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Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1488	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:26:00 - [1] - Quote You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Maitue Mae Vortex State Empire Dark Taboo 36	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:27:00 - [2] - Quote Hell yeah.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 273	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:28:00 - [3] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return crysis 2 snipers again.......mmmmmmmmmmmm..... I use a tablet so beware of typos
Oswald Rehnquist 1006	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:31:00 - [4] - Quote Red line? Why limit your target selection or hamper your team with such tactics? You can aim while cloaked 200 M away in the middle of the map, shoot and scoot to a safe location and your enemies will not be the wiser. Below 28 dB
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5462	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:31:00 - [5] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return Simple lore worthy answer.... "Players will not be able to fire from the redline as it is not a CONCORD authorised combat zone, weapon restrictions will be in effect." Extend teams redlines and reduced enemy redlines and they overlap too much to be effective sniper positions forcing smart snipers to be on the map cloaking up. Though I doubt cloaks will mean much to snipers who will fire and then immediately break cloak, if Dust 514 cloak works the same way as EVE stealth systems. It will be an infiltration and ambush tool but require recharging and careful positioning so as not to expose a scout....since light frames are so weak HP wise being not seen is the best buffer you could have. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3793	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:32:00 - [6] - Quote Why bother, the cloak is equipment so you'd have to have it out to have it active, cloaking when someone comes for you seems like a better use of resources then activating the cloak, deactivating, then reactivating after the cooldown finishes. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3793	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:34:00 - [7] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Red line? Why limit your target selection or hamper your team with such tactics? You can aim while cloaked 200 M away in the middle of the map, shoot and scoot to a safe location and your enemies will not be the wiser. You can't aim and cloak last I checked, you've got to have the cloak out to use it. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Oswald Rehnquist 1006	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:34:00 - [8] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Why bother, the cloak is equipment so you'd have to have it out to have it active, cloaking when someone comes for you seems like a better use of resources then activating the cloak, deactivating, then reactivating after the cooldown finishes. You can actually use your weapon while cloaked, I know it shocked me too Below 28 dB
Oswald Rehnquist 1006	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:35:00 - [9] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/eEeKFxI.png read the cal scout description Below 28 dB
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 74	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:43:00 - [10] - Quote Woah, just realized Cloak + Nova Knives + CalScout.

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3464	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:45:00 - [11] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Red line? Why limit your target selection or hamper your team with such tactics? You can aim while cloaked 200 M away in the middle of the map, shoot and scoot to a safe location and your enemies will not be the wiser. I prefer to snipe from the enemy redline. Last place they ever check. We used to have a time machine
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 74	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:47:00 - [12] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Red line? Why limit your target selection or hamper your team with such tactics? You can aim while cloaked 200 M away in the middle of the map, shoot and scoot to a safe location and your enemies will not be the wiser. I prefer to snipe from the enemy redline. Last place they ever check. If I ever get sniped by you now I know exactly where to look.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3796	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:38:00 - [13] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Why bother, the cloak is equipment so you'd have to have it out to have it active, cloaking when someone comes for you seems like a better use of resources then activating the cloak, deactivating, then reactivating after the cooldown finishes. You can actually use your weapon while cloaked, I know it shocked me too You're joking right? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 118	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:58:00 - [14] - Quote Don't forget guys, you have to be able to fit all this on your suit in order to use it, chances are the cloak will have high fitting reqs, which will make the Scout skills more appealing when using a cloak.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 118	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:02:00 - [15] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Why bother, the cloak is equipment so you'd have to have it out to have it active, cloaking when someone comes for you seems like a better use of resources then activating the cloak, deactivating, then reactivating after the cooldown finishes. You can actually use your weapon while cloaked, I know it shocked me too You're joking right? There is currently no solid evidence to support this, only a slightly misleading role description on the Cal Scout, but it's still speculated that we can fire while cloaked, which makes sense for the Min Scout, it would just get annoying to have to decloak every time you're about to backstab a target.
Oswald Rehnquist 1011	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:03:00 - [16] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Why bother, the cloak is equipment so you'd have to have it out to have it active, cloaking when someone comes for you seems like a better use of resources then activating the cloak, deactivating, then reactivating after the cooldown finishes. You can actually use your weapon while cloaked, I know it shocked me too You're joking right? I am not, the cal scout bonus allows more shots before you decloak Below 28 dB
Oswald Rehnquist 1011	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:07:00 - [17] - Quote Absoliav wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Why bother, the cloak is equipment so you'd have to have it out to have it active, cloaking when someone comes for you seems like a better use of resources then activating the cloak, deactivating, then reactivating after the cooldown finishes. You can actually use your weapon while cloaked, I know it shocked me too You're joking right? There is currently no solid evidence to support this, only a slightly misleading role description on the Cal Scout, but it's still speculated that we can fire while cloaked, which makes sense for the Min Scout, it would just get annoying to have to decloak every time you're about to backstab a target. The cal scout racial also supports this as well, along with its description, thus shooting while cloaked is what they currently have on the test server. Below 28 dB
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1438	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:08:00 - [18] - Quote If I remember well, cloak allows you to run only: as soon as you shot or hack or whatever you should be decloaked Tank 514.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 118	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:29:00 - [19] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: The cal scout racial also supports this as well, along with its description, thus shooting while cloaked is what they currently have on the test server. Again, misleading, the Flaylock's description says it has a guidance system to track targets, last I checked, it still uses dumbfire. We currently have know idea of how cloaking will exactly work, we still know about as much as we knew last month when Remnant was interviewed, and even if we went on the "Assumption-Train" everyone seems so tempted to ride all of this is still very much subject to change and to make it worse, we have no clue when we'll even see any of this. I understand that we're all excited for the new things coming out in the near future, but I really think we should all calm down and think about our criticism of things that don't exists yet, not saying we shouldn't criticizes, just saying we should be more reserved and constructive then how we currently are.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1882	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:48:00 - [20] - Quote Confirming: Scouts will be sidearm only. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 797	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:25:00 - [21] - Quote Sounds kinda like the Halo active camouflage system - you can fire while cloaked, but it disrupts the cloak and you become visible to both eyes and scanners, sounds like the Caldari scout just slightly reduces this effect. It is also worth noting that going by the Amarr description, the cloak sounds kinda like a tanks hardener, only works for a short time and has a long cool down.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1441	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:27:00 - [22] - Quote I have never seen so many tears on total speculation and rumor. Amazing. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Oswald Rehnquist 1014	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:32:00 - [23] - Quote Absoliav wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: The cal scout racial also supports this as well, along with its description, thus shooting while cloaked is what they currently have on the test server. Again, misleading, the Flaylock's description says it has a guidance system to track targets, last I checked, it still uses dumbfire. We currently have know idea of how cloaking will exactly work, we still know about as much as we knew last month when Remnant was interviewed, and even if we went on the "Assumption-Train" everyone seems so tempted to ride all of this is still very much subject to change and to make it worse, we have no clue when we'll even see any of this. I understand that we're all excited for the new things coming out in the near future, but I really think we should all calm down and think about our criticism of things that don't exists yet, not saying we shouldn't criticizes, just saying we should be more reserved and constructive then how we currently are. You can ignore the description, but I think its a little harder to ignore the cal scouts test server racial because there is a shooting cost when cloaked and that is inferred from the fact that the cal scouts racial reduces that. "all is subject to change" but at the moment this is how it is sitting in the test server. Below 28 dB
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6328	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:36:00 - [24] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return 1. Them proto scanners will pick them up for sure if they are NOT wearing Gallente Scout Gk.0 with all four complex profile damps. Considering snipers rely heavily on having lots of high-slots, the Gallente scout won't be something redline snipers would even look at. 2. If they are in FW, teamkillers will deal with them. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Oswald Rehnquist 1016	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:40:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return 1. Them proto scanners will pick them up for sure if they are NOT wearing Gallente Scout Gk.0 with all four complex profile damps. Considering snipers rely heavily on having lots of high-slots, the Gallente scout won't be something redline snipers would even look at. 2. If they are in FW, teamkillers will deal with them. You bring up the main point people miss, a scanned scout is a dead scout, cloak or not, especially with the dps and tank increases of the other classes, and since the gal scout has the dampening bonus that means you can only reduce the scouts innate profile to low without breaking the gal scout, thus most of the scouts are going to be easy to scan down and kill. Below 28 dB
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6330	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:49:00 - [26] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return 1. Them proto scanners will pick them up for sure if they are NOT wearing Gallente Scout Gk.0 with all four complex profile damps. Considering snipers rely heavily on having lots of high-slots, the Gallente scout won't be something redline snipers would even look at. 2. If they are in FW, teamkillers will deal with them. You bring up the main point people miss, a scanned scout is a dead scout, cloak or not, especially with the dps and tank increases of the other classes, and since the gal scout has the dampening bonus that means you can only reduce the scouts innate profile to low without breaking the gal scout, thus most of the scouts are going to be easy to scan down and kill. Exactly. Most player will be running advanced and maybe the normal proto scanner which can be avoided by an advanced enough scout, but we all know about the power of that infamous Duvolle Focused Active Scanner with a scan precision of 15 dB. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Keeriam Miray R 0 N 1 N 234	Posted - 2014.01.09 07:54:00 - [27] - Quote Well those just a descriptions, nothing more. By gallente scout description you should by literally almost invisible & all seeing eye without mentioning of use cloaks or scan range, precision modules. So maaaybe: Amarr scout - bonus to reactivation time of cloak Caldari scout - bonus to decloaking time (after switching off, switch to weapon) Gallente scout - bonus to invisibility (less distortion, shimmer while moving, running, taking fire) Minmatar scout - sucks at cloaks lol -í-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦-ï-+ -+-+-¦-¦-é -¦-ï-é-î -é-+-+-î-¦-+ -+-+-¦-+-¦-+-+-¦. -í-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦...
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 630	Posted - 2014.01.09 07:57:00 - [28] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return Unless cloaks cost too much fitting to also fit a Thales an damage mods and dampeners. Just saying, we don't really know.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 906	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:00:00 - [29] - Quote Or your cloaks runs on "ammo" and the bonus is reduction to the cost to activate (fire the cloak) enabling you to use it more times than other suits without having to use a hive or supply... Going by EVE standards, ships are very limited in what they can do while cloaked, so I'd assume DUST will be fairly the same (but still good for sneaking up and then decloak and cut you) /c DUSTBoard - Mercenary sheets DUSTSearch - DUST Forum mirror

Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 249	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:00:00 - [30] - Quote Cloaks could very well be high module slots not equipment. Please fix the mic bubble bug...

Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4554	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:04:00 - [31] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: Or your cloaks runs on "ammo" and the bonus is reduction to the cost to activate (fire the cloak) enabling you to use it more times than other suits without having to use a hive or supply... Going by EVE standards, ships are very limited in what they can do while cloaked, so I'd assume DUST will be fairly the same (but still good for sneaking up and then decloak and cut you) /c That may very well be the case, good thinking. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6330	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:09:00 - [32] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return Unless cloaks cost too much fitting to also fit a Thales an damage mods and dampeners. Just saying, we don't really know. This is another very important point. CCP Remnant pointed out in his interview in the Dev Blog that cloaking equipment will likely have very-high CPU/PG requirements while scouts get a bonus for fitting specifically this item. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 156	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:18:00 - [33] - Quote Keeriam Miray wrote: Well those just a descriptions, nothing more. By gallente scout description you should by literally almost invisible & all seeing eye without mentioning of use cloaks, dampners or scan range, precision modules. So maaaybe: Amarr scout - bonus to reactivation time of cloak Caldari scout - bonus to decloaking time (after switching off, switch to weapon) Gallente scout - bonus to invisibility (less distortion, shimmer while moving, running, taking fire) Minmatar scout - sucks at cloaks lol We already know the actual scout bonuses. Scout - 10% reduction to CPU/PG cloak cost Amarr - 5% reduction to cloak cooldown time Caldari - 5% reduction to firing cloak cost Gallente - 5% increase to scan radius, 5% profile reduction Minmatar - 5% increase to melee and nova knife damage For that Caldari, this means that the implied cloaking time is effected LESS by firing. This would mean that the cloak does not instantly drop upon firing a weapon, but likely suffers a significant decrease in the time it is active. Supposedly, this means that there will be a meter that ticks down upon cloaking, and firing a weapon causes a chunk of that meter to disappear (25% less for a lv5 Cal Scout). Hopefully it will just be enough buy you a few extra seconds after a SG or NK to either get a finishing blow or GTFO. Only the Gallente Scout gets a reduction to scan profile, considering it also has the most lows, that means it will likely be the only scout that can viably avoid scans. This is balanced by the fact that it is slower than the Minmatar and does not get an extra cloaking bonus. The minmatar can stab people, but it can't cloak very well nor will it likely be able to avoid scans very well. Combine that with its anemic CPU/PG (unless that changes), and you have a NK/melee suit that is lacking in everything needed to actually get close undetected. No idea what they were thinking with that.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2251	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:46:00 - [34] - Quote This will never happen if CCP takes the CPM even -slightly- seriously.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1507	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:17:00 - [35] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: Keeriam Miray wrote: Well those just a descriptions, nothing more. By gallente scout description you should by literally almost invisible & all seeing eye without mentioning of use cloaks, dampners or scan range, precision modules. So maaaybe: Amarr scout - bonus to reactivation time of cloak Caldari scout - bonus to decloaking time (after switching off, switch to weapon) Gallente scout - bonus to invisibility (less distortion, shimmer while moving, running, taking fire) Minmatar scout - sucks at cloaks lol We already know the actual scout bonuses. Scout - 10% reduction to CPU/PG cloak cost Amarr - 5% reduction to cloak cooldown time Caldari - 5% reduction to firing cloak cost Gallente - 5% increase to scan radius, 5% profile reduction Minmatar - 5% increase to melee and nova knife damage For the Caldari, this means that the implied cloaking time is effected LESS by firing. This would mean that the cloak does not instantly drop upon firing a weapon, but likely suffers a significant decrease in the time it is active. Supposedly, this means that there will be a meter that ticks down upon cloaking, and firing a weapon causes a chunk of that meter to disappear (25% less for a lv5 Cal Scout). Hopefully it will just be enough buy you a few extra seconds after a SG or NK to either get a finishing blow or GTFO. That also means that you would need to start firing very soon after activating the cloak to really benefit from the bonus, giving you a bit more time to get a shot off without breaking the cloak or an extra shot to ensure at least one kill. Only the Gallente Scout gets a reduction to scan profile, considering it also has the most lows, that means it will likely be the only scout that can viably avoid scans. This is balanced by the fact that it is slower than the Minmatar and does not get an extra cloaking bonus. The minmatar can stab people, but it can't cloak very well nor will it likely be able to avoid scans very well. Combine that with its anemic CPU/PG (unless that changes), and you have a NK/melee suit that is lacking in everything needed to actually get close undetected. No idea what they were thinking with that. EDIT: forgot a something, added While you may have a valid point, Applejack is still best pony. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Nirwanda Vaughns 264	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:23:00 - [36] - Quote am sure ther ewill be measures to prevent cloak abuse for snipers. sniping is broken as it is but with the visibility and precision increase from gallente logi the 200m scan will be pretty awesome for redline hunting Real Gallente structure tank :)
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1324	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:33:00 - [37] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: http://i.imgur.com/eEeKFxI.png read the cal scout description Wow! The new scout suits look remarkably like laser rifles, which is strange... "I'm done!" slams doorGÇª walks back in and sits down "I still enjoy the forums."
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 229	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:36:00 - [38] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: This will never happen if CCP takes the CPM even -slightly- seriously. hope so. Cloak should have distinctive sound when cloaking and uncloaking. Allowing shooting while cloaked will ruin this game. Cloak should be equipment like scanner. if u switch 2 a wpn the cloak dissipates.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 225	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:44:00 - [39] - Quote As I read it is that the cloak workes against eye detection but still scans pick you up. May be wrong tho =ƒÿÅ Also with al this changes I realy hope there will be a full respec One can always hope =ƒÿà War never changes
Oswald Rehnquist 1022	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:46:00 - [40] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: As I read it is that the cloak workes against eye detection but still scans pick you up. May be wrong tho =ƒÿÅ Also with al this changes I realy hope there will be a full respec One can always hope =ƒÿà this is how it works I believe Below 28 dB

Faquira Bleuetta 0uter.Heaven 142	Posted - 2014.01.09 11:17:00 - [41] - Quote the spy invisibility ability in team fortress 2 is ******* op compared to dust cloak when ur 100% invisible no shimmer bs and 1hit knife kill the only thing in tf2 spy less op than the dust cloak each time the spy shoot or stab the invisibility ceases wit sec delay to re use it again.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 157	Posted - 2014.01.09 11:36:00 - [42] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: While you may have a valid point, Applejack is still best pony. QFT Faquira Bleuetta wrote: the spy invisibility ability in team fortress 2 is ******* op compared to dust cloak when ur 100% invisible no shimmer bs and 1hit knife kill the only thing in tf2 spy less op than the dust cloak each time the spy shoot or stab the invisibility ceases wit sec delay to re use it again. You can't really compare the two, considering TF2 has the Pyro, whose primary job it is to spray the surrounding area with a flamethrower that instantly reveals and will likely kill any enemy Spy. That, and because Dust is a FPS, while TF2 is clearly a Hat Simulator.
Faquira Bleuetta 0uter.Heaven 142	Posted - 2014.01.09 11:40:00 - [43] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: While you may have a valid point, Applejack is still best pony. QFT Faquira Bleuetta wrote: the spy invisibility ability in team fortress 2 is ******* op compared to dust cloak when ur 100% invisible no shimmer bs and 1hit knife kill the only thing in tf2 spy less op than the dust cloak each time the spy shoot or stab the invisibility ceases wit sec delay to re use it again. You can't really compare the two, considering TF2 has the Pyro, whose primary job it is to spray the surrounding area with a flamethrower that instantly reveals and will likely kill any enemy Spy. That, and because Dust is a FPS, while TF2 is clearly a Hat Simulator. You cloak. The amount of "shimmer" is increased as you move so standing still you will be nigh invisible, but when moving you will be noticeable to an extent. When cloaked, you obviously have no chevron or health bars, but the enemy reticule will flash red if you run past it. no need for pyro
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 157	Posted - 2014.01.09 11:59:00 - [44] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: While you may have a valid point, Applejack is still best pony. QFT Faquira Bleuetta wrote: the spy invisibility ability in team fortress 2 is ******* op compared to dust cloak when ur 100% invisible no shimmer bs and 1hit knife kill the only thing in tf2 spy less op than the dust cloak each time the spy shoot or stab the invisibility ceases wit sec delay to re use it again. You can't really compare the two, considering TF2 has the Pyro, whose primary job it is to spray the surrounding area with a flamethrower that instantly reveals and will likely kill any enemy Spy. That, and because Dust is a FPS, while TF2 is clearly a Hat Simulator. You cloak. The amount of "shimmer" is increased as you move so standing still you will be nigh invisible, but when moving you will be noticeable to an extent. When cloaked, you obviously have no chevron or health bars, but the enemy reticule will flash red if you run past it. no need for pyro I'm aware of how the cloak is planned to function, I was just pointing out that the differences in game mechanics are a bit too pronounced to compare the TF2 Spy to Dust's Scout. Dust revolves around a system of customized fitting for individual playstyles within archetypes (each dropsuit has many possible roles and objectives). TF2 is based off checks and class counters between predefined roles (ie Pyro counters Spy w/ flamethrower/Demoman counters Engineer by destroying structures), and also the display, creation, and trading of obnoxious headgear and accessories.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 82	Posted - 2014.01.09 12:04:00 - [45] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: the spy invisibility ability in team fortress 2 is ******* op compared to dust cloak when ur 100% invisible no shimmer bs and 1hit knife kill the only thing in tf2 spy less op than the dust cloak each time the spy shoot or stab the invisibility ceases wit sec delay to re use it again. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... you've never played as a spy you've never played tf2 you've never played as a spy in tf2 There is shimmer, there is shimmer for 1.5sec after cloaking, there is a very slight less pronounced shimmer when moving, there is shimmer when you collide with another player, there is shimmer when taking any kind of damage, there is shimmer when getting heals(from friendly medic), there is shimmer when stealing heals(from enemy dispenser). Edit: Oh silly me, there is shimmer when the spy is Jarateed, there is shimmer when set on FIRE Needless to say there is shimmer. When invisible you can't take any action whatsoever apart from changing your disguise and decloaking. You're confusing disguising with cloaking.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6332	Posted - 2014.01.09 17:56:00 - [46] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Nova Knife wrote: This will never happen if CCP takes the CPM even -slightly- seriously. hope so. Cloak should have distinctive sound when cloaking and uncloaking. Allowing shooting while cloaked will ruin this game. Cloak should be equipment like scanner. if u switch 2 a wpn the cloak dissipates. To be honest with you guys, I'm ok with either restricting the shooting to AFTER decloaking or to causing the cloak to deactivate when firing a weapon. This is because of my years experience playing in games like HALO where cloak is plentiful but not OP. In Halo... 1. Your cloak has an active timer meaning you can't cloak forever. 2. Once the active timer runs out, you suffer a cool down timer. 3. Firing the weapon decloaks you momentarily. 4. The cloak emits a series of random dots on the radar given people around you an idea that someone is nearby. Just spray-n-pray in their general direction to try to decloak them (the Promethean Suppressor Rifle is good at this in Halo 4). 5. Bullets trails reveal your position. 6. Promethean Vision in Halo 4 negates the use of the cloak. Although to be honest, I found the cloak to be completely and utterly useless in Halo 4 once they introduced Promethean Vision which basically turns your cloaked body into a bright silhouette for the enemy to see. Also, the random dots emitted on the radar didn't help either since anyone with a suppressor rifle can just spray in your general direction and cause your cloak to shimmer which then let's everyone know EXACT where you are. Pretty lame. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 4	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:02:00 - [47] - Quote Keeriam Miray wrote: Well those just a descriptions, nothing more. By gallente scout description you should by literally almost invisible & all seeing eye without mentioning of use cloaks, dampners or scan range, precision modules. So maaaybe: Amarr scout - bonus to reactivation time of cloak Caldari scout - bonus to decloaking time (after switching off, switch to weapon) Gallente scout - bonus to invisibility (less distortion, shimmer while moving, running, taking fire) Minmatar scout - sucks at cloaks lol Minmitar should get a bonus to reduced cloaking cost/ shimmer while running...just my opinion Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6332	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:13:00 - [48] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Keeriam Miray wrote: Well those just a descriptions, nothing more. By gallente scout description you should by literally almost invisible & all seeing eye without mentioning of use cloaks, dampners or scan range, precision modules. So maaaybe: Amarr scout - bonus to reactivation time of cloak Caldari scout - bonus to decloaking time (after switching off, switch to weapon) Gallente scout - bonus to invisibility (less distortion, shimmer while moving, running, taking fire) Minmatar scout - sucks at cloaks lol Minmitar should get a bonus to reduced cloaking cost/ shimmer while running...just my opinion Actually, it makes sense to let the Gallente Scout have that bonus because the Gal Scout is best made for evasion and intel gathering. But I do agree that the Minmatar does need something for the cloak. Perhaps a fitting bonus at least. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Galthur CrimeWave Syndicate 196	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:17:00 - [49] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return 1. Them proto scanners will pick them up for sure if they are NOT wearing Gallente Scout Gk.0 with all four complex profile damps. Considering snipers rely heavily on having lots of high-slots, the Gallente scout won't be something redline snipers would even look at. 2. If they are in FW, teamkillers will deal with them. In thread about cloaking, has comment about when will knives be improved. I think your talking about the wrong things in this, rather ask for knives to not drain cloak energy and you will be happy. Heavies will not. Seasoned players never left academy because it did not exist, that's why we fight alongside and against noobs.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6334	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:22:00 - [50] - Quote Galthur wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return 1. Them proto scanners will pick them up for sure if they are NOT wearing Gallente Scout Gk.0 with all four complex profile damps. Considering snipers rely heavily on having lots of high-slots, the Gallente scout won't be something redline snipers would even look at. 2. If they are in FW, teamkillers will deal with them. In thread about cloaking, has comment about when will knives be improved. I think your talking about the wrong things in this, rather ask for knives to not drain cloak energy and you will be happy. Heavies will not. You do realize the knife comment in each of my posts is my signature, right? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*

Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 779	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:47:00 - [51] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return This freaks me out and I'm a dedicated sniper. Munch Munch for CPM 1 Campaign Headquarters
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 668	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:58:00 - [52] - Quote mm thale... http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o703/trollsroyce/WP_000134_zpsab644108.jpg http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o703/trollsroyce/WP_000116_zps8588e10e.jpg http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o703/trollsroyce/WP_000125_zpsad321c2c.jpg http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o703/trollsroyce/WP_000122_zpsed09cf9f.jpg
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3481	Posted - 2014.01.09 22:28:00 - [53] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Red line? Why limit your target selection or hamper your team with such tactics? You can aim while cloaked 200 M away in the middle of the map, shoot and scoot to a safe location and your enemies will not be the wiser. I prefer to snipe from the enemy redline. Last place they ever check. If I ever get sniped by you now I know exactly where to look. If I ever snipe you, I'll make sure to do it from either my red line, or perched on top of your head somehow. We used to have a time machine
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 995	Posted - 2014.01.09 22:42:00 - [54] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You think redline tanks are bad? Wait until Caldari scout snipers are cloaking and then OHKing you while you search for something you cannot scan or see. Be afraid. The scout will return here you go. Green is cloaked, "X" is marked target We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 164	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:12:00 - [55] - Quote i belive that the cloak will fail when you fire revealing you. then reactivate once you stop firing after a certain ammount of time. or ccp may just be making the scout fotm to make up for the horrible time scouts have had.


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