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Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 961	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:40:00 - [1] - Quote So has mine. But you don't need a respec. You can play the game more, and earn more skill points, and unlock new and additional suits. The right thing, is for CCP to man up, and finally refuse to give in to these silly demands. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 962	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:52:00 - [2] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Disagree, all standard level infantry and vehicle racial variants need to exist first. Give that a final respec and move forward from there barring any large rework of skills. How many times have the bonuses of EVE ships been completely reworked in the last two years with no respec given? I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 962	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:54:00 - [3] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: SP cost for dropsuits are apparently being changed, to make things easier to spec in to. This would definately mean a SP refund. Just like CCP does in EVE online. When that's done in EVE, it's a partial refund. They refund the difference in points that were no longer needed to gain that skill level. The skill is not refunded. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 962	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:08:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So has mine. But you don't need a respec. You can play the game more, and earn more skill points, and unlock new and additional suits. The right thing, is for CCP to man up, and finally refuse to give in to these silly demands. That is a terrible stance. Why force people to keep SP they would have never spent in the first place in light of sweeping changes and racial suits finally being added? Things are ALWAYS being added, it's an online game. If CCP doesn't set the line here, they won't set it at the next rebalance, or the one after that. DUST Fiend wrote: How does letting someone enjoy the game their way detract from your enjoyment of the game? Fit of the month play drastically trashes the play experience in this game. Getting to respec your points all the time encourages and rewards that style of behavior. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 962	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:13:00 - [5] - Quote Most of the people crying for respecs already have 30+ mil SP, lol. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 963	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:20:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: But we're talking about basic, foundation level stuff. You can't seriously come from EVE and then tell me that Gallente heavies are 'new' material. This isn't basic foundation level stuff. This is if you want to change up your bonus from the one on the suit you already have, you can play some, get more points, and unlock a new suit. The whole point of constantly accruing skillpoints is your ability to expand from a single fit out into additional ones. The ability to unlock that flexibility over time is the only reason you need more than like 10 mil SP. If you're just handing out respecs, veteran players have no reason to actually play, because they can just reset their skills every so often to unlock the new fit of the month suit. There was also no respec, notably, when the rail rifle and combat rifle were released. Every time there's a new suit or new gear there should not be respecs. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 965	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:29:00 - [7] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: 1) Eve doesn't sell boosters to monetize it's SP 2) Eve has attributes that vary skill training time and offers free respecs to that 3) Eve gives far more access to ships per skill than dust's dropsuits per skill 4) Eve has all of it's basic ships in each racial variant in the game right now. 1) All the more reason CCP has to encourage people to get more SP rather than reallocating what they have. Somewhere along the way, we do need people to actually pay for this game. 2) They don't have a lot of relevance, and aren't intended to be permanent. They're also probably being removed because they're dumb. 3) Not really, no. Not when you consider all the complimentary skills each ship requires to be useful. 4) Race means nothing. Sometimes EVE adds new ships, sometimes DUST adds new dropships. "Race parity" is a pretty silly argument, in practical terms. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 965	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:31:00 - [8] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: They've refunded skills in certain areas after major changes plenty of times. Or at least reworked the skills. But the major difference is that Dust doesn't have all the racial suits released yet. When they are all released they should give a respec. I've heavily disagreed with most of those respecs. There was one skill rework that warranted a full refund. But now they've set an extremely unhealthy trend of causing players to expect a refund every time their suit changes, which shouldn't be happening. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 965	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:36:00 - [9] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: That's their 'free' to play business model: keep completely changing what you speced into so you have to infinitely buy boosters to spec into the type of class you want. I wanted to play an infiltrator logi and now I have to spend another 2-3 million sp to be able to play that role because they completely changed the purpose of my suit. I have put up with lots of skill tree changes and not demanded a respec, but this has gone too far for me. Do you think this is a one time thing? This is an online game, as new suits are added, balance passes are made, these features will shift and change constantly. Get used to it. And you don't need a respec every time. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 965	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:44:00 - [10] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: This right here is called expectation management, Soraya. Follow along carefully. A player buys aurum and spends aurum on boosters. Those boosters give him SP which is used to purchase skills he finds valuable. CCP comes along and makes those skills less valuable or makes other skills more valuable. So you're advocating a full respec every month? For every nerf, a respec? Because every nerf makes skill points in something less valuable. CCP definitely broke it's expectation management with you. :/ Aero Yassavi wrote: Most people saying "no" to respecs are just scared that more players will be able to specialize into good prototype fits and give them a challenge in pub matches. Nope. A lot of people saying they want respecs are the protostompers, because they want to continue to dominant lower SP players, without having to actually gain any more SP themselves. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 968	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:52:00 - [11] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: That's their 'free' to play business model: keep completely changing what you speced into so you have to infinitely buy boosters to spec into the type of class you want. I wanted to play an infiltrator logi and now I have to spend another 2-3 million sp to be able to play that role because they completely changed the purpose of my suit. I have put up with lots of skill tree changes and not demanded a respec, but this has gone too far for me. Do you think this is a one time thing? This is an online game, as new suits are added, balance passes are made, these features will shift and change constantly. Get used to it. And you don't need a respec every time. Then they need to change the business model to a monthly subscription. Right now the business model is dependent on them constantly changing the skill tree so everyone has to constantly buy boosters to get where they need to be. 1. Monthly subscription games are dying. 2. Online games always do buffs and nerfs, it's not going to stop either. Let me put it this way, I bought AUR solely to buy BPOs. Some of those BPOs have now been removed from my inventory, and I've been given the AUR back for them. Realistically, I bought that AUR for BPOs, which are now gone. If you're entitled to a respec because CCP changed the game, I'm entitled to a check. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 968	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:54:00 - [12] - Quote Core gameplay was basically done in the game when a heavy suit, an assault suit, a logi suit, and a scout suit existed. All the rest of them are just variations, more or less. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 969	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:59:00 - [13] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Core gameplay was basically done in the game when a heavy suit, an assault suit, a logi suit, and a scout suit existed. All the rest of them are just variations, more or less. Sorry, they aren't just variations. The difference between racial logi suits for example is huge. Bonus to fitted equipment pg/cpu on gal logi vrs. bonus to hacking speed on min logi? Completely different game play style for the two suits. Nothing larger than the differences made in any given ship rebalance pass in EVE. Think about general cargo hauler ships that suddenly became ammo-only haulers. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 969	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:03:00 - [14] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: As pointed out already, this game is not eve online. Most importantly, eve online does not monetize it's SP so the comparison is apples to oranges. There is no substantiate difference between this patch and any other buff/nerf cycle, regarding how it affects SP in DUST 514. If you support a full respec for 1.8, you're gunning for a precedent for a respec for any other suit nerf to ever come. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 969	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:07:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Core gameplay was basically done in the game when a heavy suit, an assault suit, a logi suit, and a scout suit existed. All the rest of them are just variations, more or less. So why are you so upset if people get to play the variation they prefer? Why do you think that full racial representation isn't important in the EVE universe? Racial representation doesn't have a large impact on gameplay relevance (given that your race or who you fight for has no bearing on what gear you use), these are simply different variants of the heavy, logi, assault, scout suit types we've already had. It's not about people playing the variation they prefer, it's about people getting to change the variation they play frequently with no cost to doing so. It encourages the rampant spam of whatever the fit of the month is, and doesn't even require that one earn new SP to do it. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 971	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:16:00 - [16] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: It seems pretty obvious that it will happen with all these suit additions and skill changes, but I guess I could be wrong. Unfortunately. While I'm heavily opposed to it, I'm almost certain CCP will do it. Their so scared of losing more players that anyone who cries loud enough will probably get what they want. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

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