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Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1842	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:36:00 - [1] - Quote Do the right thing ccp. My speed hack Logi has been completely nullified. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 961	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:40:00 - [2] - Quote So has mine. But you don't need a respec. You can play the game more, and earn more skill points, and unlock new and additional suits. The right thing, is for CCP to man up, and finally refuse to give in to these silly demands. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 332	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:46:00 - [3] - Quote Disagree, all standard level infantry and vehicle racial variants need to exist first. Give that a final respec and move forward from there barring any large rework of skills.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1843	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:51:00 - [4] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So has mine. But you don't need a respec. You can play the game more, and earn more skill points, and unlock new and additional suits. The right thing, is for CCP to man up, and finally refuse to give in to these silly demands. No. Ccp needs to do respecs like they did for vehicles. I didn't drop over 2 mil sp so I can baby sit heavies. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 962	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:52:00 - [5] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Disagree, all standard level infantry and vehicle racial variants need to exist first. Give that a final respec and move forward from there barring any large rework of skills. How many times have the bonuses of EVE ships been completely reworked in the last two years with no respec given? I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1010	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:53:00 - [6] - Quote SP cost for dropsuits are apparently being changed, to make things easier to spec in to. This would definately mean a SP refund. Just like CCP does in EVE online. Doesnt matter in Dust 514: PC. FW Standing. Tanking Type. Other mods than DMG or HP. Does matter in Dust 514: Rifles.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1010	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:54:00 - [7] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Disagree, all standard level infantry and vehicle racial variants need to exist first. Give that a final respec and move forward from there barring any large rework of skills. How many times have the bonuses of EVE ships been completely reworked in the last two years with no respec given? The difference is that you get access to like 10 ships directly from the faction frigate skill. Doesnt matter in Dust 514: PC. FW Standing. Tanking Type. Other mods than DMG or HP. Does matter in Dust 514: Rifles.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1843	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:54:00 - [8] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Disagree, all standard level infantry and vehicle racial variants need to exist first. Give that a final respec and move forward from there barring any large rework of skills. How many times have the bonuses of EVE ships been completely reworked in the last two years with no respec given? And how much sp is grounded in eve? 0. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 962	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:54:00 - [9] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: SP cost for dropsuits are apparently being changed, to make things easier to spec in to. This would definately mean a SP refund. Just like CCP does in EVE online. When that's done in EVE, it's a partial refund. They refund the difference in points that were no longer needed to gain that skill level. The skill is not refunded. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Onesimus Tarsus 757	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:57:00 - [10] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Disagree, all standard level infantry and vehicle racial variants need to exist first. Give that a final respec and move forward from there barring any large rework of skills. How many times have the bonuses of EVE ships been completely reworked in the last two years with no respec given? This ain't EvE. I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.

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XxWarlordxX97 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 4137	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:59:00 - [12] - Quote Give us all full respecs CCP Level 5 forum warrior A Solo heavy Boss I.E. made me OP
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9723	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:00:00 - [13] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So has mine. But you don't need a respec. You can play the game more, and earn more skill points, and unlock new and additional suits. The right thing, is for CCP to man up, and finally refuse to give in to these silly demands. That is a terrible stance. Why force people to keep SP they would have never spent in the first place in light of sweeping changes and racial suits finally being added? How does letting someone enjoy the game their way detract from your enjoyment of the game? Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
pseudosnipre 473	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:01:00 - [14] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So has mine. But you don't need a respec. You can play the game more, and earn more skill points, and unlock new and additional suits. The right thing, is for CCP to man up, and finally refuse to give in to these silly demands. No. Ccp needs to do respecs like they did for vehicles. I didn't drop over 2 mil sp so I can baby sit heavies. Unfortunately...you may have. But at least there will be more heavy frames to babysit! Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Onesimus Tarsus 757	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:06:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So has mine. But you don't need a respec. You can play the game more, and earn more skill points, and unlock new and additional suits. The right thing, is for CCP to man up, and finally refuse to give in to these silly demands. That is a terrible stance. Why force people to keep SP they would have never spent in the first place in light of sweeping changes and racial suits finally being added? How does letting someone enjoy the game their way detract from your enjoyment of the game? I understand completely. The norespecors act as if you're taking their SP away, or that they'll be able to tell new protos from the old protos. Full respecs on demand for free would fun this game up, and no one would know except the people having the fun respeccing. Why anyone would care what you do with your own SP is beyond me. I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 962	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:08:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So has mine. But you don't need a respec. You can play the game more, and earn more skill points, and unlock new and additional suits. The right thing, is for CCP to man up, and finally refuse to give in to these silly demands. That is a terrible stance. Why force people to keep SP they would have never spent in the first place in light of sweeping changes and racial suits finally being added? Things are ALWAYS being added, it's an online game. If CCP doesn't set the line here, they won't set it at the next rebalance, or the one after that. DUST Fiend wrote: How does letting someone enjoy the game their way detract from your enjoyment of the game? Fit of the month play drastically trashes the play experience in this game. Getting to respec your points all the time encourages and rewards that style of behavior. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 237	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:11:00 - [17] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So has mine. But you don't need a respec because I have more sp than everybody. You can play the game more, and earn more skill points, and unlock new and additional suits in 5 months. The right thing, is for CCP to man up, and finally refuse to give in to these silly demands. Fixed loads of retardation I use a tablet so beware of typos
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 962	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:13:00 - [18] - Quote Most of the people crying for respecs already have 30+ mil SP, lol. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6294	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:14:00 - [19] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Disagree, all standard level infantry and vehicle racial variants need to exist first. Give that a final respec and move forward from there barring any large rework of skills. How many times have the bonuses of EVE ships been completely reworked in the last two years with no respec given? This ain't EvE. In terms of Dust being a first-person shooter, you are correct. But this game has a lot of things built into it that screams "THIS IS EVE". Let me elaborate. 1. The title. Look at the introduction video when you turn on the game. What do you see above the word "Dust 514"? EVE. What do you see on the top left corner of this very forum page that you are reading? EVE/DUST 514 2. The Eve-Dust connection. Still needs more work, but it's getting there and the connection has more love recently with the revamp to FW. 3. The culture. Both games are operating under the cultural rules and norms of New Eden. 4. The fitting menu. Of course, some things in Eve don't always work well in Dust while some things in Eve do work well in Dust. But that's more about game mechanics than actual respects. Ok, now let's get back on topic. Overall, I have to agree with Sigberct in that there should be full respecs ONLY under the condition that ALL racial variants of weapons, vehicles, and suits are introduced all at once. Alternatively, CCP can do partial respecs whenever they focus on one aspect of the game at a time such as vehicle respecs for 1.7 and possibly suit respecs for 1.8, etc. This to me is acceptable. Honestly when it comes to respecs, I like it better if CCP were to adopt Eve Online's Neural Remap system. If you don't know what that is, here is a summary of how it works. Neural Remap System https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Neural_remap As you can see, this is pretty fair but it's nothing like the respec system you know since SP is not really moved around but rather attribute points that affect the speed of learning a certain type of skill book. This has worked well so far for Eve Online for at least the past 3 or so years with no problems. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9725	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:14:00 - [20] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So has mine. But you don't need a respec. You can play the game more, and earn more skill points, and unlock new and additional suits. The right thing, is for CCP to man up, and finally refuse to give in to these silly demands. That is a terrible stance. Why force people to keep SP they would have never spent in the first place in light of sweeping changes and racial suits finally being added? Things are ALWAYS being added, it's an online game. If CCP doesn't set the line here, they won't set it at the next rebalance, or the one after that. DUST Fiend wrote: How does letting someone enjoy the game their way detract from your enjoyment of the game? Fit of the month play drastically trashes the play experience in this game. Getting to respec your points all the time encourages and rewards that style of behavior. But we're talking about basic, foundation level stuff. You can't seriously come from EVE and then tell me that Gallente heavies are 'new' material. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1012	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:15:00 - [21] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: SP cost for dropsuits are apparently being changed, to make things easier to spec in to. This would definately mean a SP refund. Just like CCP does in EVE online. When that's done in EVE, it's a partial refund. They refund the difference in points that were no longer needed to gain that skill level. The skill is not refunded. True, true. Doesnt matter in Dust 514: PC. FW Standing. Tanking Type. Other mods than DMG or HP. Does matter in Dust 514: Rifles.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 237	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:16:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Most of the people crying for respecs already have 30+ mil SP, lol. I have 14 mil sp, I need it I use a tablet so beware of typos
The Attorney General 1731	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:17:00 - [23] - Quote It seems likely that they will refund either: A) Dropsuit Command Skill tree B) Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, Weaponry C) Deploy it, then make every one wait for the Scout suits for option B. I would bet on B, but CCP will probably go with C and watch people froth at the mouth. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 963	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:20:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: But we're talking about basic, foundation level stuff. You can't seriously come from EVE and then tell me that Gallente heavies are 'new' material. This isn't basic foundation level stuff. This is if you want to change up your bonus from the one on the suit you already have, you can play some, get more points, and unlock a new suit. The whole point of constantly accruing skillpoints is your ability to expand from a single fit out into additional ones. The ability to unlock that flexibility over time is the only reason you need more than like 10 mil SP. If you're just handing out respecs, veteran players have no reason to actually play, because they can just reset their skills every so often to unlock the new fit of the month suit. There was also no respec, notably, when the rail rifle and combat rifle were released. Every time there's a new suit or new gear there should not be respecs. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 334	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:22:00 - [25] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Disagree, all standard level infantry and vehicle racial variants need to exist first. Give that a final respec and move forward from there barring any large rework of skills. How many times have the bonuses of EVE ships been completely reworked in the last two years with no respec given? 1) Eve doesn't sell boosters to monetize it's SP 2) Eve has attributes that vary skill training time and offers free respecs to that 3) Eve gives far more access to ships per skill than dust's dropsuits per skill 4) Eve has all of it's basic ships in each racial variant in the game right now edit: point out where someone in this thread wants this: Soraya Xel wrote: If you're just handing out respecs, veteran players have no reason to actually play, because they can just reset their skills every so often to unlock the new fit of the month suit. I agree with you on the point that this is wrong but I haven't seen anyone seriously suggest this is a good thing.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9726	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:26:00 - [26] - Quote Thankfully CCP has already showed that they're willing to offer respecs when they drastically change things up, and plenty of us can see that racial suits are about as basic as basic gets, so I'm gonna put my money on some kind of respec coming. The only people that usually whine about respecs are those who think they'll cause their PS3's to explode into fireballs. Some form of respec is coming, you can argue against it till you're blue in the face, but CCP has shown time and time again that they're willing to do what's right for their player base, which makes me feel better knowing that I will be given the opportunity to make an informed decision with my SP in light of basic material finally finding its way into the game. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 333	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:27:00 - [27] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: SP cost for dropsuits are apparently being changed, to make things easier to spec in to. This would definately mean a SP refund. Just like CCP does in EVE online. Or they just refund the difference like they did last time. No full respecs, just DS respecs if anything at all. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2490	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:28:00 - [28] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Disagree, all standard level infantry and vehicle racial variants need to exist first. Give that a final respec and move forward from there barring any large rework of skills. How many times have the bonuses of EVE ships been completely reworked in the last two years with no respec given? They've refunded skills in certain areas after major changes plenty of times. Or at least reworked the skills. But the major difference is that Dust doesn't have all the racial suits released yet. When they are all released they should give a respec. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 965	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:29:00 - [29] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: 1) Eve doesn't sell boosters to monetize it's SP 2) Eve has attributes that vary skill training time and offers free respecs to that 3) Eve gives far more access to ships per skill than dust's dropsuits per skill 4) Eve has all of it's basic ships in each racial variant in the game right now. 1) All the more reason CCP has to encourage people to get more SP rather than reallocating what they have. Somewhere along the way, we do need people to actually pay for this game. 2) They don't have a lot of relevance, and aren't intended to be permanent. They're also probably being removed because they're dumb. 3) Not really, no. Not when you consider all the complimentary skills each ship requires to be useful. 4) Race means nothing. Sometimes EVE adds new ships, sometimes DUST adds new dropships. "Race parity" is a pretty silly argument, in practical terms. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9728	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:30:00 - [30] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: 4) Race means nothing. Sometimes EVE adds new ships, sometimes DUST adds new dropships. "Race parity" is a pretty silly argument, in practical terms. This right here just shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict



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