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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:24:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nope why not? its not like your invulnerable to people without av, typical tank scrub defending his best advantage against infantry. get rid of this **** ccp, how many advantages do people want ffs Dude comparatively here you are the scrub.....your talking to a guy who probably been playing since Closed Beta, has 25+ Million SP, from a good well known corp and you are calling him the scrub? I tanked when AV was way OP and tanks were just garbage ISK sinks. HTFU.
been playing since mordus private trials mate, keep on defending your crutch
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
973
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:25:00 -
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No. Move along.
Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn!
BURN DUST 2014
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Uravm0d groundforce
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
25
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:48:00 -
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m621 zma wrote:
Isn't it time we removed 3rd person view from vehicles? In an FPS game? I think so.
As a tanker pre 1.7 I would say no to this motion generally i do use the 1st person perspective to shoot unless targeting installations but if i had to drive and spot in 1st person that would be a huge very unconstructive nurf that would make tanks not very fun at all.
I would say on the other hand blasters need a slight nerf in the ammo capacity and here's why, shooting at infantry can cost a lot of ammo sometimes, especially if there's lag, however I rarely find the need to seek a supply depo even if I have 25 kills including a couple of tanks and turrets. Less ammo would deffenatly make me think twice about hunting down those that are not a direct threat to me.
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BattleCry1791
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
294
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:03:00 -
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m621 zma wrote:In an FPS game? I think so.
What is wrong with you?
also
Shut your filthy mouth
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
2026
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:06:00 -
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Camera Drones...
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
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el OPERATOR
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:08:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:While we're on the subject I would love a TPV for my dropsuit.
Agreed. +1
Open-Beta Vet.
NPC Corp Independent Contractor.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
93
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:11:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Camera Drones...
such an advantage is worth giving up a slot yes? even though it should just burn in hell because its to powerful |
Terram Nenokal
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
293
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:13:00 -
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Have you ever tried to drive an LAV in first person? 
Loving to hate and hating to love Dust 514 since May 2012
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:20:00 -
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Why not just tanks?
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire.
You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
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Aizen Intiki
Hell's Gate Inc
League of Infamy
631
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Posted - 2014.01.03 04:41:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Why not just tanks?
Camera Drones......
"Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say
Alt of the great Godin
I like chocolate ^___^
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Aizen Intiki
Hell's Gate Inc
League of Infamy
631
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Posted - 2014.01.03 04:42:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Camera Drones... such an advantage is worth giving up a slot yes? even though it should just burn in hell because its to powerful
1: Become more sneaky
2: Camera Drones come stock on most military craft in New eden.
"Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say
Alt of the great Godin
I like chocolate ^___^
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Seigfried Warheit
126
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Posted - 2014.01.03 09:01:00 -
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No one ever tried pressing R3 in a vehicle?.... |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
2020
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Posted - 2014.01.03 09:24:00 -
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I drive in third person, shoot in first person. Occasionally, I drive in first person for greater accuracy as I shoot at someone I'm chasing down. I also almost exclusively drive in first person during TvT. First person is great until you need to drive through a city area with a Madrugar and can't tell what the hell your big, slow turning, rectangular hitbox is stuck on. It's kind of needed just to navigate. Other than navigation, it could be removed and I wouldn't notice a huge difference. Tanks with active scanners would notice even less of a difference. Anyone I'm shooting at, I'm shooting at zoomed in. It helps me locate enemies behind rocks/beyond hills but the majority of enemies are killed because they are scanned or in front of me. It does prevent RE Scouts from popping me, though.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
1394
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Posted - 2014.01.03 09:27:00 -
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+1
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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TODDSTER024
Revive Repair Resupply
152
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Posted - 2014.01.03 09:48:00 -
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Then switch to first person when you get in.... |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2102
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Posted - 2014.01.03 12:08:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nope why not? its not like your invulnerable to people without av, typical tank scrub defending his best advantage against infantry. get rid of this **** ccp, how many advantages do people want ffs
Its not going to happen
I have camera drones out, just like the drones i have around my EVE ship
No infantry has ever complained about the camera for any vehicle until now, and why are you complaining? oh yes its because AV got nerfed and you keep shooting tanks while they are glowing like a dumbass
Intelligence is OP
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2321
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Posted - 2014.01.03 12:29:00 -
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For HAVs first person could work. I haven't tried it in LAVs. It will NOT work for Dropships. Those things are difficult enough to fly in third person view. First person is sort of useful in limited situations. You'd need Oculus Rift and a full suite of attitude displays to go first person full time and completely reworking how the nose turret works for Assault Dropships.
Third person vehicle views is the cheap way to provide the feedback we normally get by being able to turn our heads and feel motion.
// Spear Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2626
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:53:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:For HAVs first person could work. I haven't tried it in LAVs. It will NOT work for Dropships. Those things are difficult enough to fly in third person view. First person is sort of useful in limited situations. You'd need Oculus Rift and a full suite of attitude displays to go first person full time and completely reworking how the nose turret works for Assault Dropships.
Third person vehicle views is the cheap way to provide the feedback we normally get by being able to turn our heads and feel motion.
You could do it without the Oculus Rift if you made use of other inputs.
The critical requirement is to free up the right stick for the look camera. That means moving YAW to a set of USB rudder pedals or a gyro control on the DS3. Then you dramatically widen the FoV to at least 180 degrees like a helicopter canopy.
Now the ADS gun can follow the view camera, both vertically and horizontally.
Bonus points for R3 reversing the view.
Finally add flight instruments on the HUD. The total experience would be more immersive and more effective. No more watching the ass end of your ship as it obscures your flight path or your target. I swear, flying is just like those nightmares where I'm driving from the back seat of the car. |
Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
94
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:56:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nope why not? its not like your invulnerable to people without av, typical tank scrub defending his best advantage against infantry. get rid of this **** ccp, how many advantages do people want ffs Its not going to happen I have camera drones out, just like the drones i have around my EVE ship No infantry has ever complained about the camera for any vehicle until now, and why are you complaining? oh yes its because AV got nerfed and you keep shooting tanks while they are glowing like a dumbass
the only av i have is remotes, proxies and std av nades, give me one good reason other than lol lore why someone who isnt even speced to take on tanks should not be able to avoid you?
a can deal with hard to kill tanks because it makes sense, but impossible to avoid tanks because they can see everything going on around them is not balance
its a sad day when people cant even comprimise, i look forward to to tank tears once again when a single av guy can wipe you out because the only thing ccp can seem to do is juggle damage numbers and not change the actual problem which is super powerfull tanks that are also a piece of **** to drive |
Horizen Kenpachi
TACTICAL STRIKE ELITE
77
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:03:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:Only if they allow ADS front turret to become moveable while in 1st person view xD
That would be sweet for my ps move blasters would be viable
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2321
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:09:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:For HAVs first person could work. I haven't tried it in LAVs. It will NOT work for Dropships. Those things are difficult enough to fly in third person view. First person is sort of useful in limited situations. You'd need Oculus Rift and a full suite of attitude displays to go first person full time and completely reworking how the nose turret works for Assault Dropships.
Third person vehicle views is the cheap way to provide the feedback we normally get by being able to turn our heads and feel motion. You could do it without the Oculus Rift if you made use of other inputs. The critical requirement is to free up the right stick for the look camera. That means moving YAW to a set of USB rudder pedals or a gyro control on the DS3. Then you dramatically widen the FoV to at least 180 degrees like a helicopter canopy. Now the ADS gun can follow the view camera, both vertically and horizontally. Bonus points for R3 reversing the view. Finally add flight instruments on the HUD. The total experience would be more immersive and more effective. No more watching the ass end of your ship as it obscures your flight path or your target. I swear, flying is just like those nightmares where I'm driving from the back seat of the car.
They'll have to come up with a control scheme that only relies on a standard DS3 but I'm up for them trying anything to improve the flying experience.
One big issue that'll need to be addressed is we use the entire ship to change direction and my view needs to be somewhat independent of the ships attitude. I may be looking at the horizon towards where I want to be flying but the ship ends up pointing almost directly at the ground. As I lose altitude and pick up speed I level off but then I point the ship towards the sky to slow down. How does the game change my view? Does the cockpit drop off the screen as I'm accelerating? Do I end up looking at my crotch when decelerating?
Dropships make such crazy maneuvers. 3PV smooths that out considerably.
// Spear Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Lucifalic
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:31:00 -
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I'm fine with them having tpv as long as I only show up when they ads. I'm a scout. Their sensors do not beat by my dampening. I don't show. Spent a lot of sp only to be seen because they get third person view when I sneak up on them and try to lay re's.
So keep the view because it is hard to drive fp. But don't show properly dampened suits unless you ads. This should be the best and easiest fix for both sides of this debate. |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
623
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:37:00 -
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Terram Nenokal wrote:Have you ever tried to drive an LAV in first person?
Yeah , it's quite fun!
The Last Of The BHD
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
752
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:59:00 -
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Yes.
Munch
Dedicated Sniper.
Minmatar Patriot (6).
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
98
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:11:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:only for tanks. all the other vehicles need it. Or somehow make it so 3rd person view won't show the back of the tank, so someone can sneak on it.
technically our 1st person view for tanks is when we scope in with out turrets. so if you only give us this view................ your going to complain that our turrets are too accurate. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
956
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:39:00 -
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I'm going to say no, but I like the Idea but there are a few things that need to happen first.
lock on warning, for one. the warning that you are about to be impacted by missiles is 90% visual.
FOV changes, the first person view in tanks is very much like ADS to infantry and that isn't optimal.
something to alert the driver to forges because first person decreases the situation awareness significantly.
keep 3rd person, like others before me have stated most FPSs have an option for third person in vehicles.
make first person good enough that 3rd isn't needed, I never use it in battlefield but I want the option.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
CLOSED BETA VET
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
95
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:42:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:only for tanks. all the other vehicles need it. Or somehow make it so 3rd person view won't show the back of the tank, so someone can sneak on it. technically our 1st person view for tanks is when we scope in with out turrets. so if you only give us this view................ your going to complain that our turrets are too accurate.
the view that is right down ontop of the main gun is good enough for moving about and shooting not zoomed in, while at the same time giving infantry the chance to avoid the tanks.
its not like we are asking to have your mods or guns nerfed is it now, not giving really powerful vehicles things like a view so far back you might aswell be god is not good for balance.
but lets face facts here, people dont want it removed because they know there are targets in the game that by design cant do **** all about havs, might aswell make it even easier to kill said targets by having a dumbass gamebreaking point of view |
Akdhar Saif
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
132
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Posted - 2014.01.03 17:18:00 -
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It makes more sense for an 1st Person view but because its more difficult it'll never be implemented. Maybe if they started with a 1PV, but now that 3PV is in there's no way CCP could fix this without pissing alot of people off. |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
569
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Posted - 2014.01.03 17:38:00 -
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Unless you can guarantee I will have a very nice cockpit that I can look around inside, no. Besides look at bf4 they have third person for vehicles. This post is silly. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2104
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Posted - 2014.01.03 17:40:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nope why not? its not like your invulnerable to people without av, typical tank scrub defending his best advantage against infantry. get rid of this **** ccp, how many advantages do people want ffs Its not going to happen I have camera drones out, just like the drones i have around my EVE ship No infantry has ever complained about the camera for any vehicle until now, and why are you complaining? oh yes its because AV got nerfed and you keep shooting tanks while they are glowing like a dumbass the only av i have is remotes, proxies and std av nades, give me one good reason other than lol lore why someone who isnt even speced to take on tanks should not be able to avoid you? a can deal with hard to kill tanks because it makes sense, but impossible to avoid tanks because they can see everything going on around them is not balance its a sad day when people cant even comprimise, i look forward to to tank tears once again when a single av guy can wipe you out because the only thing ccp can seem to do is juggle damage numbers and not change the actual problem which is super powerfull tanks that are also a piece of **** to drive
I have to rotate the camera to see everything going on around me, i only ever look forward unless i turn my turret to look backwards
3rd person camera is not a problem and it never has been
Intelligence is OP
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