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Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4384	Posted - 2014.01.07 12:22:00 - [1] - Quote Considering the recent fire I started and subsequently threw fuel on here, I'd like to follow it up with something meaningful. Suit skill bonuses will be changed in 1.8 as mentioned here and in the thread I linked previously: Quote: New Commando skills coming in 1.8 should help make this role a little more enticing, but really, the major problem is that Commandos are a highly specialized role (IGÇÖd argue the Commando is one of the more specialized roles we have) with a high SP cost. What then happens during the battle is they have no other role to fall back on when the in-battle situation changes, leaving them at a major disadvantage and no way to change roles (which is no fun at all). We want to lower SP costs of skills to allow players to get into everything much faster and increase the sink on the high-end, but that wonGÇÖt happen until after 1.8 With this being considered, I can't help but recall how susceptible you [CCP] were to the community's input on vehicle changes and new rifles prior to 1.7's release. The return of the Assault Drop Ship was a particular favorite among the community and rightfully so. However, I'd like to call attention to one primary factor of 1.7's successes being the fact that vehicle skills were refunded on release. That being said, I would like you to consider very heavily on taking a similar treatment with 1.8's (potential, we're not holding you to anything yet) changes and giving a skill refund on suits that have been changed in such drastic ways as to redefine their play-style. While I make no assumptions, I have a strong feeling that the community will echo my request. In either case, thank you for listening. // https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 // https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=13418
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 724	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:02:00 - [2] - Quote +1 I have no plans to change my suits, but with the major (potential) changes to dropsuits I could see why many would. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1343	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:06:00 - [3] - Quote +9000.1
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4390	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:08:00 - [4] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: +9000.1 Haha, nice. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2313	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:10:00 - [5] - Quote I quite like the sound of GÇ£these changesGÇ¥, the only thing IGÇÖm going to complain about is the fact IGÇÖm going to have to re-write my Logistics 101 guide again....... :P Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4396	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:11:00 - [6] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I quite like the sound of GÇ£these changesGÇ¥, the only thing IGÇÖm going to complain about is the fact IGÇÖm going to have to re-write my Logistics 101 guide again....... :P Truth be told it's why I haven't done any more tutorial videos outside of the Mass Driver >_>; Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Agrios Endendros Single Serving Friends 77	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:13:00 - [7] - Quote I picked my Min Logi because I wanted to flank, scan, drop uplinks & hives, and take undefended objectives/CRUs/depots. Specifically a suit to do that and NOT be a medic. I really hope they give this the vehicle respec treatment. Agrios Endendros Heavy Haruko Endendros AV Logi ~ Canti Endendros Pilot ~ Zero Endendros Support Logi
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1260	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:14:00 - [8] - Quote People want respecs Sorry, refund "Our Blueberries are better than yours" *My Terribad Bolas Launcher*
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2313	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:16:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Truth be told it's why I haven't done any more tutorial videos outside of the Mass Driver >_>; Do you have a linky for that? I'm an avid YouTuber and always looking for more channels to sub to. Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 326	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:16:00 - [10] - Quote I'll miss my min logi bonus but I can live with the changes if true. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4399	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:21:00 - [11] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Truth be told it's why I haven't done any more tutorial videos outside of the Mass Driver >_>; Do you have a linky for that? I'm an avid YouTuber and always looking for more channels to sub to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-w5wauclLY Bear in mind my channel is primarily reserved for reporting bugs in the Technical Support/Bugs section of the forums =P Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 90	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:24:00 - [12] - Quote I hope the commando bonus' are not permanent. I don't think that each suit needs a bonus of only one type of weapon, since we use all light weapons Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 724	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:26:00 - [13] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: I'll miss my min logi bonus but I can live with the changes if true. Same here. I love hearing, "What, it's already hacked?!" Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2381	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:29:00 - [14] - Quote I'm 100% against full repecs but refunding the infantry trees when drastic changes are introduced is perfectly valid. I hope they do the same thing they did for 1.7. I will be remaining 100% Minmatar but it's only fair to those that are losing the reason for their choices. I just hope they choose for long term reasons and not FOTM. I wonder if cross racial skills are coming? // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2383	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:31:00 - [15] - Quote T'orq wrote: I hope the commando bonus' are not permanent. I don't think that each suit needs a bonus of only one type of weapon, since we use all light weapons I like the idea of receiving bonuses for sticking to a single faction for all your gear. You can still mix without too much penalty. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 892	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:34:00 - [16] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: I'll miss my min logi bonus but I can live with the changes if true. Same here. I love hearing, "What, it's already hacked?!" attack hacking is fun too while being chased DUSTBoard - Mercenary sheets DUSTSearch - DUST Forum mirror

Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 58	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:08:00 - [17] - Quote TBH CCP hinted at these changes months ago Read it here for yourself at wrap up section
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 91	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:08:00 - [18] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: T'orq wrote: I hope the commando bonus' are not permanent. I don't think that each suit needs a bonus of only one type of weapon, since we use all light weapons I like the idea of receiving bonuses for sticking to a single faction for all your gear. You can still mix without too much penalty. You have a point there. To me looks like I will either do minmatar or gallente. Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4409	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:10:00 - [19] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: TBH CCP hinted at these changes months ago Around 1.5, to be precise. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 58	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:16:00 - [20] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: TBH CCP hinted at these changes months ago Around 1.5, to be precise. Then they have all but telegraphed these changes because they said these types of bonuses were coming eventually also in 1.3. So no one has the right to get worked up then.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4411	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:22:00 - [21] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: TBH CCP hinted at these changes months ago Around 1.5, to be precise. Then they have all but telegraphed these changes because they said these types of bonuses were coming eventually also in 1.3. So no one has the right to get worked up then. S'exactly what I said in the IRC, by the way xD Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1782	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:32:00 - [22] - Quote If these changes go through, there will be literally no escape from scanners if someone uses the Gallente Logistic suit, which is an awful, awful idea. If something was done to scanners beforehand, then the ball is in the air on how it could go. If not, it'll be even more broken. The Minmatar Logistic will be a favorite of the logibros with those bonuses. Other than the Gallente's Logistic suit, I have no further problems with suggested changes. I even welcome them. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara Use the Commando A-I suit and show your worth.
ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 85	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:01:00 - [23] - Quote I will probably drop my Gal Logi suit, I only use scanners on half my Logi suits... I don't even have 500 armor on my Proto Logi suits, I had them before they were cool for the awesome bonus, that now goes to every Logi, time to change to equipment I do us. With Uplinks being something I despise (too much spam), and Caldari just not being my thing (despite my race)... Looks like Minmitar for me, I never leave home without a repair tool. I also noted no change to the really crappy Assault Bonus... Looks like my Gal Assault will still have a crappy bonus...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2489	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:29:00 - [24] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: I'll miss my min logi bonus but I can live with the changes if true. Same here. I love hearing, "What, it's already hacked?!" I'm hoping that it goes to the scout suit ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 502	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:05:00 - [25] - Quote Though I disagree with the bonuses I do agree that there should be some full SP refund. Almost, full character - vehicles. I went Amarr logi to wield both a light weapon, a side arm, and have equipment. This allowed for AV support, unique weapon combos, ect. But, choosing again I would let go of those side arms I skilled into and even some of the light weapons. It is a re-commitment to another path that pushes us into a new future. The Logi Code. Guide to LogiBro Success
NoxMort3m D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 192	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:21:00 - [26] - Quote All skills would be nice, benifit everything and everyone equally like in uprising release Director: Diplomat
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 502	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:14:00 - [27] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: I will probably drop my Gal Logi suit, I only use scanners on half my Logi suits... I don't even have 500 armor on my Proto Logi suits, I had them before they were cool for the awesome bonus, that now goes to every Logi, time to change to equipment I do us. With Uplinks being something I despise (too much spam), and Caldari just not being my thing (despite my race)... Looks like Minmitar for me, I never leave home without a repair tool. I also noted no change to the really crappy Assault Bonus... Looks like my Gal Assault will still have a crappy bonus... Same. The MIN bonus wins out. I hate uplinking as a logi - that is something that the assaults or scouts can carry if they have a logibro supporting the squad. The Logi Code. Guide to LogiBro Success
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 762	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:17:00 - [28] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: my 2 cents: Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to damage bonus of damage modifier modules per level. Amarr Assault Bonus: +5% to reduction of heat buildup of laser weapons per level. Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to damage bonus of damage modifier modules per level. Caldari Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of shield extender modules per level. Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to damage bonus of damage modifier modules per level. Gallente Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of armor plate modules per level. Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to damage bonus of damage modifier modules per level. Minmatar Assault Bonus: +5% to hacking speed per level. OR +5% range of explosive weapons per level *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4466	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:35:00 - [29] - Quote Not a real update but I'd like to thank everyone's support for this and just as well show you guys what I woke up to this morning: http://i.imgur.com/qanjsBu.jpg Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Yeeeuuuupppp Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:26:00 - [30] - Quote +1 Carving Hearts in People's Backs, One Day At A Time ~ Nova Knives
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4496	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:59:00 - [31] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: +1 +1 to you as well sir Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 22	Posted - 2014.01.08 05:18:00 - [32] - Quote I guess here's another concern of mine that there's no answers to necessarily at this time which has a very large importance. According to these new findings, for gallente and caldari assault suits, there's supposed to be a 5% per level add on to all respective armor and shielding dropsuit modules. Does this compound now with already existing skills? We will end up with a cumulative total of armor or will existing skills become removed and obsolete? Because under this principle we'd have the following: Gallente suits Gallente Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of armor plate modules per level. +5% per level to maximum armor, +2% armor module efficacy per level Caldari Suits Caldari Assault Bonus: +5% to bonus of shield extender modules per level. +5% per level to maximum shields, +2% shield extender efficacy per level Or now will the overall maximum increase skills be removed and replaced by these suit bonuses? If those skills disappear, are we going to get that SP back or is it just going to disappear entirely as some people have had happen to them prior? All things I keep thinking about... Anybody have any ideas? If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4500	Posted - 2014.01.08 06:53:00 - [33] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: I guess here's another concern of mine that there's no answers to necessarily at this time which has a very large importance. According to these new findings, for gallente and caldari assault suits, there's supposed to be a 5% per level add on to all respective armor and shielding dropsuit modules. Does this compound now with already existing skills? We will end up with a cumulative total of armor or will existing skills become removed and obsolete? Because under this principle we'd have the following: Gallente suits Gallente Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of armor plate modules per level. +5% per level to maximum armor, +2% armor module efficacy per level Caldari Suits Caldari Assault Bonus: +5% to bonus of shield extender modules per level. +5% per level to maximum shields, +2% shield extender efficacy per level Or now will the overall maximum increase skills be removed and replaced by these suit bonuses? If those skills disappear, are we going to get that SP back or is it just going to disappear entirely as some people have had happen to them prior? All things I keep thinking about... Anybody have any ideas? Please bring your questions and concerns to the main (20 page) thread, I'd like to keep this one as a basis for requesting CCP's consideration toward an SP Refund regardless of the extent of the changes. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 434	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:10:00 - [34] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: T'orq wrote: I hope the commando bonus' are not permanent. I don't think that each suit needs a bonus of only one type of weapon, since we use all light weapons I like the idea of receiving bonuses for sticking to a single faction for all your gear. You can still mix without too much penalty. Yep, this is what I wanted all along. I'm waiting for the day when I can rid myself of all Amarr/Caldari gear and go full Gallente/Minmatar. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 303	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:51:00 - [35] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread Post here if you have anything to add about respecs for AUR.
Anoko Destrolock Crimson Saints 22	Posted - 2014.01.10 03:13:00 - [36] - Quote Dropsuits, Dropsuit upgrades AND weaponry should all be refunded. Dropsuits are changing The modules / module bonuses are changing The suits give specific weapon bonuses, likely causing your current suit and weapon choices to not coincide with each other. Also, game balance has changed a LOT since the optional respec in June (I think thats when it was)
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2815	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:05:00 - [37] - Quote T'orq wrote: I hope the commando bonus' are not permanent. I don't think that each suit needs a bonus of only one type of weapon, since we use all light weapons I'm fine with it, I mainly use RR so the Caldari commando will be awesome, and my other commandos have snipers so the Caldari one will be a dream :D Commando 6 // ARC Commander // D-Uni instructor
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 118	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:24:00 - [38] - Quote Yeah I am starting to get used to the idea. But now I am not sure if I want minmatar or gallente Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2817	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:44:00 - [39] - Quote T'orq wrote: Yeah I am starting to get used to the idea. But now I am not sure if I want minmatar or gallente Why choose when you can do both? :p Commando 6 // ARC Commander // D-Uni instructor
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 120	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:39:00 - [40] - Quote LOL, yeah that is true but which one first I only have round about 8 mil sp total on Thanjac. Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2822	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:45:00 - [41] - Quote T'orq wrote: LOL, yeah that is true but which one first I only have round about 8 mil sp total on Thanjac. Well if he's got passive sp, it wouldn't be to long before you got both :p Commando 6 // ARC Commander // D-Uni instructor
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 120	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:53:00 - [42] - Quote He does, I have two PSN accounts so two different characters with passive, =P Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 269	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:15:00 - [43] - Quote +1 to this I just want my minmatar heavy so i can dance circles around amarr heavies while blasting them with the hmg
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 168	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:17:00 - [44] - Quote "no way to change roles" Change suit at supply depot. Less QQ, more pewpew. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4694	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:18:00 - [45] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: "no way to change roles" Change suit at supply depot. Less QQ, more pewpew. Assuming of course you cross specialize, yeah - but until you reach that point you're constricted to that. A lot of other roles can adapt just by changing fits. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5751	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:23:00 - [46] - Quote CCP wrote: We want to lower SP costs of skills to allow players to get into everything much faster and increase the sink on the high-end, but that wonGÇÖt happen until after 1.8 With that in mind, I have a suggestion for how to rework the Dropsuit Command skill tree that would do just this, and also would not require another respec (to be clear, I agree we should get a respec with 1.8. What I mean but not requiring another respec is that this proposal would have to come after 1.8 and we should try to avoid any potential cause for a respec moving forward). ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
The-Errorist 477	Posted - 2014.01.23 14:41:00 - [47] - Quote Justice would be nice
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 1	Posted - 2014.01.26 15:45:00 - [48] - Quote I would appreciate a suit respec, this along with new suits would be very good for people to try the new suits, or even a respec after one ninth of the 1.8 release
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4753	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:38:00 - [49] - Quote Emo Skellington wrote: I would appreciate a suit respec, this along with new suits would be very good for people to try the new suits, or even a respec after one ninth of the 1.8 release Well, there is a strong support for militia and standard variants of everything; so hopefully CCP can bump that up on the priority list and make some militia Scrambler Rifles that we can try with our new heavy frames =D Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
alten hilt DUST University Ivy League 55	Posted - 2014.01.30 20:39:00 - [50] - Quote I would prefer a full respec. Second to that I would prefer that CCP finish putting in all the racial weapons/dropsuits/vehicles, then give everybody a full respec. Finally, I'll take any respec you will give me, however, the problem with respecing only suit skills is that people made weapon choices and skill choices based upon those bonuses. Everything changes when you change those bonuses. This won't hurt high SP veterans much, but lower SP players may really feel the pinch when SP is rare and they have a chosen race that doesn't support the skills the originally invested in
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 786	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:52:00 - [51] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Considering the recent fire I started and subsequently threw fuel on here, I'd like to follow it up with something meaningful. Suit skill bonuses will be changed in 1.8 as mentioned here and in the thread I linked previously: Quote: New Commando skills coming in 1.8 should help make this role a little more enticing, but really, the major problem is that Commandos are a highly specialized role (IGÇÖd argue the Commando is one of the more specialized roles we have) with a high SP cost. What then happens during the battle is they have no other role to fall back on when the in-battle situation changes, leaving them at a major disadvantage and no way to change roles (which is no fun at all). We want to lower SP costs of skills to allow players to get into everything much faster and increase the sink on the high-end, but that wonGÇÖt happen until after 1.8 With this being considered, I can't help but recall how susceptible you [CCP] were to the community's input on vehicle changes and new rifles prior to 1.7's release. The return of the Assault Drop Ship was a particular favorite among the community and rightfully so. However, I'd like to call attention to one primary factor of 1.7's successes being the fact that vehicle skills were refunded on release. That being said, I would like you to consider very heavily on taking a similar treatment with 1.8's (potential, we're not holding you to anything yet) changes and giving a skill refund on suits that have been changed in such drastic ways as to redefine their play-style. While I make no assumptions, I have a strong feeling that the community will echo my request. In either case, thank you for listening. Edit: Regardless of final changes made to the suits/skills, this request still applies. Large, drastic changes such as these affect the player-base directly and it would do CCP great justice with the community to refund associated SP. I also expect there to be a balance pass on the rifles, and other weapons, maybe we do just need a complete respec. LogiGod earns his pips
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 786	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:54:00 - [52] - Quote alten hilt wrote: I would prefer a full respec. Second to that I would prefer that CCP finish putting in all the racial weapons/dropsuits/vehicles, then give everybody a full respec. Finally, I'll take any respec you will give me, however, the problem with respecing only suit skills is that people made weapon choices and skill choices based upon those bonuses. Everything changes when you change those bonuses. This won't hurt high SP veterans much, but lower SP players may really feel the pinch when SP is rare and they have a chosen race that doesn't support the skills the originally invested in It hurts everyone equally, and takes you just as long as it takes a high sp vet to proto out a weapon, but you are right about why we pick weapons the way we do. Its respec time, not partial respec time. LogiGod earns his pips
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1736	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:18:00 - [53] - Quote Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I play so I deserve to get whatever I want no matter what. CCP, please give me a respec because I deserve it and you owe it to me. Full respec because it makes me feel good and everyone is for feel good. I am so tired of this crap. You guys are lame and you embarrass me in front of EVE players. Can't even talk about DUST with pilots because I am ashamed to say that you all are begging and pleading for a RESPEC. What a joke. You like getters are not going to be happy after your "I deserve respec" fiasco is over. Lame. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5117	Posted - 2014.02.28 19:58:00 - [54] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I play so I deserve to get whatever I want no matter what. CCP, please give me a respec because I deserve it and you owe it to me. Full respec because it makes me feel good and everyone is for feel good. I am so tired of this crap. You guys are lame and you embarrass me in front of EVE players. Can't even talk about DUST with pilots because I am ashamed to say that you all are begging and pleading for a RESPEC. What a joke. You like getters are not going to be happy after your "I deserve respec" fiasco is over. Lame. EVE =/= Dust 514. Dust 514 is set in the Eve universe, yes, but the two are completely different games. When the game has as many imbalances as it does and there are drastic overarching changes occurring to the game (complete rework of skill bonuses for dropsuits) than a respec is entirely necessary because the player(s) invested SP into a suit that is no longer available. Point in case, if a player dropped SP into a Minmatar Logistics for it's ability to hack faster and receive a passive armor regen, obviously the Minmatar Logi isn't going to have either of those come 1.8 It's entirely necessary, wanted and very well received among the majority of the Dust 514 community with only a small portion of the player-base being adverse to it. Dust 514 is very similar to Eve Online, but not the same game and doesn't need to fall under the same rules. Neither of those reasons (community minority saying otherwise or the "same game" argument) are valid enough to NOT warrant a respec when massive changes are occurring in game. Why should a player be stuck with an investment that they had no control over the changes over? Ask yourself that question. Because Eve Online doesn't do respecs? Not a good reason. Because they deserve to be stuck with the FotM? This is vindictive and not in the community's interests. Because you're ashamed to talk about something you disagree with, in a completely different game with players who already look down on Dust 514? Find better friends. EDIT: Here's a quote from YOUR THREAD - My idea for PC: The Robot Devil wrote: I would like to see districts work more like the sovereignty mechanic in EVE. I realize that this isn't EVE. Do you see the logic here? Cherry picking the stuff you want/don't want from the same topic doesn't serve for a good argument. You admit that this isn't Eve, so why should we -not- have Respecs solely for the posterity of Eve's theme? Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4665	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:09:00 - [55] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I play so I deserve to get whatever I want no matter what. CCP, please give me a respec because I deserve it and you owe it to me. Full respec because it makes me feel good and everyone is for feel good. I am so tired of this crap. You guys are lame and you embarrass me in front of EVE players. Can't even talk about DUST with pilots because I am ashamed to say that you all are begging and pleading for a RESPEC. What a joke. You like getters are not going to be happy after your "I deserve respec" fiasco is over. Lame. EVE =/= Dust 514. Dust 514 is set in the Eve universe, yes, but the two are completely different games. When the game has as many imbalances as it does and there are drastic overarching changes occurring to the game (complete rework of skill bonuses for dropsuits) than a respec is entirely necessary because the player(s) invested SP into a suit that is no longer available. Point in case, if a player dropped SP into a Minmatar Logistics for it's ability to hack faster and receive a passive armor regen, obviously the Minmatar Logi isn't going to have either of those come 1.8 It's entirely necessary, wanted and very well received among the majority of the Dust 514 community with only a small portion of the player-base being adverse to it. Dust 514 is very similar to Eve Online, but not the same game and doesn't need to fall under the same rules. Neither of those reasons (community minority saying otherwise or the "same game" argument) are valid enough to NOT warrant a respec when massive changes are occurring in game. Why should a player be stuck with an investment that they had no control over the changes over? Ask yourself that question. Because Eve Online doesn't do respecs? Not a good reason. Because they deserve to be stuck with the FotM? This is vindictive and not in the community's interests. Because you're ashamed to talk about something you disagree with, in a completely different game with players who already look down on Dust 514? Find better friends. EDIT: Here's a quote from YOUR THREAD - My idea for PC: The Robot Devil wrote: I would like to see districts work more like the sovereignty mechanic in EVE. I realize that this isn't EVE. Do you see the logic here? Cherry picking the stuff you want/don't want from the same topic doesn't serve for a good argument. You admit that this isn't Eve, so why should we -not- have Respecs solely for the posterity of Eve's theme? Well, that wrapped that up quite nicely. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

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