*watches Atiim slowly circle the thread*

*watches Atiim slowly circle the thread*

How am I supposed to solo tanks if they actually have resistance now and my no-skill 360 ladder stall swarm volleys don't deal 3k damage? It's not fair.

I'm mad because I am bad.

i feel like he has a list of tankers and he watches the GD section, refreshing every 10 seconds, and check the top posts, to check if one of us authored it, if so, then he clicks and says something along the lines of "stupid tankers, don't bother arguing with them." Then All 20 of us swarm on him and then I post a picture of him going 2/9 in a pub and then everyone calls him bad and I comment that he may be mad because he is bad, and so forth. I don't like Atiim. He is not my friend. Twilight Sparkle and the Mane 6 are my friends.

Stop ruining the good name of those who stayed with tanks from 1.0-.1.7

You are no better than the Duvolle/Gallogi tryhards of 1.7 or the MD/Flaylock/Callogis of 1.4 or callogi/Tars of 1.0; you disgust me. I want you to know that I dedicate every battle to hunting you down and farming your SP-less death machines like a Thale farms Frontline suits.

Cease and desist or I will QQ until a visit to the GD section makes your skull bleed.




To those who QQ about tanks being "OP":

No, REAL tanks are not OP. They cost around half a million ISK and losing 1 puts us in debt for the next 2-3 battles. That is PERFECT. 7 was ridiculous, but so is 1/3- like the soma and sica fits which cost 80k- I can lose 3 and still profit in a good battle. That is broken. That is why tanks are being spammed. These leaves us with 2 options, which I, as the Highest Level Unicorn, have deemed best choice:
1) Nerf militia tank hulls into the ground- cut CPU/PG by 40%, cut speed 30%, and reduce base SH/AR by 20%. Make militia LARGE turrets absolute garbage too-> Cut mot 80gj rail damage to 900 and 80gj blaster ROF by 35%
2) Increase militia tank cost to 150k and STD hulls to 200k. Now, the real tankers will not be affected, but mlt tnk spam is impossible because losing more than 1 puts the user in the hole for the next battle- just like a tank should.

A tank should be powerful, yes, but it should not be something deployed more than once in a pub match. At the same time, it should not take 7 battles to generate enough ISK to deploy one tank.

Right now, a good gunlogi/maddy cost 400k. A good sica/soma costs 80k. Most battles will give someone around 200k. Ratios are as follows: STD(2:1) MLT (1:2). It needs to change to: MLT(1:1). MEaning, losing 1 STD tank fit takes 2 battles to regernate, losing 1 militia takes 1 battle to regenerate.

If this change was implemented, we would no longer see people spamming tanks because it bumps their KDR because most somas/sicas do not survive an entire battle- especially if there is a real tanker on the other team. Because of this, only expert tankers and those curious about driving tanks all deploy tanks. MLT tanks will still be powerful and accessible, STD well fitted tanks will not be only accessible to the rich, and infantry can enjoy a game with much less tank spam than we have now, while still delighting in the 3-Dimensional battlefield that 1.7 has brought us.

lol. I think Atiim is the most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate

I just took my noob alt and ran 4 matches with a Sica, and no mods. took first place every match and didn't die until the very end - that was to a redline rail tank. I lost 59k out of 4 matches. You can make them 150k if you want, but they're still OP. Everyone does it because they're easy wins. Gunnlogi and Madruger are even easier wins.

lol. I think Atiim is the most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate

Gunlogi/Maddy are more costly and not spammable because of it.

Stop ruining the good name of those who stayed with tanks from 1.0-.1.7

You are no better than the Duvolle/Gallogi tryhards of 1.7 or the MD/Flaylock/Callogis of 1.4 or callogi/Tars of 1.0; you disgust me. I want you to know that I dedicate every battle to hunting you down and farming your SP-less death machines like a Thale farms Frontline suits.

Cease and desist or I will QQ until a visit to the GD section makes your skull bleed.




To those who QQ about tanks being "OP":

No, REAL tanks are not OP. They cost around half a million ISK and losing 1 puts us in debt for the next 2-3 battles. That is PERFECT. 7 was ridiculous, but so is 1/3- like the soma and sica fits which cost 80k- I can lose 3 and still profit in a good battle. That is broken. That is why tanks are being spammed. These leaves us with 2 options, which I, as the Highest Level Unicorn, have deemed best choice:
1) Nerf militia tanksGǪGǪjust kidding. What this does is give no truly effective counter to the real tankers who will roflstomp infantry otherwise. Having powerful militia tank is necessary to keep tanks in check, when one is not a 'tanker'.
1.5) Buff AV. Sounds great until you realize that dropships are finally becoming useful, and an AV buff would knock them back into the dark ages.
1.6) Award 10 WP / 1000 DMG inflicted vs vehicles w/ AV weapons
2) Increase militia tank cost to 150k and STD hulls to 200k. Now, the real tankers will not be affected, but mlt tnk spam is impossible because losing more than 1 puts the user in the hole for the next battle- just like a tank should.

A tank should be powerful, yes, but it should not be something deployed more than once in a pub match. At the same time, it should not take 7 battles to generate enough ISK to deploy one tank.

Right now, a good gunlogi/maddy cost 400k. A good sica/soma costs 80k. Most battles will give someone around 200k. Ratios are as follows: STD(2:1) MLT (1:2). It needs to change to: MLT(1:1). MEaning, losing 1 STD tank fit takes 2 battles to regernate, losing 1 militia takes 1 battle to regenerate.

If this change was implemented, we would no longer see people spamming tanks because it bumps their KDR because most somas/sicas do not survive an entire battle- especially if there is a real tanker on the other team. Because of this, only expert tankers and those curious about driving tanks all deploy tanks. MLT tanks will still be powerful and accessible, STD well fitted tanks will not be only accessible to the rich, and infantry can enjoy a game with much less tank spam than we have now, while still delighting in the 3-Dimensional battlefield that 1.7 has brought us.


Also, award WP/DMG when using AV weapons

1) Nerf militia tanksGǪGǪjust kidding. What this does is give no truly effective counter to the real tankers who will roflstomp infantry otherwise. Having powerful militia tank is necessary to keep tanks in check, when one is not a 'tanker'.

Except militia tanks are often used to kill infantry not other tanks.

1.5) Buff AV. Sounds great until you realize that dropships are finally becoming useful, and an AV buff would knock them back into the dark ages.

Buff AV or not it doesn't matter for dropships rail guns and rail installations reign hell on dropships, it only takes 2 shots regardless of the dropship, soreally a dropship HP buff is greatly needed along with a AV buff.

1.6) Award 10 WP / 1000 DMG inflicted vs vehicles w/ AV weapons
2) Increase militia tank cost to 150k and STD hulls to 200k. Now, the real tankers will not be affected, but mlt tnk spam is impossible because losing more than 1 puts the user in the hole for the next battle- just like a tank should.


Lol 10 WP for 1000 damage if only I could hit 1000 damage. At least 500 during hardened phase.

A tank should be powerful, yes, but it should not be something deployed more than once in a pub match. At the same time, it should not take 7 battles to generate enough ISK to deploy one tank.

Right now, a good gunlogi/maddy cost 400k. A good sica/soma costs 80k. Most battles will give someone around 200k. Ratios are as follows: STD(2:1) MLT (1:2). It needs to change to: MLT(1:1). MEaning, losing 1 STD tank fit takes 2 battles to regernate, losing 1 militia takes 1 battle to regenerate.

If this change was implemented, we would no longer see people spamming tanks because it bumps their KDR because most somas/sicas do not survive an entire battle- especially if there is a real tanker on the other team. Because of this, only expert tankers and those curious about driving tanks all deploy tanks. MLT tanks will still be powerful and accessible, STD well fitted tanks will not be only accessible to the rich, and infantry can enjoy a game with much less tank spam than we have now, while still delighting in the 3-Dimensional battlefield that 1.7 has brought us.


Also, award WP/DMG when using AV weapons

I agree with you. But there's another angle you're missing. I started running MLT tanks today. I FG quite a bit when I need AV. It's really fun, and I enjoy both the thrill of the hunt with one and the stress of pulling off a perfectly aligned shot leading a target. It's my go to AV when I have to swap out of my logibro to tackle the challenges of a changing battlefield.

The problem with running forges in 1.7? There are too many targets, and most of them are interweaving around each other. When I actually CAN get a drop on a forge my DPS is usually JUST enough that I can scare it before it can find cover. I find myself going for infantry targets over vehicle targets in tank heavy games because it feels less futile than wasting ammo and exposing myself to incoming fire to delay a tank pilot 30 seconds.

So, today I figured I'd fire up a rail Sica and see what I could do with that. My second game in I got 6 tank kills. The 4th or 5th I got double digit vehicle kills. People are spamming tanks because it's the only option some of us have left. I could swap back to AV and just sweat it out and hope for a single tank kill by some coordinated AV, or apparently I can just sit in a Sica and pick off targets with impunity.

That's a big part of the issue, I think. AV is not rewarding enough so no one's using it. The balance needs to be reworked in multiple ways before people are comfortable switching back out of tanks to get things done. Until that's handled this is what we all get. Trust me, as much fun as it is I'm not doing as much for my team riding a rail instead of being on the ground handling logistics. And I get far less WP from it. But when your team NEEDS AV and nothing else works what else are you supposed to do?

And just for the record the tanks I've ran into are about 2 or 3:1 ratio MLT to STD. So, cutting the amount of MLT tanks would certainly help a few things, but it's a bandaid that's not completely addressing the issues.