DUST Search - Assaults will be the new FOTY

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Skill at operating Amarr Assault dropsuits.

Unlocks access to Amarr Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5.

Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level.
Amarr Assault Bonus: +5% to repair rate of armor repair modules per level.

Skill at operating Caldari Assault dropsuits.

Unlocks access to Caldari Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5.

Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level.
Caldari Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of shield extender modules per level.

Skill at operating Gallente Assault dropsuits.

Unlocks access to Gallente Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5.

Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level.
Gallente Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of armor plate modules per level.

Skill at operating Minmatar Assault dropsuits.

Unlocks access to Minmatar Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5.

Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level.
Minmatar Assault Bonus: +5% to damage bonus of damage modifier modules per level.

Thanks to The Robot Devil for the information.

Looks like Amarr Assaults will be useless, and Minmatar Assault will be the new FOTM.

On the bright side, guess who's going Caldari Assault!! Lol

Original post- https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134232&find=unread

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AP Grasshopper The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 143	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:30:00 - [61] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: wrote: Skill at operating Amarr Assault dropsuits. Unlocks access to Amarr Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5. Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level. Amarr Assault Bonus: +5% to repair rate of armor repair modules per level. Skill at operating Caldari Assault dropsuits. Unlocks access to Caldari Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5. Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level. Caldari Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of shield extender modules per level. Skill at operating Gallente Assault dropsuits. Unlocks access to Gallente Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5. Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level. Gallente Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of armor plate modules per level. Skill at operating Minmatar Assault dropsuits. Unlocks access to Minmatar Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5. Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level. Minmatar Assault Bonus: +5% to damage bonus of damage modifier modules per level. Thanks to The Robot Devil for the information. Looks like Amarr Assaults will be useless, and Minmatar Assault will be the new FOTM. On the bright side, guess who's going Caldari Assault!! Original post- https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134232&find=unread There's your swarm buff boys.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2675	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:32:00 - [62] - Quote I guess I may be jumping ship with the amarr logi....and possibly amarr commando aswell..... :( Proud member of the Commando 6 <3 Commando AK.0
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 601	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:36:00 - [63] - Quote Akdhar Saif wrote: I knew Minmatar Assaults would get fixed some day. A +5% bonus to side-arm weapon clip was damn awful. The Minmatar Assaults were great until CCP nerfed the Flaylocks into being useless. Now they will be OP FOTM again. Sucks though because now I will lose my 100 round toxins. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1779	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:16:00 - [64] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Sweet Sweet Minmatar Assault, how I shall be rewarded for sticking it out. And i was fianlly breaking down and thinking about spending some SP into a logi suit. saved by SiSi I feel so sooooo happy if this makes it, but also slightly sad at my super-clip SMG going away. <3 my Minnie Assault, now if I could just get more heavy weapons for my fatsuit. Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1497	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:04:00 - [65] - Quote Min assault might be UP or OP it depends on how it stacks against the assault suits with that 25% efficacy at level 5. Look at the Gallente which will now have more than 800 armor with 4 enhanced plates, a 10% DPS increase and 2-3 damage mods. I am not even gonna bother being a Logistics with these arounds. I am going to get destroyed.
Cris Sugau Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:16:00 - [66] - Quote Why is Assaults being FTOY a bad thing? Shouldn't Assault be the basic role, with everything else having lower numbers? A logi is supposed to assist assaults. A scout is supposed to run solo until the assaults arrive. A dropship is pointless (if it's not assault) if there aren't assaults to transport. Heavies are not supposed to be the main combat unit. Commandos are specialized for versatility in situations without support. A LAV is a speed boost for small teams. HAV should be fire support on open terrain. The assault goes in and has the health/speed/dps combo most suited for quickly moving around while destroying most targets. The only question is why players have to skill into Assault. Shouldn't that tree get a faction-specific lvl 1 unlock for beginners and have the basic blueprints with racially aligned weapons? (The BPO should be medium and not assault, though, because BPO mlt assault would be kinda wonky in terms of the effect it has on gameplay)
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3742	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:19:00 - [67] - Quote Cris Sugau wrote: Why is Assaults being FTOY a bad thing? Shouldn't Assault be the basic role, with everything else having lower numbers? A logi is supposed to assist assaults. A scout is supposed to run solo until the assaults arrive. A dropship is pointless (if it's not assault) if there aren't assaults to transport. Heavies are not supposed to be the main combat unit. Commandos are specialized for versatility in situations without support. A LAV is a speed boost for small teams. HAV should be fire support on open terrain. The assault goes in and has the health/speed/dps combo most suited for quickly moving around while destroying most targets. The only question is why players have to skill into Assault. Shouldn't that tree get a faction-specific lvl 1 unlock for beginners and have the basic blueprints with racially aligned weapons? (The BPO should be medium and not assault, though, because BPO mlt assault would be kinda wonky in terms of the effect it has on gameplay) Did I say it was a bad thing? I simply presented the information given to me. Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Cris Sugau Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:22:00 - [68] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Did I say it was a bad thing? I simply presented the information given to me. The thread title carried that implication. Maybe I'm too used to absolutely everyone being on perma-QQ mode on this board.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 189	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:23:00 - [69] - Quote I agree with Cris, and I welcome any changes which make Assaults the best Assaults rather than Logis -- which it appears these changes (if implemented) are intended to accomplish.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3744	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:34:00 - [70] - Quote Cris Sugau wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Did I say it was a bad thing? I simply presented the information given to me. The thread title carried that implication. Maybe I'm too used to absolutely everyone being on perma-QQ mode on this board. I can make a thread about tanks too if you want Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D

NOAMIzzzzz FREE AGENTS LP 89	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:28:00 - [71] - Quote Yessss! assaults are going to assault now yuuuuus
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 12	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:31:00 - [72] - Quote Hopefully there'll be a full respec as was supposed to occur. If not I won't be too enthused having to completely swap out of logistics. Will have to be stacking SP for about 2 months. If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
Kingseeker Kobra Expert Intervention Caldari State 14	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:40:00 - [73] - Quote Gallente assault will be FOTY duvo with near balacs ROF and 120% to shields with a HP boost and triple damage mods? Lol ezmode I slay for the Empress.
CRYPT3C W0LF Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 143	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:02:00 - [74] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Hopefully there'll be a full respec as was supposed to occur. If not I won't be too enthused having to completely swap out of logistics. Will have to be stacking SP for about 2 months. respecs ruin the game, you picked Logi because it was the FOTM? Tough luck I nom Nom on You :)
Clyffton Donovan Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 46	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:04:00 - [75] - Quote To all who are saying the damage modifier bonus on the Minmatar Assault bonus is no big deal..... Remember this, the Proto Minmatar Assault suit has 5 high slots. (I dunno if this has been brought up in page 2 or 3, ifso I apologize) This can be taken to new heights. Like with the Thale? With 5 Damage mods they are already pumping out 1050ish for headshots. Imagine with a 25% increase to your mods. Even with the stack penalties. Without the Racial bonus, you get about a 28.25% with 5 Mods. With the new Racial bonus it bumps that up to 35.3125%. That brings that head shot up to 1202 damage. Just saying guys. Combat Medic Zulu Squad Leader Invictus Maneo~ "I Remain Unvanquished"
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 13	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:15:00 - [76] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Hopefully there'll be a full respec as was supposed to occur. If not I won't be too enthused having to completely swap out of logistics. Will have to be stacking SP for about 2 months. respecs ruin the game, you picked Logi because it was the FOTM? Tough luck I picked it because I got tired of being cut down almost every single match by multiple squads that ran the same suit. I actually would probably still use it but there's no armor repair bonus anymore. If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 13	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:18:00 - [77] - Quote People got one for vehicles and I didn't hear that kind of BS for them when they had modules removed. Same thing applies to suits as far as I'm concerned. Same with people that even did Amarr assault for the cool down bonus. They got the shaft also so just like vehicles under that logic we should get suit respects because the base fundamentals of the suits themselves changed. Logistics no longer has armor repair bonuses. I can't really complain all that much though because I tucked some exp into assault variants so if there isn't a respec I won't die, but it's just an annoyance. If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1559	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:20:00 - [78] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Hopefully there'll be a full respec as was supposed to occur. If not I won't be too enthused having to completely swap out of logistics. Will have to be stacking SP for about 2 months. respecs ruin the game, you picked Logi because it was the FOTM? Tough luck What about people who specced into Minmatar Scouts? Tough luck? I want a respec like crazy. Although I'll spend the points better and still be a minmatar scout, with assault on the side Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 586	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:22:00 - [79] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Hopefully there'll be a full respec as was supposed to occur. If not I won't be too enthused having to completely swap out of logistics. Will have to be stacking SP for about 2 months. respecs ruin the game, you picked Logi because it was the FOTM? Tough luck I picked it because I've been using the Logi suit since Open Beta. And yes Logis need a respec, the passive bonuses completely change role of each suit.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1482	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:25:00 - [80] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Nothing wrong with the Minny bonus. +2.5% is nothing really. Gallente looks like it'll have the best bonus to me. That's exactly it, 2.5% IS nothing. You would have to make your suit a glass cannon to get any sort of benefit out of that racial skill. Marston VC, STB Director

LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 13	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:26:00 - [81] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Min assault might be UP or OP it depends on how it stacks against the assault suits with that 25% efficacy at level 5. Look at the Gallente which will now have more than 800 armor with 4 enhanced plates, a 10% DPS increase and 2-3 damage mods. I am not even gonna bother being a Logistics with these arounds. I am going to get destroyed. The difference between a damage modded Assault suit and a Minmatar would be 11.5% damage vs 25% more HP. That would come down to your tactical play style I guess. If you're super accurate, good at long range attacks, and/or are good at getting the jump on people could probably easily destroy people with the Minmitar suit damage bonus. Otherwise Gallente would most likely still be king for the tanking suit. If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 416	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:08:00 - [82] - Quote Damn it now my suits going to be Fotm now A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 60	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:11:00 - [83] - Quote Am I the only one that feels like dropsuit skills in Dust should follow ship skills in EVE? Being that we skill into a specific races basic frame, (equivalent to T1 ships) and from there we have a general skill for role specialized suits (equivalent to T2 ships)? Have a level in the specialized skill would benefit suits of all races, but if you don't have the skills for one races basic suits you couldn't use it.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5446	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:24:00 - [84] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: wrote: Skill at operating Amarr Assault dropsuits. Unlocks access to Amarr Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5. Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level. Amarr Assault Bonus: +5% to repair rate of armor repair modules per level. Skill at operating Caldari Assault dropsuits. Unlocks access to Caldari Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5. Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level. Caldari Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of shield extender modules per level. Skill at operating Gallente Assault dropsuits. Unlocks access to Gallente Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5. Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level. Gallente Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of armor plate modules per level. Skill at operating Minmatar Assault dropsuits. Unlocks access to Minmatar Assault dropsuits. Standard at lvl.1; advanced at lvl.3; prototype at lvl.5. Assault Suit Bonus: +2% to light weapon RoF per level. Minmatar Assault Bonus: +5% to damage bonus of damage modifier modules per level. Thanks to The Robot Devil for the information. Looks like Amarr Assaults will be useless, and Minmatar Assault will be the new FOTM. On the bright side, guess who's going Caldari Assault!! Original post- https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134232&find=unread Again Minmatar content becomes MASS ALPHA STRIKE LEVEL DPS....meaning at any ranges below say 60m I'm ******....forever and ever......as if those dirty rebels needed even more potency...... massive speed advantage, shield regen, damage mod bonus...... To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Auris Lionesse SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 47	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:38:00 - [85] - Quote Hi um can we change the rate of fire bonus on gallente to idk a sidearm clip increase :)
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3757	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:48:00 - [86] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Again Minmatar content becomes MASS ALPHA STRIKE LEVEL DPS....meaning at any ranges below say 60m I'm ******....forever and ever......as if those dirty rebels needed even more potency...... massive speed advantage, shield regen, damage mod bonus...... You're forgetting that they have the least amount of HP... Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3758	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:50:00 - [87] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Hopefully there'll be a full respec as was supposed to occur. If not I won't be too enthused having to completely swap out of logistics. Will have to be stacking SP for about 2 months. respecs ruin the game, you picked Logi because it was the FOTM? Tough luck I picked it because I've been using the Logi suit since Open Beta. And yes Logis need a respec, the passive bonuses completely change role of each suit. ^This Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Auris Lionesse SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 47	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:54:00 - [88] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Am I the only one that feels like dropsuit skills in Dust should follow ship skills in EVE? Being that we skill into a specific races basic frame, (equivalent to T1 ships) and from there we have a general skill for role specialized suits (equivalent to T2 ships)? Have a level in the specialized skill would benefit suits of all races, but if you don't have the skills for one races basic suits you couldn't use it. Yeah but Ccp has abandoned making the game like eve to be more like cod. We need to add capacitors to suits also, knock slots to eight, and add way more suits.
Denn Maell PIanet Express 38	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:36:00 - [89] - Quote I'm glad to be seeing heavies (Finally), but just when It seems like my GalAssault will be able to take advantage of the hybrid weapon CPU/PG decrease with shiny new hybrid sidearmsGÇªits gone? I was really looking forward to that hybrid sidearm but now your propopposing to replace it with more tank-inducing madness? I don't like being confused with someone who follows FotM. Also, Amarr Assault bonus to armor rappers? Isn't that their Logi's schtick? (Panic) Has anyone seen what their doing to the logis? Please don't tell me they're thinking of "rebalancing" away my PG/CPU reduction for my Gal Logistic!
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 325	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:00:00 - [90] - Quote So to sum things up everyone is in agreement right? These changes kill the amarr assault. Increase to RoF SCR already requires you to be able to pull the trigger 11.25 times per second to get max dps (not possible without a turbo controller). Now that will increase to 12.95 times per second, and it will only benefit turbo users. Loss of heat build-up bonus Well for those few turbo controller users that are left, now you will over heat your gun in like 1.2 seconds, so no reason to no use the equally effect CR instead. Rep bonus: I don't even have the words for explaining the complete disconnect from new-eden that is shown here. I guess we are going to add unicorns next just "because", why not, it makes as much sense. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.



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