DUST Search - why tanks are cheap.

Borne Velvalor wrote:

THUNDERGROOVE wrote:

Disturbingly Bored wrote:

Tanks are cheap already, Nick. Huge price dive since 1.6, even more so when FW gear is taken into account. CCP did their classic MO on balancing:

Got a good laugh at that.

Tanks are still not cheap enough that losing 1 tank a match puts me positive, especially when considering the ninja nerf to match payouts.
My cheapest fit is still ~150K with all STD everything
If I want to fly my dropship there goes all my ISK from the past 5 matches because with railguns being stupidly OP, it likely won't survive a whole match.

What it comes down to is that you still cannot profit in STD tanks. You just can't. In an all STD tank I loose one nearly every match and if I lose one I'm likely to lose another to the same scrubby ****. Militia rails and jihad jeeps and being both AV and V I know you AV scrubs can kill tanks with swarms and forges. The get good scrub **** doesn't apply here. Anyone at any skill level should be able to profit at any role at STD, anyone who doesn't agree is an all infantry closed minded scrub and doesn't have a valid opinion to me or any vehicle operators anyways.

That's funny. I made millions in profit this week in MLT and STD tanks. Also, the payouts suck because tankers are inert and are too lazy to hack or drop uplinks. My wallet history is full of pubs paying me 300k-400k ISK with ~2000-3000 WP in low level tanks. I slowly make ISK in STD tanks and make tons in MLT tanks. If you're losing a lot, squad with other tankers; it's extremely hard to lose ISK in a full tank squad in STD tanks.

I have no problem funding endless tank spam. They are more than cheap enough.

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Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 295	Posted - 2013.12.30 20:11:00 - [1] - Quote its actually the way it should be, as a role in needs to be affordable, the issue is AV isn`t acting as a role as in its not being able to form its circle of the vehicle > infrantry, infantry > AV, AV > vehicles. it was an on going issue in privies builds (you CAN go and find them through forum history or thinking back). AV were doing there job destroying vehicles left and right although hated by vehicles its required, what wasn`t required was the cost of the vehicles, you can`t have strong AV and costly vehicles, that being said you can`t have cheap vehicles and weak AV. cheap vehicles (so its affordable as a role, LIKE any other role) and strong AV to keep the circle of battle life and to keep their role fed is needed, also lets be serious PRO infantrry gear can do asmuch damage as a tank (or the same thing just a squad of PRO or tanks) could do to infrantry, remember the infamous 'PROTO STOP" threads? why shouldn`t a anti infrantry role be that good against infrantry? well answer to that is becuse of a weak conuter to it but the counter to it isn`t going back to the wheel, it was only like 2 builds ago yet you complain that CCP is repeating itself... face it your doing that! AV needs a buff not vehicles need to cost more, that being said that its good to note that vehicles don`t have all there type of gear and the ones they do it only has 1 category of an average of 3-4 also the huals are STD, balancing AV needs to wait till vehicles are done or we are comparing PRO HMGs to STD assualt roles right before we add the rest of assualt (not real, its theorietrical, assualt has its STD-PRO). also note AV vehicles are better then AV since AV can`t beat AV vehicles since they can`t even beat vehicles that are anti infrantry so I put AV vehicles in the vehicle catigory since that makes sense, AV infrantry needs a buff (the only AV vehicle in need of a buff are small railguns).
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1702	Posted - 2013.12.30 20:12:00 - [2] - Quote if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk. or buff AV. Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1347	Posted - 2013.12.30 20:18:00 - [3] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk. or buff AV. Tanks are cheap already, Nick. Huge price dive since 1.6, even more so when FW gear is taken into account. CCP did their classic MO on balancing: Player base: "Tanks are too expensive and too vulnerable to AV. They need some love. Please make them cheaper, tougher, or nerf AV!" CCP: "Got it. Cheaper, tougher and nerf AV. That sounds balanced to us!" Player base: "WaitGÇª I think you read a word wrong. OH GOD WHAT DID YOU DO" ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 300/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 295	Posted - 2013.12.30 20:23:00 - [4] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk. or buff AV. buff AV as I said in the OP, let them eat cake? no LET THEM SPAM TANKS then, the AVs (being buffed) will gain so much for their role and the tankers will go bankrupt becuse you won`t be able to do stomp tactics. in the last build vehicle users had to bubble rap their vehicle becuse they could loose it easily against AV, THATS GOOD thats the circle but it costing them everything makes no sense. A tank will do as good against infantry with an AV guy hunting him down asmuch as an AV guy would do against tanks while being hunted down by an anti infrantry. also theres the concern of 1 AV against a squad of tanks, well how well do you aspect an infrantry squad could do against 1 anti infrantry, yes the swarm tactic works in all books but there will plenty of AV, chances are more then there are tanks (just like last build infact!!!). so its not like that at all.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 295	Posted - 2013.12.30 21:37:00 - [5] - Quote also if they added damage points for WP when giving damage to vehicles it would make alot of sense, so even if the vehicle escapes with a fuel mod or becuse your just 1 man YOU gain for YOUR role, it shouldn`t require a role to be a squad, even if you are outmatched you are doing your role right? so you should be rewarded not punished by not playing the current numbers game.
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 84	Posted - 2013.12.30 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote Word wall. Didn't read. Break into coherent paragraphs please. EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9441	Posted - 2013.12.30 21:41:00 - [7] - Quote It takes 2 weeks on a new character to get into a non militia tank. You don't need free tanks to be effective. A tank is a tank, and it should be priced accordingly. Videos "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting" ~ Sun Tzu
Jason Pearson 3698	Posted - 2013.12.30 21:48:00 - [8] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk. or buff AV. My tank costs me two matches if I lose one. There we go, balance. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Zaria for Miss Universe 2014
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9441	Posted - 2013.12.30 21:49:00 - [9] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk. or buff AV. My tank costs me two matches if I lose one. There we go, balance. Two matches is nothing for a tank.... Videos "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting" ~ Sun Tzu
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1350	Posted - 2013.12.30 21:57:00 - [10] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk. or buff AV. Question to pose, whats wrong with 'tank spam'? What's wrong with people using more than 1 tank a match? I expect tanks to be a constant threat. We need to fix the AV-Tank balance so that AV can be run effectively as role, as a constant role. We want squads to be encouraged to run with at least 1 AV available AT ALL TIMES. We don't want days of old wherd you just ran to a supply depot, changed blow up tank, change back. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Sgt Kirk Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 3883	Posted - 2013.12.30 21:59:00 - [11] - Quote If thanks went back to their old pricing it would cut down on spam Drastically.
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 91	Posted - 2013.12.30 22:01:00 - [12] - Quote Much better, and easier on the eyes! I have a sneaking feeling CCP is holding our for the TITAN suits muttered about.... EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
Rusty Shallows 621	Posted - 2013.12.30 22:20:00 - [13] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk. or buff AV. Question to pose, whats wrong with 'tank spam'? What's wrong with people using more than 1 tank a match? I expect tanks to be a constant threat. We need to fix the AV-Tank balance so that AV can be run effectively as role, as a constant role. We want squads to be encouraged to run with at least 1 AV available AT ALL TIMES. We don't want days of old wherd you just ran to a supply depot, changed blow up tank, change back. This has got to be the smartest problem summery post for 1.7 So naturally it will never reach the Devs. Don't worry Monkey Mac there are those of us who, "get it." MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 97	Posted - 2013.12.30 22:31:00 - [14] - Quote why should an Av fit cost more than the target itself(and needing 2 others to effectivly hunt them)? it's stupid! militia Tanks should cost at least 200 k isk...std ones double or triple of that...
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 768	Posted - 2013.12.30 22:47:00 - [15] - Quote Just for perspective it costs ~$20,000 to fully outfit a soldier and a basic M1 abrams costs ~$8,000,000 Meaning that just a HAV hull should cost 400x that of a fully outfitted dropsuit. Tanks shouldn't be cheap throw aways that can be spammed in pubs, they should be expensive game changers that corps pay for to turn the tide of a battle in PC. Tanking should be a secondary skill after having already skilled into a dropsuit and weapon. Making corps that have tankers have an advantage over those that don't. It becomes a specialized skill that corps will pay top dollar for when winning is so important that cost isn;t an issue. Think about it... regular working class guys can buy and afford rifles, countries buy tanks. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 428	Posted - 2013.12.30 22:50:00 - [16] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Tanks are cheap already, Nick. Huge price dive since 1.6, even more so when FW gear is taken into account. CCP did their classic MO on balancing: Got a good laugh at that. Tanks are still not cheap enough that losing 1 tank a match puts me positive, especially when considering the ninja nerf to match payouts. My cheapest fit is still ~150K with all STD everything If I want to fly my dropship there goes all my ISK from the past 5 matches because with railguns being stupidly OP, it likely won't survive a whole match. What it comes down to is that you still cannot profit in STD tanks. You just can't. In an all STD tank I loose one nearly every match and if I lose one I'm likely to lose another to the same scrubby **. Militia rails and jihad jeeps and being both AV and V I know you AV scrubs can kill tanks with swarms and forges. The get good scrub doesn't apply here. Anyone at any skill level should be able to profit at any role at STD, anyone who doesn't agree is an all infantry closed minded scrub and doesn't have a valid opinion to me or any vehicle operators anyways. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| Losematar** Scout What is a signature?
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc 621	Posted - 2013.12.30 22:52:00 - [17] - Quote I like how people is still ignoring the real issue...... "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 229	Posted - 2013.12.30 22:54:00 - [18] - Quote My tanks are still 465k a piece. Not exactly cheap and easy to run once a game if Im under fire all the time. I play carefully with my tanks and keep them alive. Just cause infantry are chasing me like a pack of wild dogs doesnt mean they should get my bumper as a consolation prize for their tenacity. I love it when they rush up on me and my heavy turret gunner hops out on them though. And he can hop right back in if need be. Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1841	Posted - 2013.12.30 22:57:00 - [19] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Tanks are cheap already, Nick. Huge price dive since 1.6, even more so when FW gear is taken into account. CCP did their classic MO on balancing: Got a good laugh at that. Tanks are still not cheap enough that losing 1 tank a match puts me positive, especially when considering the ninja nerf to match payouts. My cheapest fit is still ~150K with all STD everything If I want to fly my dropship there goes all my ISK from the past 5 matches because with railguns being stupidly OP, it likely won't survive a whole match. What it comes down to is that you still cannot profit in STD tanks. You just can't. In an all STD tank I loose one nearly every match and if I lose one I'm likely to lose another to the same scrubby **. Militia rails and jihad jeeps and being both AV and V I know you AV scrubs can kill tanks with swarms and forges. The get good scrub ** doesn't apply here. Anyone at any skill level should be able to profit at any role at STD, anyone who doesn't agree is an all infantry closed minded scrub and doesn't have a valid opinion to me or any vehicle operators anyways. That's funny. I made millions in profit this week in MLT and STD tanks. Also, the payouts suck because tankers are inert and are too lazy to hack or drop uplinks. My wallet history is full of pubs paying me 300k-400k ISK with ~2000-3000 WP in low level tanks. I slowly make ISK in STD tanks and make tons in MLT tanks. If you're losing a lot, squad with other tankers; it's extremely hard to lose ISK in a full tank squad in STD tanks. I have no problem funding endless tank spam. They are more than cheap enough. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 428	Posted - 2013.12.30 23:04:00 - [20] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Tanks are cheap already, Nick. Huge price dive since 1.6, even more so when FW gear is taken into account. CCP did their classic MO on balancing: Got a good laugh at that. Tanks are still not cheap enough that losing 1 tank a match puts me positive, especially when considering the ninja nerf to match payouts. My cheapest fit is still ~150K with all STD everything If I want to fly my dropship there goes all my ISK from the past 5 matches because with railguns being stupidly OP, it likely won't survive a whole match. What it comes down to is that you still cannot profit in STD tanks. You just can't. In an all STD tank I loose one nearly every match and if I lose one I'm likely to lose another to the same scrubby **. Militia rails and jihad jeeps and being both AV and V I know you AV scrubs can kill tanks with swarms and forges. The get good scrub doesn't apply here. Anyone at any skill level should be able to profit at any role at STD, anyone who doesn't agree is an all infantry closed minded scrub and doesn't have a valid opinion to me or any vehicle operators anyways. That's funny. I made millions in profit this week in MLT and STD tanks. Also, the payouts suck because tankers are inert and are too lazy to hack or drop uplinks. My wallet history is full of pubs paying me 300k-400k ISK with ~2000-3000 WP in low level tanks. I slowly make ISK in STD tanks and make tons in MLT tanks. If you're losing a lot, squad with other tankers; it's extremely hard to lose ISK in a full tank squad in STD tanks. I have no problem funding endless tank spam. They are more than cheap enough. Let me say it again any role at STD no matter how good or bad the player is should always be profitable. The fact people think tanks should be a 2nd role is horseshit considering you'd need 30 million SP to spec out your dropsuits and barely touch on vehicles. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| Losematar** Scout What is a signature?



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