DUSTSearch ForumWatch http://dustsearch.com/ The alternative DUST514 Forum browser. en-us Tue, 9 Sep 2025 00:00:00 +0000 DUSTSearch RSS Module v1.1 chribba@evemail <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by THUNDERGROOVE]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1668090#post1668090 Borne Velvalor wrote:
THUNDERGROOVE wrote:
Disturbingly Bored wrote:

Tanks are cheap already, Nick. Huge price dive since 1.6, even more so when FW gear is taken into account. CCP did their classic MO on balancing:

Got a good laugh at that.

Tanks are still not cheap enough that losing 1 tank a match puts me positive, especially when considering the ninja nerf to match payouts.
My cheapest fit is still 150K with all STD everything
If I want to fly my dropship there goes all my ISK from the past 5 matches because with railguns being stupidly OP, it likely won't survive a whole match.

What it comes down to is that you still cannot profit in STD tanks. You just can't. In an all STD tank I loose one nearly every match and if I lose one I'm likely to lose another to the same scrubby ****. Militia rails and jihad jeeps and being both AV and V I know you AV scrubs can kill tanks with swarms and forges. The get good scrub **** doesn't apply here. Anyone at any skill level should be able to profit at any role at STD, anyone who doesn't agree is an all infantry closed minded scrub and doesn't have a valid opinion to me or any vehicle operators anyways.

That's funny. I made millions in profit this week in MLT and STD tanks. Also, the payouts suck because tankers are inert and are too lazy to hack or drop uplinks. My wallet history is full of pubs paying me 300k-400k ISK with 2000-3000 WP in low level tanks. I slowly make ISK in STD tanks and make tons in MLT tanks. If you're losing a lot, squad with other tankers; it's extremely hard to lose ISK in a full tank squad in STD tanks.

I have no problem funding endless tank spam. They are more than cheap enough.

Let me say it again any role at STD no matter how good or bad the player is should always be profitable. The fact people think tanks should be a 2nd role is horseshit considering you'd need 30 million SP to spec out your dropsuits and barely touch on vehicles.
]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 23:04:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1366110 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Borne Velvalor]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1668073#post1668073 THUNDERGROOVE wrote:
Disturbingly Bored wrote:

Tanks are cheap already, Nick. Huge price dive since 1.6, even more so when FW gear is taken into account. CCP did their classic MO on balancing:

Got a good laugh at that.

Tanks are still not cheap enough that losing 1 tank a match puts me positive, especially when considering the ninja nerf to match payouts.
My cheapest fit is still 150K with all STD everything
If I want to fly my dropship there goes all my ISK from the past 5 matches because with railguns being stupidly OP, it likely won't survive a whole match.

What it comes down to is that you still cannot profit in STD tanks. You just can't. In an all STD tank I loose one nearly every match and if I lose one I'm likely to lose another to the same scrubby ****. Militia rails and jihad jeeps and being both AV and V I know you AV scrubs can kill tanks with swarms and forges. The get good scrub **** doesn't apply here. Anyone at any skill level should be able to profit at any role at STD, anyone who doesn't agree is an all infantry closed minded scrub and doesn't have a valid opinion to me or any vehicle operators anyways.

That's funny. I made millions in profit this week in MLT and STD tanks. Also, the payouts suck because tankers are inert and are too lazy to hack or drop uplinks. My wallet history is full of pubs paying me 300k-400k ISK with 2000-3000 WP in low level tanks. I slowly make ISK in STD tanks and make tons in MLT tanks. If you're losing a lot, squad with other tankers; it's extremely hard to lose ISK in a full tank squad in STD tanks.

I have no problem funding endless tank spam. They are more than cheap enough.]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:57:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1366097 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Ivy Zalinto]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1668065#post1668065 Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:54:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1366096 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Aizen Intiki]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1668061#post1668061 Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:52:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1366095 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by THUNDERGROOVE]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1668057#post1668057 Disturbingly Bored wrote:

Tanks are cheap already, Nick. Huge price dive since 1.6, even more so when FW gear is taken into account. CCP did their classic MO on balancing:

Got a good laugh at that.

Tanks are still not cheap enough that losing 1 tank a match puts me positive, especially when considering the ninja nerf to match payouts.
My cheapest fit is still 150K with all STD everything
If I want to fly my dropship there goes all my ISK from the past 5 matches because with railguns being stupidly OP, it likely won't survive a whole match.

What it comes down to is that you still cannot profit in STD tanks. You just can't. In an all STD tank I loose one nearly every match and if I lose one I'm likely to lose another to the same scrubby ****. Militia rails and jihad jeeps and being both AV and V I know you AV scrubs can kill tanks with swarms and forges. The get good scrub **** doesn't apply here. Anyone at any skill level should be able to profit at any role at STD, anyone who doesn't agree is an all infantry closed minded scrub and doesn't have a valid opinion to me or any vehicle operators anyways.]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:50:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1366094 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by stlcarlos989]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1668046#post1668046
Meaning that just a HAV hull should cost 400x that of a fully outfitted dropsuit. Tanks shouldn't be cheap throw aways that can be spammed in pubs, they should be expensive game changers that corps pay for to turn the tide of a battle in PC. Tanking should be a secondary skill after having already skilled into a dropsuit and weapon. Making corps that have tankers have an advantage over those that don't. It becomes a specialized skill that corps will pay top dollar for when winning is so important that cost isn;t an issue.

Think about it... regular working class guys can buy and afford rifles, countries buy tanks.]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:47:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1366070 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Nestil]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1668008#post1668008 Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:31:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1366040 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Rusty Shallows]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667967#post1667967 Monkey MAC wrote:
N1ck Comeau wrote:
if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk.

or buff AV.


Question to pose, whats wrong with 'tank spam'?
What's wrong with people using more than 1 tank a match? I expect tanks to be a constant threat.

We need to fix the AV-Tank balance so that AV can be run effectively as role, as a constant role.
We want squads to be encouraged to run with at least 1 AV available AT ALL TIMES. We don't want days of old wherd you just ran to a supply depot, changed blow up tank, change back.

This has got to be the smartest problem summery post for 1.7

So naturally it will never reach the Devs. Don't worry Monkey Mac there are those of us who, "get it."]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:20:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1366016 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Valmorgan Aubaris]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667915#post1667915
I have a sneaking feeling CCP is holding our for the TITAN suits muttered about....]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:01:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365958 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Sgt Kirk]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667912#post1667912 Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:59:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365957 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Monkey MAC]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667909#post1667909 N1ck Comeau wrote:
if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk.

or buff AV.


Question to pose, whats wrong with 'tank spam'?
What's wrong with people using more than 1 tank a match? I expect tanks to be a constant threat.

We need to fix the AV-Tank balance so that AV can be run effectively as role, as a constant role.
We want squads to be encouraged to run with at least 1 AV available AT ALL TIMES. We don't want days of old wherd you just ran to a supply depot, changed blow up tank, change back.]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:57:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365926 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by DUST Fiend]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667878#post1667878 Jason Pearson wrote:
N1ck Comeau wrote:
if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk.

or buff AV.


My tank costs me two matches if I lose one.
There we go, balance.

Two matches is nothing for a tank....]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:49:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365925 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Jason Pearson]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667873#post1667873 N1ck Comeau wrote:
if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk.

or buff AV.


My tank costs me two matches if I lose one.
There we go, balance.]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:48:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365897 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by DUST Fiend]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667852#post1667852
You don't need free tanks to be effective. A tank is a tank, and it should be priced accordingly.]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:41:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365896 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Valmorgan Aubaris]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667845#post1667845 Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:39:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365895 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Shouper of BHD]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667838#post1667838 Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:37:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365863 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Shouper of BHD]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667580#post1667580 N1ck Comeau wrote:
if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk.

or buff AV.


buff AV as I said in the OP, let them eat cake? no LET THEM SPAM TANKS then, the AVs (being buffed) will gain so much for their role and the tankers will go bankrupt becuse you wont be able to do stomp tactics. in the last build vehicle users had to bubble rap their vehicle becuse they could loose it easily against AV, THATS GOOD thats the circle but it costing them everything makes no sense. A tank will do as good against infantry with an AV guy hunting him down asmuch as an AV guy would do against tanks while being hunted down by an anti infrantry. also theres the concern of 1 AV against a squad of tanks, well how well do you aspect an infrantry squad could do against 1 anti infrantry, yes the swarm tactic works in all books but there will plenty of AV, chances are more then there are tanks (just like last build infact!!!). so its not like that at all.]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:23:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365632 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Disturbingly Bored]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667566#post1667566 N1ck Comeau wrote:
if tanks are cheap people will spam them. increase cost to basically limit tankers to 1 a game or they lose some serious isk.

or buff AV.


Tanks are cheap already, Nick. Huge price dive since 1.6, even more so when FW gear is taken into account. CCP did their classic MO on balancing:

Player base: "Tanks are too expensive and too vulnerable to AV. They need some love. Please make them cheaper, tougher, or nerf AV!"

CCP: "Got it. Cheaper, tougher and nerf AV. That sounds balanced to us!"

Player base: "WaitG I think you read a word wrong. OH GOD WHAT DID YOU DO"]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:18:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365607 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by N1ck Comeau]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667548#post1667548
or buff AV.]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:12:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365606 <![CDATA[why tanks are cheap. - by Shouper of BHD]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667545#post1667545 Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:11:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1365605