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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
423
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:38:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:If those logi changes come through my Cal logi is going to be one heck of a support logi Medic. Reviving heavies with 100% armor? YES PLEASE Not to mention the buffed efficiency to Nanohive(R)s your bonus would only effect your nanohives,plus theirs already a injector that does that...
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
6
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:42:00 -
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Yep was just thinking that it looks like it will o lay effect nanohives supply and repair rate, which is still pretty damb good IMO. |
Paladin Sas
Pro Hic Immortalis
284
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:58:00 -
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My inner combat engineer is happy :D |
Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
245
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:14:00 -
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50LD13R wrote:RKKR wrote:50LD13R wrote:As a Min logi, I can't wait. Any HP I lose by fitting a repper is offset by the fact that I might be able to stay under cover and still reach you with my rep tool. Oh, and bonus, fit better equip with the CPU/PG bonus. I can't wait untill the guy you're repping does a sidestep and dies. Ummm....ok, now where was that Cal logi (looks around hopefully) *sprints over with Kinetic cats and rezes the pore soul with 100% armor. Runs over to you and tosses down a triage Nanohive* (Just in case)
When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
Logi, Tanker, Heavy
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Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
245
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:15:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:If those logi changes come through my Cal logi is going to be one heck of a support logi Medic. Reviving heavies with 100% armor? YES PLEASE Not to mention the buffed efficiency to Nanohive(R)s your bonus would only effect your nanohives,plus there's already a injector that does that... No the proto version only heals 80% armor not 100%
When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
Logi, Tanker, Heavy
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
41
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:21:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:If those logi changes come through my Cal logi is going to be one heck of a support logi Medic. Reviving heavies with 100% armor? YES PLEASE Not to mention the buffed efficiency to Nanohive(R)s your bonus would only effect your nanohives,plus there's already a injector that does that... No the proto version only heals 80% armor not 100%
LP store Caldari. Specialist injector revives 100% |
Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
245
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:24:00 -
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Rizlax Yazzax wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:If those logi changes come through my Cal logi is going to be one heck of a support logi Medic. Reviving heavies with 100% armor? YES PLEASE Not to mention the buffed efficiency to Nanohive(R)s your bonus would only effect your nanohives,plus there's already a injector that does that... No the proto version only heals 80% armor not 100% LP store Caldari. Specialist injector revives 100% It dose
....guess im getting back into FW then
When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
Logi, Tanker, Heavy
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GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
212
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:25:00 -
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SteelheadPep wrote:You buffed the other suits, there was no need to nerf us. There are going to be alot less of us on the field, thanks CCP.
No your a slayer logi. Real logi's or "true" logis are those guys who die alot but have the most WP. Get in an assault suit if you want to kill people. The nerf is only effecting "slayer" logis
1.7 HMG hotfix works great. Now for more Heavy suits or guns soonGäó
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
534
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:29:00 -
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I;m not going to lie I am really going to miss repping at 12 hp a sec on my Amarr logi, but the overall equipment bonus is good, the specific recial bonuses however are crap and the resuly of CCP being lazy and unimaginative. I run all the equipment on my Gallente logi a bonus to just the scanner is stupid in my opinion.
The hack bonus suited the mimatar logi, the amarr bonus suited them as the "hybrid assault logi" gallente obviously would bneed a new bonus than what it currently has, and I can't even remember what the cal logi bonus is. |
Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
245
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:31:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:I;m not going to lie I am really going to miss repping at 12 hp a sec on my Amarr logi, but the overall equipment bonus is good, the specific recial bonuses however are crap and the resuly of CCP being lazy and unimaginative. I run all the equipment on my Gallente logi a bonus to just the scanner is stupid in my opinion.
The hack bonus suited the mimatar logi, the amarr bonus suited them as the "hybrid assault logi" gallente obviously would bneed a new bonus than what it currently has, and I can't even remember what the cal logi bonus is. 5% bonus per level to shield energizer efficiency.
When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
Logi, Tanker, Heavy
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
594
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:39:00 -
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Since I'm using a Mass Driver I'm pretty much forced to go into Amarr Logistics, since you'll auto-die to Heavies and are at an extreme disadvantage to Assaults without a side-arm. |
SteelheadPep
SAM-MIK
26
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:08:00 -
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GET ATMESON wrote:SteelheadPep wrote:You buffed the other suits, there was no need to nerf us. There are going to be alot less of us on the field, thanks CCP. No your a slayer logi. Real logi's or "true" logis are those guys who die alot but have the most WP. Get in an assault suit if you want to kill people. The nerf is only effecting "slayer" logis You can tell a real support logi by their KDR! You can be my guest and look mine up, have been a support logi (24 mil SP) since open beta.I guess I am one of the few who would put enough plate on their suit to stay alive for that extra few hits to try and help.My dodging abilities are not up to par with many of you rascals but I will try my best with the new bonuses. |
Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1524
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:17:00 -
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I have no problems with the Logi Suits, the only problems I have is concerning the bonuses, if I don't put a repair tool onto my minmatar logistics I have wasted half the SP I put into the skills.
What if, down the line, when we have Jammers, Shield Bubbles, Gun Turrets, Escort Drones, Webifiers, Webifier Mines, Dragon's Teeth, Sensor Array's and Goodness knows what else. What if I don't want a repair tool?
What If the Minmatar Logistics fits my play style but I only use one of the bonus skills?
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
376
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:21:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Its not a nerf, only making Logistics be what it was supposed to be in the first place.
I am sad to my hack bonus go away, but the improved repair rate for repair tools is a fair tradeoff.
Unless if course you don't use reppers, sub proto I get three slots and one of them is always going to be a scanner, the other two are generally spawns and nano's. Whats the point of a speed bouns (The whole reason I went minm) if in order to get any use from the bonus I have to be sitting next to people repping them?
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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BuTtHuRtPEepZ
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
167
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:41:00 -
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if the amaar assault does change its racial bonus, i will be switching from amaar assault to amaar logi simply due to slot layout |
MrShooter01
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:41:00 -
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I for one am absolutely devastated that my hacking bonus is going away and ccp nerfed me into a healing machine capable of keeping every teammate in a 45m radius at full armor
Oh wait, I can still fit complex codebreakers to the numerous lowslots like I already did AND heal all the things
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1520
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:42:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Huh?
Support logi's equipment will now cost 25% less CPU & PG.
Each of the logi suits get a specific support logi bonus.
How is that a nerf?
Squishy now. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1523
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:53:00 -
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A logi is a lot slower than an assault if you take into account how far they can run. Maybe you can run at the same speed as Usain Bolt, but if you only make it 10 feet before you're bent over with your hands on your knees you can't claim to be almost as fast as him.
That said, in no way does this make a logi squishy. The 5 hp per sec isn't anywhere near high enough to count as part of your tank. If you repaired 50 hp per second, maybe. With the fitting reduction to equipment you can use higher level plates and extenders, making up for any slot you sacrifice for tank regen. Or, instead of a repper, you could just carry one of the repping hives. If you take a serious amount of armor damage you can use it to top off before the next fight. Especially if you're a Caldari logi. All this change does is give assault suits a bonus to damage potential, while leaving logis the option of being amazing with equipment while still having one of the stiffest tanks around. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2671
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:00:00 -
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I'll probably drop the MIN suit and go GAL or CAL. I'm an equipment specialist and rarely use a repair tool. Caldari would probably fit my play style best as far as the bonus, but due to a lack of slots I'll probably opt for GAL. Proto uplinks are already very quick spawning and the Amar suit is gimped for slots so it's trash.
That means giving up use of my SEVR suit, but so be it.
Given the chance I'll dump the MD. It's a fun weapon but with boost to RoF on all those auto weapons it will be suicide to carry. |
SteelheadPep
SAM-MIK
27
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Posted - 2014.01.10 03:03:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:A logi is a lot slower than an assault if you take into account how far they can run. Maybe you can run at the same speed as Usain Bolt, but if you only make it 10 feet before you're bent over with your hands on your knees you can't claim to be almost as fast as him.
That said, in no way does this make a logi squishy. The 5 hp per sec isn't anywhere near high enough to count as part of your tank. If you repaired 50 hp per second, maybe. With the fitting reduction to equipment you can use higher level plates and extenders, making up for any slot you sacrifice for tank regen. Or, instead of a repper, you could just carry one of the repping hives. If you take a serious amount of armor damage you can use it to top off before the next fight. Especially if you're a Caldari logi. All this change does is give assault suits a bonus to damage potential, while leaving logis the option of being amazing with equipment while still having one of the stiffest tanks around. The base HP for logi suits is about 60 Hp less than the average assault, that is a hunk of burning love in my book. Now if you have to add a repair mod to one of your low slots that's easily 100+Hp that you had before that is used up for something your suit had before . The rep hives work if you stand still not so good in the middle of a fire fight when you are dancing around. With the assault suits getting more killing power these issues will become even more obvious. Skilled into Gal logi after the Cal logi adjustment, the equip. Bonus is nice to have on all frames.The racial bonuses are hit or miss and don't seem to have much of a wow factor IMO. |
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
668
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Posted - 2014.01.10 03:14:00 -
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THIS PATCH IS FOR ALL TRUE LOGIS! A TRUE LOGI DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HOW MUCH DPS HE GIVES OR HOW MUCH ARMOR AND SHIELD HE HAS! HE ONLY CARES ABOUT SUPPORTING HIS BATTLE BROTHERS! ANYTHING ELSE AND YOUR ARE A FALSE LOGI AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED ACCORDINGLY! But seriously i cant wait to use the new minnie logi. I can finally be the ultimate medic. Thank you CCP for listening to the true logis and ignoring the kill nuts who use the logi suit just to score kills. |
Twelve Guage
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
36
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Posted - 2014.01.10 03:51:00 -
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Only thing I hate is that ccps maybe taking my hacking bonus away I'm still going to be around for better or worse. When you support your team they support you. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
1556
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Posted - 2014.01.10 03:55:00 -
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I admit, I will most certainly miss the free armor rep.
Otherwise, best nerf evar!
MOAR NERFS!
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2065
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Posted - 2014.01.10 04:44:00 -
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Get those Core Reppers ready fellas, Ryno is coming through in a tanked out Gallente Heavy - and I only stop to reload.
Beer before Liquor, never sicker.
Toothpaste before Orange Juice, you're dead.
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Dj grammer
Red Star. EoN.
90
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Posted - 2014.01.10 04:50:00 -
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all I got from this was the following:
1.) Run free suits for the time being. You will not know what you may like now with the drop suit update. You may not even stay in the same role you were in before. The downfall is that you maybe at a severe disadvantage when facing others who "jumped right on in". However you are at an advantage when it comes to planning out what you like and what you need to do.
2.) If anything, start dropping skill points into dropsuit upgrades. This is the killer for many people, some may forget that the suit's full potential comes from upgrades not the suit by itself. If you max out core upgrades along with electronics and engineering, you can fit advance modules on a militia suit and so on.
3.) For the logistics players, we have the option of fitting on a repair module if we wanted to but will give up a low slot and space just to get the old bonus back.
4.) We need to consider our profile level a little more when making outfits. With the Gallente Logi bonus and scanners the way they are now, profile levels need considering but only if you run alone. If in a squad it shouldn't matter as much.
Thoughts?
Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet.
Tends to flip the table when seeing the words:
YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
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Dj grammer
Red Star. EoN.
92
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Posted - 2014.01.10 07:15:00 -
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Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet.
Tends to flip the table when seeing the words:
YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
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SteelheadPep
SAM-MIK
29
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Posted - 2014.01.10 11:05:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:THIS PATCH IS FOR ALL TRUE LOGIS! A TRUE LOGI DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HOW MUCH DPS HE GIVES OR HOW MUCH ARMOR AND SHIELD HE HAS! HE ONLY CARES ABOUT SUPPORTING HIS BATTLE BROTHERS! ANYTHING ELSE AND YOUR ARE A FALSE LOGI AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED ACCORDINGLY! But seriously i cant wait to use the new minnie logi. I can finally be the ultimate medic. Thank you CCP for listening to the true logis and ignoring the kill nuts who use the logi suit just to score kills. Supporting your team means you have to stay alive to help them, logis are easy targets now and any red knows to take us out first. Our suits have to have survivability in order to do that, the other bonuses will be for naught if you are getting cut down to much, as well as ISK it takes to run a decent suit on a regular basis.Trying to show that what we are going to lose is more significant than it appears (thus my wording nerf) . |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day
702
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Posted - 2014.01.10 11:07:00 -
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I will continue as always... just further away from the firefight. which suits me fine I just like RE's more than reppers
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
100
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Posted - 2014.01.10 11:19:00 -
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I couldn't find a logi if I wanted to, with 75% of them being gallogissaults and a logissault mix for the remainder. Now that I think of it I haven't seen a Callogi in forever. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1327
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Posted - 2014.01.10 11:23:00 -
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Its not a nerf, its a change of role. And honestly, that is worse than a nerf.
The Amarr Logi is no longer a frontlines medic, but an uplink mule. The Min Logi isn't a hacking specialist anymore, but a designated chubby chaser. The Cal Logi isn't a combat Logi anymore, but a hive mule. The Gal Logi is actually fairly unchanged.
Most everyone has no problem with the actual Logi bonus change, and many actually like it. But, some people... some logis, have a problem with the racial bonuses not because they aren't good, but because they are too different and specialized.
That is why some people, including myself, are upset about the proposed Logi bonuses.
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