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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5213
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Posted - 2013.12.31 17:16:00 -
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You can get on a maddy 560HP/s.
Assuming someone firing EVERY SINGLE SECOND NONSTOP, he would have to reload, and ALL the damage he did would go to waste.
So basically, this maddy can eat up all the swarms in the world.
It's hard to argue that this isn't OP honestly.
Even Jason Pearson on IRC agrees.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Sky Kage
Immortal Guides
615
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Posted - 2013.12.31 17:20:00 -
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putting a stacking penalty on reps would help this, I myself use two enhanced heavy reppers and one enhanced hardener.
I repp myself at 250ish/s and even that overpowers most damage coming thru.
I die alot AND have fun... Who knew?
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
149
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Posted - 2013.12.31 17:20:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:You can get on a maddy 560HP/s.
Assuming someone firing EVERY SINGLE SECOND NONSTOP, he would have to reload, and ALL the damage he did would go to waste.
So basically, this maddy can eat up all the swarms in the world.
It's hard to argue that this isn't OP honestly.
Even Jason Pearson on IRC agrees.
If they can escape with HALF the efficacy they do now. Everything is balanced.
Having a vehicle quoted to go One Thousand Kilometers An hour... Then have a Tank discription next to it is what broke tanks and AV balance.
It has nothing to do with anything but that.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
3197
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Posted - 2013.12.31 17:23:00 -
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I don't get why there is no stacking penalty...
Also, alpha damage. Don't expect to solo it.
Lack of content makes stuff broken...
Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
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Jason Pearson
3711
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Posted - 2013.12.31 17:27:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:I don't get why there is no stacking penalty...
Also, alpha damage. Don't expect to solo it.
You should be able to solo a HAV. This fit is ridiculous, but we're hitting a problem. By nerfing reps you break other fits that use a single rep, it's always going to be a massive issue. We need more equipment for AVers, Weapon Jammers, Webifiers, things that reduce HP regeneration for both Armor and Shields. etc.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire.
Zaria for Miss Universe 2014
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Valmorgan Aubaris
Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services
ACME Holding Conglomerate
99
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Posted - 2013.12.31 17:55:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
Even Jason Pearson on IRC agrees.
Who the hell is he, and why should I care?
EDIT: yes, tanks are rediculous. About as rediculous as reading the 20,000th thread about it.
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Let's gank Scotty.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1166
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Posted - 2013.12.31 18:07:00 -
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A webifier would solve the vast majority of our AV woes.
Being able to whole tanks in place would allow AV the time needed to do the huge alpha required to kill tanks right now.
Think about it. One player webs and another sticks on REs/fires PC/fires FG/many people fire swarms. With one piece of eq CCP could all but rebalance the tanking equation.
Throw vamps or some item that stop active modules from function/delays their refreshing and you might make it so a logi becomes a necessary AV tool.
Fun > Realism
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4324
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Posted - 2013.12.31 18:13:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:You can get on a maddy 560HP/s.
Assuming someone firing EVERY SINGLE SECOND NONSTOP, he would have to reload, and ALL the damage he did would go to waste.
So basically, this maddy can eat up all the swarms in the world.
It's hard to argue that this isn't OP honestly.
Even Jason Pearson on IRC agrees.
Stacking penalty, just like the first reply said. Possibly that stacking repairers causes a delay before repairs actually start?
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Aizen Intiki
Hell's Gate Inc
624
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Posted - 2013.12.31 18:17:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I don't get why there is no stacking penalty...
Also, alpha damage. Don't expect to solo it. You should be able to solo a HAV. This fit is ridiculous, but we're hitting a problem. By nerfing reps you break other fits that use a single rep, it's always going to be a massive issue. We need more equipment for AVers, Weapon Jammers, Webifiers, things that reduce HP regeneration for both Armor and Shields. etc.
weapoin jammers makes no sense. Tracking disruptors? Yes. As for Hp regen, hitting it hard enough will stop shield regen, and if you put stacking penalties on it won't even matter for Armor.
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Alt of the great Godin
I like chocolate ^___^
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Jason Pearson
3713
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Posted - 2013.12.31 18:31:00 -
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Valmorgan Aubaris wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
Even Jason Pearson on IRC agrees.
Who the hell is he, and why should I care? EDIT: yes, tanks are rediculous. About as rediculous as reading the 20,000th thread about it.
It's me. Hi, I regularly post balancing threads and suggestions. Some people acknowledge that I don't just make dread posts all the time ^_^ But you don't need to care, nobody cares much if you do or don't, most are just non factors anyway :)
Oh and pointing out why a tank is ridiculous is not the same as "AMAGADTANKGLOWCANTKILLITQQ" like most threads.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire.
Zaria for Miss Universe 2014
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2093
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Posted - 2013.12.31 18:37:00 -
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Nah its fine
Intelligence is OP
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Spectre-M
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
156
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Posted - 2013.12.31 18:40:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Valmorgan Aubaris wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
Even Jason Pearson on IRC agrees.
Who the hell is he, and why should I care? EDIT: yes, tanks are rediculous. About as rediculous as reading the 20,000th thread about it. It's me. Hi, I regularly post balancing threads and suggestions. Some people acknowledge that I don't just make dread posts all the time ^_^ But you don't need to care, nobody cares much if you do or don't, most are just non factors anyway :) Oh and pointing out why a tank is ridiculous is not the same as "AMAGADTANKGLOWCANTKILLITQQ" like most threads.
Webifiers would be nice, but I still believe most modules, drop suit and vehicle, should have stacking penalties. Even a penalty for multi activated modules.
Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist
Minnmatar in Amarr Armor
I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
2534
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:12:00 -
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Wait, I'm confused. You say 560/s, but the best heavy repper is 140/s, Maddys have 3 low slots, and maxed repping skill gives +25%...So that's 140*1.25*3=525/s....is there another skill that increases rep power?
No, I am not CCP Logibro.
Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
7229
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:14:00 -
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Fun fact: A forge gun shot to the weak spot will be repaired before the forge has charged up again.
Level 7 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9489
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:19:00 -
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These tanks are 100% immune to my Incubus, with no personal maintenance on their part. You have to alpha them with a few people or you will just never ever kill them, or use RE LAVs, because if you can't beat them, explode them with fire.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:25:00 -
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Webifiers are one solution another could be EMP grenades that disable all modules and weapons for a short period of time. They are already mentioned and used in the novels so they should be ok... |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
1366
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:28:00 -
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funny i said this and everyone still said 2 hardened tanks were better.
i guess i will just never post anything tht way i can't be ignored.
but hey one downside is u can be alpha damaged killed which is why i have 1 hardener.
:)
3 reps is just dumb, well because ur really weak to forges and/or rail tanks.
Main - BobThe843CakeMan
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1620
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:31:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:You can get on a maddy 560HP/s.
Assuming someone firing EVERY SINGLE SECOND NONSTOP, he would have to reload, and ALL the damage he did would go to waste.
So basically, this maddy can eat up all the swarms in the world.
It's hard to argue that this isn't OP honestly.
Even Jason Pearson on IRC agrees.
You're not a tanker. Stop trying to dictate how tanking is supposed to go.
Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
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Jason Pearson
3713
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:32:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Wait, I'm confused. You say 560/s, but the best heavy repper is 140/s, Maddys have 3 low slots, and maxed repping skill gives +25%...So that's 140*1.25*3=525/s....is there another skill that increases rep power?
Apologies if the number is wrong, I was talking to Cat about it and I haven't slept in about 30 hours, so my maths is quite bad.and I gave him the numbers
Spkr4thedead wrote:You're not a tanker. Stop trying to dictate how tanking is supposed to go.
Spkr, chill bruv. Try to tone the hostility down a little ;) I was going to post this, Cat however did it. We actually came up with a few ideas for fixing it to make it more active, by having things like a module that triples your passive reps but you default passive is significantly lower.
In a Militia fit maddy, it was kind of silly.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire.
Zaria for Miss Universe 2014
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5217
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:54:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Cat Merc wrote:You can get on a maddy 560HP/s.
Assuming someone firing EVERY SINGLE SECOND NONSTOP, he would have to reload, and ALL the damage he did would go to waste.
So basically, this maddy can eat up all the swarms in the world.
It's hard to argue that this isn't OP honestly.
Even Jason Pearson on IRC agrees. You're not a tanker. Stop trying to dictate how tanking is supposed to go.
You're not a Logi, stop trying to dictate how being a logi is supposed to go.
You're not a TAC AR user, stop trying to dictate how being a TAC AR user is supposed to go.
You're not a flaylocker, stop trying to dictate how being a flaylocker is supposed to go.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Aqua-Regia
612
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:56:00 -
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stacking anything is OP
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
166
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:00:00 -
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but don't railguns kill even the strongest of passive armor repped tanks rather easily? |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
440
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:02:00 -
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Funny thing, i solo'd a maddy with triple reps, takes 2 clips.
Guristas IAFG and twin damage mods, all shots hittin weak spots.
Now as for a tanker who can consistently aim correctly...
NERF AIMING! GIVE BLASTER TURRETS A CONE OF EFFECT, and make it so they can't shoot me!
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5218
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:04:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Funny thing, i solo'd a maddy with triple reps, takes 2 clips.
Guristas IAFG and twin damage mods, all shots hittin weak spots.
Now as for a tanker who can consistently aim correctly...
NERF AIMING! GIVE BLASTER TURRETS A CONE OF EFFECT, and make it so they can't shoot me!
The fact that the tanker let you hit his weak spot for a full two clips speaks volumes of his competence.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
169
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:06:00 -
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Put on more reppers, you say?
Will do! Thanks, didn't know about this! |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:10:00 -
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Takahiro and Spkr...proof that some people are never satisfied, no matter how OP their style of fighting becomes.
Life is killing me.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
2018
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:13:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I don't get why there is no stacking penalty...
Also, alpha damage. Don't expect to solo it. You should be able to solo a HAV. This fit is ridiculous, but we're hitting a problem. By nerfing reps you break other fits that use a single rep, it's always going to be a massive issue. We need more equipment for AVers, Weapon Jammers, Webifiers, things that reduce HP regeneration for both Armor and Shields. etc.
Now now lookt at that. When i stated that over 500HP/s armor reps are possible you laughed at me. Now you think its OP aswell lemme guess you used a gunnlogi with 3 hardeners against a madrugar who used 3 reppers and he simply soaked all of your blaster shots like nothing. Then your hardeners went off and you got screwed.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Commander Tzu
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
115
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:38:00 -
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I can't stop laughing at these "Maddys with triple reps are OP" post. It's just so funny because I meet Maddy's in a match who think the same thing, which makes it all the more fun when my Gunni kills them in two hits. |
ladwar
Death by Disassociation
Legacy Rising
1946
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:52:00 -
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forge= high alpha damage
AFG w/ max skills= 766~ dps( reload excluded). for 9 seconds, this mean you would 2214 past armor repper
swarms= high burst damage
wiyi SL w/ max skills= 1265~ dps (reload excluded). for 4 seconds, this would mean you do 2980 past armor repper
plasma cannon= RPG style
allotek w/ max skills and commando suit maxed= 495~ dps. for as long as you have ammo, this does not beat repper
this is all without damage mods and nature resistances/bonuses
Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet.
I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5222
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:58:00 -
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ladwar wrote:forge= high alpha damage AFG w/ max skills= 766~ dps( reload excluded). for 9 seconds, this mean you would 2214 past armor repper swarms= high burst damage wiyi SL w/ max skills= 1265~ dps (reload excluded). for 4 seconds, this would mean you do 2980 past armor repper plasma cannon= RPG style allotek w/ max skills and commando suit maxed= 495~ dps. for as long as you have ammo, this does not beat repper this is all without damage mods and nature resistances/bonuses
You keep excluding reload.
You think the tank will just stop regenerating while reloading?
lolno
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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