a sniper breaks rule 3, so it's OP

AR's break rule 2, so they are OP

CEOPryex uses scouts so tht's OP

worst rules Ever.

Stop ruining the good name of those who stayed with tanks from 1.0-.1.7

You are no better than the Duvolle/Gallogi tryhards of 1.7 or the MD/Flaylock/Callogis of 1.4 or callogi/Tars of 1.0; you disgust me. I want you to know that I dedicate every battle to hunting you down and farming your SP-less death machines like a Thale farms Frontline suits.

Cease and desist or I will QQ until a visit to the GD section makes your skull bleed.




To those who QQ about tanks being "OP":

No, REAL tanks are not OP. They cost around half a million ISK and losing 1 puts us in debt for the next 2-3 battles. That is PERFECT. 7 was ridiculous, but so is 1/3- like the soma and sica fits which cost 80k- I can lose 3 and still profit in a good battle. That is broken. That is why tanks are being spammed. These leaves us with 2 options, which I, as the Highest Level Unicorn, have deemed best choice:
1) Nerf militia tanksGǪGǪjust kidding. What this does is give no truly effective counter to the real tankers who will roflstomp infantry otherwise. Having powerful militia tank is necessary to keep tanks in check, when one is not a 'tanker'.
1.5) Buff AV. Sounds great until you realize that dropships are finally becoming useful, and an AV buff would knock them back into the dark ages.
1.6) Award 10 WP / 1000 DMG inflicted vs vehicles w/ AV weapons
2) Increase militia tank cost to 150k and STD hulls to 200k. Now, the real tankers will not be affected, but mlt tnk spam is impossible because losing more than 1 puts the user in the hole for the next battle- just like a tank should.

A tank should be powerful, yes, but it should not be something deployed more than once in a pub match. At the same time, it should not take 7 battles to generate enough ISK to deploy one tank.

Right now, a good gunlogi/maddy cost 400k. A good sica/soma costs 80k. Most battles will give someone around 200k. Ratios are as follows: STD(2:1) MLT (1:2). It needs to change to: MLT(1:1). MEaning, losing 1 STD tank fit takes 2 battles to regernate, losing 1 militia takes 1 battle to regenerate.

If this change was implemented, we would no longer see people spamming tanks because it bumps their KDR because most somas/sicas do not survive an entire battle- especially if there is a real tanker on the other team. Because of this, only expert tankers and those curious about driving tanks all deploy tanks. MLT tanks will still be powerful and accessible, STD well fitted tanks will not be only accessible to the rich, and infantry can enjoy a game with much less tank spam than we have now, while still delighting in the 3-Dimensional battlefield that 1.7 has brought us.


Also, award WP/DMG when using AV weapons

i may not have stuck with it as i have a very financial aproach and haveing proto amar logi heavy and assault was just to nice to pass up on..and while i do have a fleet of about 8k somas..i also have a variety of higher end havs thats range cost up to 300k and rising..i also am dedicating all sp as of 1.7 because i now have the 3 proto suits i wanted and im going to wait to specc suits intil ccp looks at ttk(financial thinker) ive already turned a profit of 75 mill isk from my 160k maddy and 170k gunlogi

come at me ill enjoy a good challenge tanks are allot of fun now that the price is cut down so much its very easy to profit and stomp in cheaper isk tanks..i can only imagine how awesome my cheaper tanks will be when they have 20+ mill sp dedicated.

you other tankers should really consider budget tanks to fund your max best gear..when you run in cheaper tanks you run better when you use your best tanks. and financially its a better way to do things as there is always that ******* whos only partially specced sitting in the cliffs with 2 x enhanced dmg mods ona mlt rail ina budget gunlogi that may just get you by surprise.

long for the moment where i have 30 + mill sp into tanks and 36+ mil sp into infantry and has my amarian death machine

Hi O'Dell!
Good post. If I may ask your thoughts on ...

1) ... REs and RE-based tactics?
2) ... the state of infantry-based AV weapons?
3) ... current and future HAV count limits?
4) ... Hardeners and Hardener stacking?
5) ... Veteran tank squads (i.e. the Nyain San effect)?

@ Spkr / Ghosts Chance
I understand that you two are big boys now, both so strong and brave. I appreciate that you're eager to help, but the above questions are for grown ups only, which is why I've specifically asked O'Dell. Thank you both for your understanding.

I say 10WP is way too little. I'd say something like 25WP.

As for your thoughts on lowering the cost to an extent, I doubt it considering how many people are already expecting a price increase and have purchased excess amounts of them (like 200 of them). But it is a step in the right direction.

I disagree with 1.5. To an extent. Buffing AV will not send Dropships back to the "Dark Ages". They now rely on a much higher eHP ceiling than they did in 1.6. On the other hand, outright buffing AV wouldn't really solve most of the problems we currently face.

I also must disagree with what your final statement in regards to the "3 Dimensional Battlefield we currently see in 1.7".

Uprising 1.7 has no 3 dimensional battlefield. The battlefield consits of 5 Tanks + 2 ADSs + 11 Infantry vs 14 Infantry + 2AV.

Also, what part of "Investing SP does not justify power" do you not get?

I'm thinking I'm only going to drop in the rail for AV purposes; 2x damage mods, you die, I switch back.

Stop ruining the good name of those who stayed with tanks from 1.0-.1.7

You are no better than the Duvolle/Gallogi tryhards of 1.7 or the MD/Flaylock/Callogis of 1.4 or callogi/Tars of 1.0; you disgust me. I want you to know that I dedicate every battle to hunting you down and farming your SP-less death machines like a Thale farms Frontline suits.

Cease and desist or I will QQ until a visit to the GD section makes your skull bleed.




To those who QQ about tanks being "OP":

No, REAL tanks are not OP. They cost around half a million ISK and losing 1 puts us in debt for the next 2-3 battles. That is PERFECT. 7 was ridiculous, but so is 1/3- like the soma and sica fits which cost 80k- I can lose 3 and still profit in a good battle. That is broken. That is why tanks are being spammed. These leaves us with 2 options, which I, as the Highest Level Unicorn, have deemed best choice:
1) Nerf militia tanksGǪGǪjust kidding. What this does is give no truly effective counter to the real tankers who will roflstomp infantry otherwise. Having powerful militia tank is necessary to keep tanks in check, when one is not a 'tanker'.
1.5) Buff AV. Sounds great until you realize that dropships are finally becoming useful, and an AV buff would knock them back into the dark ages.
1.6) Award 10 WP / 1000 DMG inflicted vs vehicles w/ AV weapons
2) Increase militia tank cost to 150k and STD hulls to 200k. Now, the real tankers will not be affected, but mlt tnk spam is impossible because losing more than 1 puts the user in the hole for the next battle- just like a tank should.

A tank should be powerful, yes, but it should not be something deployed more than once in a pub match. At the same time, it should not take 7 battles to generate enough ISK to deploy one tank.

Right now, a good gunlogi/maddy cost 400k. A good sica/soma costs 80k. Most battles will give someone around 200k. Ratios are as follows: STD(2:1) MLT (1:2). It needs to change to: MLT(1:1). MEaning, losing 1 STD tank fit takes 2 battles to regernate, losing 1 militia takes 1 battle to regenerate.

If this change was implemented, we would no longer see people spamming tanks because it bumps their KDR because most somas/sicas do not survive an entire battle- especially if there is a real tanker on the other team. Because of this, only expert tankers and those curious about driving tanks all deploy tanks. MLT tanks will still be powerful and accessible, STD well fitted tanks will not be only accessible to the rich, and infantry can enjoy a game with much less tank spam than we have now, while still delighting in the 3-Dimensional battlefield that 1.7 has brought us.


Also, award WP/DMG when using AV weapons

Then what does investing SP justify?

Stop ruining the good name of those who stayed with tanks from 1.0-.1.7

You are no better than the Duvolle/Gallogi tryhards of 1.7 or the MD/Flaylock/Callogis of 1.4 or callogi/Tars of 1.0; you disgust me. I want you to know that I dedicate every battle to hunting you down and farming your SP-less death machines like a Thale farms Frontline suits.

Cease and desist or I will QQ until a visit to the GD section makes your skull bleed.




To those who QQ about tanks being "OP":

No, REAL tanks are not OP. They cost around half a million ISK and losing 1 puts us in debt for the next 2-3 battles. That is PERFECT. 7 was ridiculous, but so is 1/3- like the soma and sica fits which cost 80k- I can lose 3 and still profit in a good battle. That is broken. That is why tanks are being spammed. These leaves us with 2 options, which I, as the Highest Level Unicorn, have deemed best choice:
1) Nerf militia tanksGǪGǪjust kidding. What this does is give no truly effective counter to the real tankers who will roflstomp infantry otherwise. Having powerful militia tank is necessary to keep tanks in check, when one is not a 'tanker'.
1.5) Buff AV. Sounds great until you realize that dropships are finally becoming useful, and an AV buff would knock them back into the dark ages.
1.6) Award 10 WP / 1000 DMG inflicted vs vehicles w/ AV weapons
2) Increase militia tank cost to 150k and STD hulls to 200k. Now, the real tankers will not be affected, but mlt tnk spam is impossible because losing more than 1 puts the user in the hole for the next battle- just like a tank should.

A tank should be powerful, yes, but it should not be something deployed more than once in a pub match. At the same time, it should not take 7 battles to generate enough ISK to deploy one tank.

Right now, a good gunlogi/maddy cost 400k. A good sica/soma costs 80k. Most battles will give someone around 200k. Ratios are as follows: STD(2:1) MLT (1:2). It needs to change to: MLT(1:1). MEaning, losing 1 STD tank fit takes 2 battles to regernate, losing 1 militia takes 1 battle to regenerate.

If this change was implemented, we would no longer see people spamming tanks because it bumps their KDR because most somas/sicas do not survive an entire battle- especially if there is a real tanker on the other team. Because of this, only expert tankers and those curious about driving tanks all deploy tanks. MLT tanks will still be powerful and accessible, STD well fitted tanks will not be only accessible to the rich, and infantry can enjoy a game with much less tank spam than we have now, while still delighting in the 3-Dimensional battlefield that 1.7 has brought us.


Also, award WP/DMG when using AV weapons

I didn't word that well.

What I meant to say was "SP does not justify the power that Madrugars/Gunnlogies have."