and I'm in a pinch.

I police objectives remotely and lurk around in the shadows and try not to get killed. Occasionally I'll go CQC if I can get in a fight that doesn't have a tank rolling me over every 10 seconds. I'll even kamikaze myself if I think I can set the domination point with explosives and stop raspberries from hacking.

But its bad enough when you feel like the weapons you have spent so much time "grinding" to skill in too are useless because someone else with the same weapon kills you in what feels like ONE shot when you've drained an entire clip into them....but what's worse is when you can't even hope to fight back against some punk ass b!tch who sits in a dropship and just shoots you with rockets. These fools you see go 50/0 or 46/1 and whatever else are just like the tankers....have zero skill and can't hack it CQC.

I feel like that's a load of crap, honestly. That's just my opinion though man.

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And here I make it a point not to rail ADS, unless they come after me.

Dropships in general have the redline to their disposal, they just need to pop the afterburner and get to the ceiling of the map in a matter of seconds. It is very hypocrite from their part to say something about rail tanks.

If you want to balance the dropships just decrease the altitude they can reach and its open season

Please, enlighten me as to how many vehicles and dropsuits die to dropships at the flight ceiling......

Anyone who can fly a dropship like Judge does in his intermediate and advanced instructional videos are obviously OP.

*Sniff* I practice SO much, but I can't get it. :'(

I could be your fit?
also try the gallente they seem to take more damage

It depends on what kind of damage you're talking about. Forges and swarms? Yes, but missiles like another dropship? Nope. And if you want to fly with speed and maneuverability then you really should try out the python with an afterburner fitted.

If assault dropships are OP, than how come I can't actually see my target when I shoot?

@ OP, 100% agree, +1

gallente have beeter top speed caldari have accelaration

My only qualm is the same one I have with tanks ATM, its just to easy to g out of dodge. Pop hardeners and run, its impossible to compete with given the range nerf n both forge and swarms. Other then that I think they go down fine IMO, damage is where it should be, its just the incapability to catch them as an AV that sucks ATM. Only thing that can consistanty hit them is rail tanks, which defeats the purpose of being AV lol.

ADS are OP in ambush simply because there are no hard counters. As a dropship in ambush you can simply listen for any RDV sound and check the overhead map for any tanks, which you can then take care of.
Having only deterrents yet no counters means OP.
In skirm/dom redline rails are counters, they either kill you or you're forced to retreat IMMEDIATELY.

Even tanks are normally not that OP, simply because other tanks can hard counter them w/ quick, serious damage and death. This is broken though when team get 4 or more tanks up at once though in ambush, as with no redline, a single enemy tank can't be an effective counter to them, as its almost impossible to single out the tanks.

So yes, there needs to be something thats a serious counter to you, or you're OP. Being deterred isn't enough, this is a video game, we don't shoot to wound, we shoot to kill. Same with vehicles.

Also, ADS do not take much skill, i got on the first day they were brought out and I was hitting people w/ rockets right off the bat, same with every patch afterwards despite the crappy camera views constantly being changed to even crappier ones.

TL;DR remove heavy & medium vehicles from ambush. Light only, LAVs, speeders, etc.

I replied but the forums ate it.

TL:DR, Even officer Forges can't alpha a dropship before its out of range, and other ADS's cant counter because the defending ADS can land and use a FG to hit the attacking ADS making it run, as a result they're just deterrents, they can't reliably kill ADSs.
As such, a skilled and careful ADS player will never lose his ADS in ambush.
They have no counters, only deterrents, thats OP.
Skirm/dom are fine because redline rails are hard counters.

An assault dropship yesterday, reminded me of something.
Something that makes all this ADS whining about "we cant get at tanks in redline", total and complete hipocrisy.

I was traveling along in my tank.. when suddenly, i get a rain of missiles on top of me.
Doesnt matter how fast I go to try to escape, the rain keeps falling.
I cant fight back. I cant run away fast enough. Almost nothing I can do.

Except perhaps run into redline.


So basically, all the whining about "wah wah railtanks have unfair advantage with redline: they can hit us, but we cant hit them",

is complaining about "we want them to come out of redline, so we can get back to, "We can hit THEM, but THEY cant hit US".

So.... yeah... petition CCP to allow tanks to fire back at you straight vertically, and when you get it, then you deserve some relief from redline rail tanks.