How is there nothing wrong with 'REAL' tanks? The only way 'REAL' tanks could be balanced by comparison to there WEAKER counterparts is if you consider tank spam a problem.

Which poses a lot of questions.
What's wrong with plenty of tanks? It's like saying the Plasma Cannon is overpowered because I went against a team who only used Plasma cannons.

What's wrong with everyone having access to tanks? Its meant to be all out war around here, the tank threat should be constant.

Why can't we use 0SP tanks? Didn't you tell us that we should be countering tanks with tanks?

Why can't tanks be cheap? Why should tanks be reserved for the chosen elite with enough money to run them?

Also I severly disagree with the use of ISK to balance spam, that's not the way to do, because you then get overpowered weapons only the rich, or those using aurum can wield, which is counterproductive. You should not balance on ISK, but price should be determined by balance. Therefore a balanced aspect will have an ISK value that reflects its survivability and usefulness on the battlefield.

REAL tanks are in no way balanced, you cannot at this point in time defend against any tank without the use of a squads worth of AV, or using your own tank.

The first is throughly impractical, the second you sit and complain about. Tanks need to be around often enough that a squad will consider running wjth one member as Full Time AV.

1.7 tanks were grossly underpowered not gonna deny that, but in this iteration tanks are grossly overpowered.

Rule #1

If CEOPyrex starts using an item consistently, it is OP.
(it isn't overpowered because he uses it, it is OP so he uses it)

Rule #2

Tryhards all flocking to the same thing? It is OP.

Rule #3

If the best counter to something is itself: OP.

Three simple rules, they never fail.

i feel like he has a list of tankers and he watches the GD section, refreshing every 10 seconds, and check the top posts, to check if one of us authored it, if so, then he clicks and says something along the lines of "stupid tankers, don't bother arguing with them." Then All 20 of us swarm on him and then I post a picture of him going 2/9 in a pub and then everyone calls him bad and I comment that he may be mad because he is bad, and so forth. I don't like Atiim. He is not my friend. Twilight Sparkle and the Mane 6 are my friends.

I once had a thread almost slip past him though but he caught it on the second page.

I agree with you that they are overpowered. It is a very controversial issue and extremely complicated. A MLT tank nerd, iso increase, hardener nerd, and a swarm buff might all be required to balance tanks, though these changes must be very conservative. I want tanks to be challenging again.

Stop ruining the good name of those who stayed with tanks from 1.0-.1.7

You are no better than the Duvolle/Gallogi tryhards of 1.7 or the MD/Flaylock/Callogis of 1.4 or callogi/Tars of 1.0; you disgust me. I want you to know that I dedicate every battle to hunting you down and farming your SP-less death machines like a Thale farms Frontline suits.

Cease and desist or I will QQ until a visit to the GD section makes your skull bleed.

I'll stop calling in my militia rail tank just as soon as it's no longer the cheaper---and more effective--AV option when compared to my proto SL build. Hell, my scout + RE suit is more effective than swarms at this point.

If you had half a brain you'd be able to deal with tanks with proper AV.
I'm sorry but that's honestly how it is.
Plant traps. Setup an ambush. Hell, position yourself in a half decent spot instead of standing in the middle of the road not even strafing in your "Anti-armor" fit. I will say that tanks accelerate a bit too fast but that hasn't stopped me from destroying every tank I've had to with pretty much every form of AV including a plasma cannon, forge, swarm, remotes, proprieties and hell I even popped a Soma with my HMG.
Not to mention I only have ADV plasma cannons, ADV swarms, PRO forge gun, ADV remotes and proxies.

Redline rail tank? What ever are you going to do?

1. Get a dropship
2. Get 3 friends who have AV fits
3. Fly low and fast all the way to their redline
4. Use afterburner as you get into the redline so he can't track you.
5. Bail out and deal with him

If you don' t have friends and are somewhat decent at flying you can pack it with remotes and crash into him. Which is only the 3rd most scrubby tactic in DUST for dealing with tanks.

Teamwork > Skill
Teamwork wins matches.

Rule #3
If the best counter to something is itself: OP.

Rule #1

If CEOPyrex starts using an item consistently, it is OP.
(it isn't overpowered because he uses it, it is OP so he uses it)

Rule #2

Tryhards all flocking to the same thing? It is OP.

Rule #3

If the best counter to something is itself: OP.

Three simple rules, they never fail.

lol. I think Atiim is the most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate

i feel like he has a list of tankers and he watches the GD section, refreshing every 10 seconds, and check the top posts, to check if one of us authored it, if so, then he clicks and says something along the lines of "stupid tankers, don't bother arguing with them." Then All 20 of us swarm on him and then I post a picture of him going 2/9 in a pub and then everyone calls him bad and I comment that he may be mad because he is bad, and so forth. I don't like Atiim. He is not my friend. Twilight Sparkle and the Mane 6 are my friends.

a sniper breaks rule 3, so it's OP

AR's break rule 2, so they are OP

CEOPryex uses scouts so tht's OP

worst rules Ever.

If you had half a brain you'd be able to deal with tanks with proper AV.
I'm sorry but that's honestly how it is.
Plant traps. Setup an ambush. Hell, position yourself in a half decent spot instead of standing in the middle of the road not even strafing in your "Anti-armor" fit. I will say that tanks accelerate a bit too fast but that hasn't stopped me from destroying every tank I've had to with pretty much every form of AV including a plasma cannon, forge, swarm, remotes, proprieties and hell I even popped a Soma with my HMG.
Not to mention I only have ADV plasma cannons, ADV swarms, PRO forge gun, ADV remotes and proxies.

Redline rail tank? What ever are you going to do?

1. Get a dropship
2. Get 3 friends who have AV fits
3. Fly low and fast all the way to their redline
4. Use afterburner as you get into the redline so he can't track you.
5. Bail out and deal with him

If you don' t have friends and are somewhat decent at flying you can pack it with remotes and crash into him. Which is only the 3rd most scrubby tactic in DUST for dealing with tanks.

Teamwork > Skill
Teamwork wins matches.

Stop ruining the good name of those who stayed with tanks from 1.0-.1.7

You are no better than the Duvolle/Gallogi tryhards of 1.7 or the MD/Flaylock/Callogis of 1.4 or callogi/Tars of 1.0; you disgust me. I want you to know that I dedicate every battle to hunting you down and farming your SP-less death machines like a Thale farms Frontline suits.

Cease and desist or I will QQ until a visit to the GD section makes your skull bleed.




To those who QQ about tanks being "OP":

No, REAL tanks are not OP. They cost around half a million ISK and losing 1 puts us in debt for the next 2-3 battles. That is PERFECT. 7 was ridiculous, but so is 1/3- like the soma and sica fits which cost 80k- I can lose 3 and still profit in a good battle. That is broken. That is why tanks are being spammed. These leaves us with 2 options, which I, as the Highest Level Unicorn, have deemed best choice:
1) Nerf militia tanksGǪGǪjust kidding. What this does is give no truly effective counter to the real tankers who will roflstomp infantry otherwise. Having powerful militia tank is necessary to keep tanks in check, when one is not a 'tanker'.
1.5) Buff AV. Sounds great until you realize that dropships are finally becoming useful, and an AV buff would knock them back into the dark ages.
1.6) Award 10 WP / 1000 DMG inflicted vs vehicles w/ AV weapons
2) Increase militia tank cost to 150k and STD hulls to 200k. Now, the real tankers will not be affected, but mlt tnk spam is impossible because losing more than 1 puts the user in the hole for the next battle- just like a tank should.

A tank should be powerful, yes, but it should not be something deployed more than once in a pub match. At the same time, it should not take 7 battles to generate enough ISK to deploy one tank.

Right now, a good gunlogi/maddy cost 400k. A good sica/soma costs 80k. Most battles will give someone around 200k. Ratios are as follows: STD(2:1) MLT (1:2). It needs to change to: MLT(1:1). MEaning, losing 1 STD tank fit takes 2 battles to regernate, losing 1 militia takes 1 battle to regenerate.

If this change was implemented, we would no longer see people spamming tanks because it bumps their KDR because most somas/sicas do not survive an entire battle- especially if there is a real tanker on the other team. Because of this, only expert tankers and those curious about driving tanks all deploy tanks. MLT tanks will still be powerful and accessible, STD well fitted tanks will not be only accessible to the rich, and infantry can enjoy a game with much less tank spam than we have now, while still delighting in the 3-Dimensional battlefield that 1.7 has brought us.


Also, award WP/DMG when using AV weapons

Also, the active modules up to enhanced needs nerfing. Why in the **** did Wolfman think it was a good idea to make them as good as the best ones?

So that Skill>SP.

Gunlogi/Maddy are more costly and not spammable because of it.

Then what's the point of SP?

Might as well go play Battlefield.