DUST Search - New Scout Bonuses from Singularity

Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:

CommanderBolt wrote:

mr musturd wrote:

Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction?

What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked.

Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP.

I hope not otherwise cloaking will be one of the most pointless things to skill into

Why, it's extreamly hard to hit what you can't see. Regardless of showing up on radar or not.

Hey you know those chevrons above your head? Yeah, you aim just below that because guess what, there's a body there.

If you've ever played battlefield this will have the same problem as being able to spot through smoke. You spot someone and fire just below the chevron. It doesn't matter that you can't see them because you know where they are because HEY there's an arrow pointing at them.

Being able to see someone's chevron who is cloaked will make cloaks absolutely worthless unless you're playing noobs.

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Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 301	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:53:00 - [31] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. Yes, radar can. Typically radar uses electromagnetic waves that have longer wavelengths than visible light. These waves are absorbed and reflected fairly easily because of it. However, electromagnetic waves with higher frequencies like X-rays and Gamma rays can pass through walls. But these are also just as likely to pass through our bodies as the wall. Sound travels worse through solid objects than electromagnetic waves. In truth, there is no real world explanation for how the scanner is able to perform as well as it does. especially without cooking the user and target. And thus you now have the FCR (fire control radar) of a modern jet fighter. They do put out enough RF energy to fry you if you get to close and stay in it's range for too long. All those dog fighters up there painting each other with RF energy all the time.
Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4514	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:59:00 - [32] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. I hope not otherwise cloaking will be one of the most pointless things to skill into Why, it's extreamly hard to hit what you can't see. Regardless of showing up on radar or not. Hey you know those chevrons above your head? Yeah, you aim just below that because guess what, there's a body there. If you've ever played battlefield this will have the same problem as being able to spot through smoke. You spot someone and fire just below the chevron. It doesn't matter that you can't see them because you know where they are because HEY there's an arrow pointing at them. Being able to see someone's chevron who is cloaked will make cloaks absolutely worthless unless you're playing noobs. I'd say it's pretty safe to assume cloaking removes the chevron on enemies' HUD. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 220	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:00:00 - [33] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. I hope not otherwise cloaking will be one of the most pointless things to skill into Why, it's extreamly hard to hit what you can't see. Regardless of showing up on radar or not. Hey you know those chevrons above your head? Yeah, you aim just below that because guess what, there's a body there. If you've ever played battlefield this will have the same problem as being able to spot through smoke. You spot someone and fire just below the chevron. It doesn't matter that you can't see them because you know where they are because HEY there's an arrow pointing at them. Being able to see someone's chevron who is cloaked will make cloaks absolutely worthless unless you're playing noobs. Don't forget your crosshairs will probably still turn red
pseudosnipre 481	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:07:00 - [34] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. Yes, radar can. Typically radar uses electromagnetic waves that have longer wavelengths than visible light. These waves are absorbed and reflected fairly easily because of it. However, electromagnetic waves with higher frequencies like X-rays and Gamma rays can pass through walls. But these are also just as likely to pass through our bodies as the wall. Sound travels worse through solid objects than electromagnetic waves. In truth, there is no real world explanation for how the scanner is able to perform as well as it does. especially without cooking the user and target. And thus you now have the FCR (fire control radar) of a modern jet fighter. They do put out enough RF energy to fry you if you get to close and stay in it's range for too long. All those dog fighters up there painting each other with RF energy all the time. Maybe each suit is a grounded faraday cage... Also, fighter pilot backlobe and faulty RF snuff. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1641	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:11:00 - [35] - Quote The only way it would make sense is if the minja suit base Db was decreased so that dampeners were considered to be built in. I am really curious to see slot load out. If everything stays the exact same on the suit, and now they only have knife and laughable cupcake melee it will become a complete joke. even with a cloak. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 442	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:12:00 - [36] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. In the initial blog dealing with equipment CCP said you will apear on the tacnet if someone is able to scan you. It doesn't matter if your cloaked or not
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 559	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:15:00 - [37] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Dear ccp, cloaks are a terrible fking idea. Also making scout just 1 things aka a cloaking camper is giving up. CCP once again you try force players to play a game you want it to be instead of actually listening and trying to improve the ACTUAL game we play.. I respectfully disagree, I have wanted cloaking in the game since CCP first mentioned it would be possible in DUST. Cloaking is a very real very annoying part of EVE lore and it should certainly be just as much a pain in our backsides here in dust. Now I do agree that I hope light suits are not just relegated to cloak work only. I do hope they still have other viable roles. At the moment though this is all speculation.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2625	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:16:00 - [38] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I'd say it's pretty safe to assume cloaking removes the chevron on enemies' HUD. CCP hasn't exactly been great at making balance decisions so far. Just because it would seem it's an obvious decision doesn't mean it will happen. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 559	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:17:00 - [39] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. In the initial blog dealing with equipment CCP said you will apear on the tacnet if someone is able to scan you. It doesn't matter if your cloaked or not But then what would be the point of cloaking? They will still see red chevrons running about the map? I mean if they rework scout base Db so that it naturally bypasses most scanners that would be ok otherwise I just think.... ehh!? Cloaked = totally invisible - you cant detect me. Otherwise its not a cloak in my book.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1872	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:19:00 - [40] - Quote Cloak camp 514. Thanks for completely removing the fast hack role. I had hope that you'd already move it to a shout suit. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1800	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:20:00 - [41] - Quote Can you please add a take off your pants inorder to prevent getting them messy warning in your subject. Selling Templar BPO 300Mil Earn 25Mil+ ISK in Dust
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2584	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:35:00 - [42] - Quote I've been nerfed Do Not Feed The Imperfects. Feeding them may disrupt the natural setting.
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2588	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:39:00 - [43] - Quote Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2627	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:40:00 - [44] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? Logis will probably have a ton of PG/CPU so their -25% will make cloaking pretty easy for them. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4520	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:41:00 - [45] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? Yup, this has been on the top of my mind ever since CCP said they were doing a scout fitting reduction months ago. Somewhere deep in these forums are jokes about invisible logis. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2585	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:44:00 - [46] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? Yup, this has been on the top of my mind ever since CCP said they were doing a scout fitting reduction months ago. Somewhere deep in these forums are jokes about invisible logis. It can't possibly be a piece of equipment, but they said it could be fitted on other suits with extreme sacrifice. I think it is a weapon slot. It wouldn't make sense (given the logistics bonus) to be an equipment piece unless Logi bonus ignored the cloak. I think it will be a non-lethal scrambler rifle, where there is a charge up time and heat. Do Not Feed The Imperfects. Feeding them may disrupt the natural setting.
Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4520	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:46:00 - [47] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? Yup, this has been on the top of my mind ever since CCP said they were doing a scout fitting reduction months ago. Somewhere deep in these forums are jokes about invisible logis. It can't possibly be a piece of equipment, but they said it could be fitted on other suits with extreme sacrifice. I think it is a weapon slot. It wouldn't make sense (given the logistics bonus) to be an equipment piece unless Logi bonus ignored the cloak. I think it will be a non-lethal scrambler rifle, where there is a charge up time and heat. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/ That dev blog says it's an equipment. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
pseudosnipre 481	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:51:00 - [48] - Quote Someday, I'll be able to use the cloak to: -Sneak into mining sites, assassinate miners, sabotage their gear and steal their resources. -Infiltrate enemy hq, eavesdrop on high level meetings, and sell info to top bidder. -survey enemy outpost guard rotations, note weak points in perimeter defense, and sell data to enemies. until then I'll be one of the four people on my team trying to win the match while the other twelve try to knife each other while invisible. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2586	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:55:00 - [49] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/ That dev blog says it's an equipment. Well they nerfed my range (not yet) Luckily gal scout also gets 5% reduction to profile as well so there is no loss except 25% of range. Every other scout is being forced to use a cloak which I find unfair but whatever. The end result is we will have to see what the new item stats are. Obviously with the given item stats most of the new (outside of scout) racial bonuses are OP. However I think they'll nerf the items and buff certain others. I am hoping: Scanner Precision Nerf Scout Profile Buff Scout Range Buff Small Scout HP buff ( it will be impossible to keep up with assaults otherwise ) But I know better, I know it will not turn out like I hope, I will be nerfed out of existence. Do Not Feed The Imperfects. Feeding them may disrupt the natural setting.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation 675	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:57:00 - [50] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: but it really could use it's own thread. From the guy who discovered? but i like the bonuses... *Assassination is my thing.*

Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 189	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:14:00 - [51] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I've been nerfed yeah.... I feel like I am being forced into a certain role.... (willy nilly bullet sprayer) since "my" choice of "roles" are being nerfed little by little. " No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2587	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:36:00 - [52] - Quote Kahn Zo wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I've been nerfed yeah.... I feel like I am being forced into a certain role.... (willy nilly bullet sprayer) since "my" choice of "roles" are being nerfed little by little. Exactly, it's destroying sand box It's like, now all scouts will need to use one piece of equipment. It's like scouts are being designed to NEED the cloak rather than just be able to support it. Scouts are losing profile reduction so every scout other than Gallente will NEED the cloak to keep up. Speculation with 87% Affirmative Do Not Feed The Imperfects. Feeding them may disrupt the natural setting.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1642	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:13:00 - [53] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Someday, I'll be able to use the cloak to: -Sneak into mining sites, assassinate miners, sabotage their gear and steal their resources. -Infiltrate enemy hq, eavesdrop on high level meetings, and sell info to top bidder. -survey enemy outpost guard rotations, note weak points in perimeter defense, and sell data to enemies. until then I'll be one of the four people on my team trying to win the match while the other twelve try to knife each other while invisible. And I'll help out. I need ISK. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 845	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:16:00 - [54] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. Yes, radar can. Typically radar uses electromagnetic waves that have longer wavelengths than visible light. These waves are absorbed and reflected fairly easily because of it. However, electromagnetic waves with higher frequencies like X-rays and Gamma rays can pass through walls. But these are also just as likely to pass through our bodies as the wall. Sound travels worse through solid objects than electromagnetic waves. In truth, there is no real world explanation for how the scanner is able to perform as well as it does. Not Ecco location. It travels around objects the same principle as sonar. Also prolonged exposure to X and gamma rays will kill you. If you are useing a frequency with a long enough wave length to pa through walls it will also quite easily pass through a human. Have you ever looked at an X-ray picture? As well, you would have to have some pretty amazing equipment, necessary to between what part of the wave is being bounced of the wall and what part of the wave has passed through and bounced off another target then passed through the wall again. Given that the target you are looking for is much less dense than the one you are attempting to bypass... Good luck with that. {:)}{3GÇó>
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1086	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:24:00 - [55] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Not Ecco location. It travels around objects the same principle as sonar. Also prolonged exposure to X and gamma rays will kill you. If you are useing a frequency with a long enough wave length to pa through walls it will also quite easily pass through a human. Have you ever looked at an X-ray picture? As well, you would have to have some pretty amazing equipment, necessary to between what part of the wave is being bounced of the wall and what part of the wave has passed through and bounced off another target then passed through the wall again. Given that the target you are looking for is much less dense than the one you are attempting to bypass... Good luck with that. Sonar is Echo Location. You send out a pulse and the time it takes to get back determines the distance to the object. Bouncing around corners screws up that calculation. As for the exposure, we are clones. Our bodies are disposable. The forge gun is supposed to release enough radiation to cause long term problems but it doesn't matter since we can swap out bodies long before it becomes a problem. And I already noted that EM radar waves able to pass through walls will also pass the the body. Anyways, the point is moot. As IWS explained, the scanner is detecting EM waves emitted by our suits (mainly due to our shields). !
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 845	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:29:00 - [56] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Sonar is Echo Location Geez, everybody's gonna try and bust my ball to day, hunh? Sonar, as in the equipment used to achieve the ability to ecco locate under water. The equipment and the act are not the same thing. {:)}{3GÇó>
Oswald Rehnquist 1004	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:31:00 - [57] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/eEeKFxI.png Below 28 dB
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1740	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:35:00 - [58] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Free Beers wrote: Dear ccp, cloaks are a terrible fking idea. Also making scout just 1 things aka a cloaking camper is giving up. CCP once again you try force players to play a game you want it to be instead of actually listening and trying to improve the ACTUAL game we play.. We don't know exactly how the cloak field will work yet, scouts aren't necessarily going to have to become campers. We didn't know how PC was going to work either and you can read my thread 2 months before it came out and I tell whats going to happen. Pretty sure I also called the SP sink in uprising before it happened. Also I just this is ccp and they mess everything up [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1740	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:40:00 - [59] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Free Beers wrote: Dear ccp, cloaks are a terrible fking idea. Also making scout just 1 things aka a cloaking camper is giving up. CCP once again you try force players to play a game you want it to be instead of actually listening and trying to improve the ACTUAL game we play.. Well, who exactly are the listen to? You? Me? Cause if they are listening to me, then they would think that cloacks are a good idea. So, who made you the king of ideas? you should curtsy before your king, try not to let your vag show either [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 846	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:45:00 - [60] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: http://i.imgur.com/eEeKFxI.png "...While integrated friction and impact dampening reduce the overal sound signature. What is up *****es! I knew there was a reason I thought it was sound. I've read that before. {:)}{3GÇó>



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