Ok, lets do it in whatever game mode you like best. Are you free tonight?

And LOL at "real modes", a bunch of morons running around in circles hacking and moving on is not any sort of proper game mode IMO.

Well said...

the team that gets their tanks into ambush first will win the match regardless whatever you do. Cause once one side has the map controll with 6 tanks you cant call in a vehicle simply due to the fact that at least 1 tank will see it and blow it up while its still hanging on the bolas. AV doesnt work cause shield tanks are indestructible while they have a shield hardener running. And when they got 3 hardeners its just pointless cause they can run a hardener the whole time non stop.


In my opinion AV needs to be buffed back to its former state. This means more swarm launcher damage, more forgegun damage with less charge up time and higher AV grenade damage.

The tankers who say "i dont play ambush, i play proper modes" are blatantly aware that tanks are inbalanced at the moment thats why they avoid that mode cause you cant avoid the tanks. On skirmish you can sit in the redline with a safe spawn. Ambush is like hardcore mode on dust. Its either you win stright from the begining or get demolished hard.

And go ahead try to kill a redline railgun tank with swarms/forgegun. I highly doubt it that you will have any sucess at all. Redline= easy mode/save haven.

EnglishSnake, my god i have not seen that name in years...

can I come along!

Oh god yes. I want to come along for the ride.

Make them do it in ALL 3 Gamemodes (Ambush, Skirmish, and Domination).

And make them use Swarm Launchers and Plasma Cannons.

OP basically asked for the tankers to get out of their tanks and play infantry... LMFAO

There is reason why a player chooses to have +5000 EHP in a FPS

Why is that wrong?

For the record:

I haven't made up my mind about this entire tanks vs AV debacle. I do see tank after tank gets blown up (though mostly by other tanks), but I also see tank Squads ruling the Battlefield With entire Squads of AV players getting stomped....

Its as always a matter of situation, team composition and general skill of the players.

Having dudes thats hardly done anything but tank for almost 2 years come here and claim how easy av is, that they can drop a tank in standard gear without any skills invested is pure nonsense, especially the "easy" part of it all.

So far I can see 2 major issues thats off:

1. Tank spam in Ambush. Not that I play that game mode much these days but it is nice to have a Place where we can just screw around and shoot someone in the face, without worrying about much else. A co-ordinated tank Train is a sure winner and is about to break that entire game mode, its a shame.

2. The accuracy/efficiency of Large blasters. Yes we've always had them and no one complained, why? I don't have a Clue. Perhaps it would be best to remove it all together or do some tweaks to them, i dunno. IMO the large guns should be for other vehicles, installations, aerial vehicles and area denial, not the supersized AR, infantry killer it is today. With the removal of large blasters, tankers will off course get the occational infantry kill. Did you ever hear a ground pounder complain about getting killed by a rail or missile tank? I haven't.

If Heavy blasters would be removed, the tankers needs to fit their smaller turrets for Close infantri submission. This will lead to the tankers "suffering" from the same issue that AV infantry has, as an AVer you're pretty much dependant on guys to cover and take out enemy infantry or you'll not even get Close. To do everything you need more than 1 dude in the Box.

Today the tanks are:

- Very solid in terms of HP
- Very solid in terms of keeping that hp With hardeners
- Very solid in terms of repping time
- Very solid vs anything not infantry
- Very solid vs infantry
- And they are fast to the point were it actually looks silly or "cartoonish" when you see them speed boost away...

Removing large blasters would give them a proper role on the Battlefield, not the "be all do all better than anything else" machines they are today. Does this sound balanced?

Stop complaining about pubs, pubs is pubs with crap matchmaking

1. lolambush, lolpubambush, lolmatchmaking and whoever spawns in 1st with the tanks win

2. No one complained ever, these turrets are anti infantry and can be anti tank also, 1.7 the right blaster can rip through a tank but its alot harder, this is an anti infantry weapon, a large AR for AR514 which this game still is

If you remove large blasters because they kill infantry very well will you also call for the removal of forge guns because they kill vehicles very well

So far we have infantry calling for the removal of the railgun turret and now the blaster turret so what we have left is just missiles and infantry will still cry about this turret if we keep killing infantry with it

- Very solid in terms of HP - Only EHP, shield standard is 4k, armor is 5.2 and either tank with no hardeners is easy to kill
- Very solid in terms of keeping that hp With hardeners - Its what hardeners are made for, they were made to reduce a portion of incoming damage, but no hardeners means it will lose that HP very quickly
- Very solid in terms of repping time - Only when not being damaged, go over the damage threshold and the shield rep stops completely, armor is temp stopped
- Very solid vs anything not infantry - Its what its made for
- Very solid vs infantry - Depending on the fit its what its made for
- And they are fast to the point were it actually looks silly or "cartoonish" when you see them speed boost away... - Current heavy tanks can reach upto 40MPH and prob more, this is the future where my tank has shields and less armor so less weight and can move faster and i dunno the hull is made of solid carbon fibre and is propelled by a augmented fusion reactor and with a overdrive injector installed can go even faster

Removing blasters is just for infantry who get caught out in the open too much

I have yet to see any of you tankers man up and face my Challenge, talk is cheap....

unfortunatley i cannot do as u say on the u servers as vehicle spamm for american on eu servers causes the eu server players vehicles to teleport/...but once ccp fixes the lag issue sure

All I see is:

PBI - get gud, use teamwork cause you need to do so to do any form of AV short of Jihad LAV.

I run a tank, and should be able to do it all short of hacking objectives, why should I Waste that PG/CPU and fill the smaller turrets With friends when I can manage alone and stomp anything alone?

Why should infantry be dependant on teamwork but the tankers should not?

And FFS, a real world argument? Really? ES, I didn't think you'd go that low. Well here's one for you: No tank today has a fast shooting anti-infantry gun as a priamry, that job is handled by the smaller guns on the tank, which it should on Yours too. This is not an argument I would ever bring up normally. (Yes there are some armored vehicles With a fast shooting 50 cal on the roof, not exactly the same as the giant blasters we have in Dust.)

And again, dismissing parts of the game cause you don't play it yourselves shows how selfish you really are.

And no, I wouldn't remove forge's, they normally need to be 2 to take Down any decent tanker, I would however increase the range of the smaller blasters so you don't get outranged by forges.

Edit:

I have yet to see any of you tankers man up and face my Challenge, talk is cheap....

Why should i put small turrets on? i cant lock the doors, i cant kick players out who i dont want in my tank, i cant stop bluedots from getting in if one of my guys is out and hacking an objective - Give me the tools and may run small turrets again

Tankers use teamwork, i use teamwork and work with other tanks/infantry, i find AV do not use teamwork and still think that a clip of a proto swarm will take care of everything

Infantry use real world arguments such as a tank takes a crew of 4 to run it, the driver shouldnt have a gun, it only takes 1 rpg to kill a tank etc but double standards if i use it okay i got it

loldismisisng parts of the game

- Very solid in terms of HP - Only EHP, shield standard is 4k, armor is 5.2 and either tank with no hardeners is easy to kill
- Very solid in terms of keeping that hp With hardeners - Its what hardeners are made for, they were made to reduce a portion of incoming damage, but no hardeners means it will lose that HP very quickly
- Very solid in terms of repping time - Only when not being damaged, go over the damage threshold and the shield rep stops completely, armor is temp stopped
- Very solid vs anything not infantry - Its what its made for
- Very solid vs infantry - Depending on the fit its what its made for
- And they are fast to the point were it actually looks silly or "cartoonish" when you see them speed boost away... - Current heavy tanks can reach upto 40MPH and prob more, this is the future where my tank has shields and less armor so less weight and can move faster and i dunno the hull is made of solid carbon fibre and is propelled by a augmented fusion reactor and with a overdrive injector installed can go even faster

You mean you cant reply to it because im right

Your challenge is doing AV in lolambush, then again how many times did AV say tanking was easy from 1.0 to 1.6? we even gave AV players a fully fitted top of the line tank and see if they could survive the whole game in it, only 1 person i know took the challenge on and lost the tank in 5mins so AV is also all talk while we are at it

1. Don't care what others have said or claimed earlier, lets focus on the situation at hand.
2. You and Jason are the ones claiming AV is easy, thats the real issue here, just taste it: "easy".
And the danm list:
- 4k is the lowest amount on a tank and still higher than anything short of installations, I Call that a lot, its a tank, not saying they have too much, just saying they have the most.
- People run 3 hardeners and With a little smart play you can survive everything short of other tanks.
- What is that treshold? I see tanks losing 5K hp and be back a very short time after fully charged, this is also ok.
- And you claim that a tank should be effective against anything dependant on fit, ok. What then are the Counter to tanks other than more tanks? A wave of Av players? Mines everywhere An entire team focusing on those 5 tanks while the rest of the infantry goes unchecked? You have the best tankers you normally win the game, thats a fact.
- Its very teasy to explain everything in a sci-fi universe, doesn't mean it doesn't look silly.

Individually I don't have any issues With any of the Things mention above, its the combinations of all of them that is a tad too much currently. Another sollutions would be to give the dropships more effective weapons vs tanks, now that would be balanced. Tank>AV - DS>Tank and AV>DS or something like that, you see rock paper scissors, now iits tank tank tank. I don't come here pretending I have the ansver, all I know is that the game is a little too tank oriented atm.

The Things we can agree on is the loocking of vehicles so you don't get a bunch of nubs in there, you cot my sympathy there.


Anyways, I'm fed up With you now, you're obviously biased and think more about your own preffered role and little of the general Balance of the game. And do mind, I'm not here to get any sort of super tank nerf going, its just a tad too much atm.

And I'm also getting bored by all this, weren't you the guy that sat on a mountaintop fir half a year redline sniping With a tank? I mean, the community even named that hill up after you, it says a little about you as a player and by extension how biased you are. Its perfectly Natural tfor you to sit way out of harms way and just rack in the kills. I do protostomp true, but its not like the dude standing 10 m from can't shoot back....




And again its all about Your and Jason's claim, saying AV is easy. Easy compared to what? If you'd go back on Your Words and said: "AV play is challanging and it should be, its a tank FFS sake, being hard to kill is what they're all about. Yes you need to be 2 AVers vs a single tank in most cases but that is to be expected".

No but you come here and claim that you're good and all the AVers are just **** players that can't play the game properly. Its a very high nose selfish and not least childish way of looking at it. And I wouldn't have bothered to make this thread in the first Place. And still neither of you will take me up on that Challenge, and until you do, my point still stands.

No wonder you have less than 20 active players if you are so elitist!

20 M? Seriously? You're giving up a lot of fresh talents. PC active top corporations have people with much less than 20 M or so said good KDR.

I'm absolutely shocked at those requirements. The only understandable one is to be a bit gay.

really i kill tanks all the time and you want to know how.

i speced into it. (AV)

along with tanks.

and yes i read it.

REs and porxies work. Forge gun work and ambushes with multiple light AV work.

Now tanks with constant hardeners require porcy traps with forges to hit after words or other light AV.

Forge guns kill tanks in 3-4 shots no hards on which most do not have on all the time.

Other light AV it is almost required to have more than one or else it doesn't do enough damage. IMO swarms do need a slight buff. along with the plasma cannon, but not so much as to make the forge seem pointless. as it is supposed to be heavy AV. AKA the strongest AV.

but this game has still yet to add any webifiers or other equipment to **** off tankers yet.