With less than 20 active players and no corp wallet to speak of we sold out not bothering to fight a war vs Laggy Spam after they declared to me that they wanted to remove us from PC. We don't have the manpower, the isk or not least the will to fight a losing war vs the laggiest, richest and most exploit using corp in Dust. It would drain us for isk and probably the will to even play Dust.

Yes, thats what happens every game, its mostly the tankers getting trashed by AV in no time. Perhaps give tanks some more HP or better hardeners then?

Well yes to the first, but only because they come here and claim it is so easy to kill tanks, its no problem for them doing it in basic gear with little to no infantry skills. Did you read the thread I linked? Claims like these pisses me off cause they're lying, and if they're not lying and everybody else simply suck, what would be better than to get "vid proof" posted by a non tanker on these forums? I will confirm their BS claim is true. And in the right sort of way, I can record a string of games getting the full picture of it, not some edited BS from someone having the occational tank kill.....

And please elaborate, how can AV-ers learn to get better?

First off, I don't complain much at all. (And what is "OP to my ears"?)

I've not even commented upon the AV-Tank Balance other than in too many cases another tank is the only viable AV option, definately the best one.

The tankers claim its easy to do AV, even for them, I wan't them to show me cause I don't believe them for a second.

Its quite simple really.

(And please link my posts where I actually come on to these forums and complain. (Well With exception of my previous "nades should be nerfed" threads.))

Ok, lets do it in whatever game mode you like best. Are you free tonight?

And LOL at "real modes", a bunch of morons running around in circles hacking and moving on is not any sort of proper game mode IMO.

You need to have a min 3.5 KDR, 20 M + SP, a dedicated role and be at least slightly gay!

Well you said it was easy, I simply want you to show me, I must clearly be doing it wrong. The form of it is not that important IMO.

- No forge roof camping.
- I would prefer ambush cause there's where the truly tough games are, I mean, 6 enemy tanks and no place to hide very ofthen.We can do it in other modes too, not that important.
- I will observe, you said it was easy so why do you need a group?Or my help? If you bring in 1 friend you can go 2 vs1 against the tanks, fair enough?

And I really hope that FOTM fit and Modded controller comment was directed at someone else, That couldn't be me you're talking about unless you're seriously deluded.

You go Av in ambush against a tank rain and lets see how hard it is....

I'm signing into dust right now. How many people do you need to demonstrate how easy AV play is? 5 would be max since I'm there too....

I'll be in "Rainbow anything" in 5 minutes, and I must say:

I'm impressed that you wanna take this challenge, didn't think that would happen....

If this corp was truly intended for owning districts in PC I would agree with you. This is however a merc corp. And with 2 exceptions (1 super logi and 1 AV specialist) we're all experienced players with good gear and good to great gungame.

If people are to keep paying us 5 M per merc per battle +bonus I'd like to keep it so that our customers come again and again, filling the corp with "potentials" or "good enough" people, could lead to poor performance and us loosing business because of that.

I also have to actually like and know the dudes in my corp, see what happened to SI who recruited way too fast.

Dust is by far the easiest FPS game to do well in, by a mile. Even a semi blind scrub like me gets a moronic KDR....

A 2 KDR is a great score in any game, but not in Dust.

Besides, if you're paying good isk for a squad to help you out, wouldn't you want some sort of set standard? I mean, we all have our bad games but its not like a player with said recuirements are bad in general...

No, that was a typo, its officially 15 M SP, but none of these numbers are set in stone, we have guys with lesser stats but they've gotten in after impressing me or others over several games.

Hit me up if you wanna do some games...

We both mean that the only proper counter to tanks is calling in your own tank.

You seem to think thats fine, I however do not.

For the record:

I haven't made up my mind about this entire tanks vs AV debacle. I do see tank after tank gets blown up (though mostly by other tanks), but I also see tank Squads ruling the Battlefield With entire Squads of AV players getting stomped....

Its as always a matter of situation, team composition and general skill of the players.

Having dudes thats hardly done anything but tank for almost 2 years come here and claim how easy av is, that they can drop a tank in standard gear without any skills invested is pure nonsense, especially the "easy" part of it all.

So far I can see 2 major issues thats off:

1. Tank spam in Ambush. Not that I play that game mode much these days but it is nice to have a Place where we can just screw around and shoot someone in the face, without worrying about much else. A co-ordinated tank Train is a sure winner and is about to break that entire game mode, its a shame.

2. The accuracy/efficiency of Large blasters. Yes we've always had them and no one complained, why? I don't have a Clue. Perhaps it would be best to remove it all together or do some tweaks to them, i dunno. IMO the large guns should be for other vehicles, installations, aerial vehicles and area denial, not the supersized AR, infantry killer it is today. With the removal of large blasters, tankers will off course get the occational infantry kill. Did you ever hear a ground pounder complain about getting killed by a rail or missile tank? I haven't.

If Heavy blasters would be removed, the tankers needs to fit their smaller turrets for Close infantri submission. This will lead to the tankers "suffering" from the same issue that AV infantry has, as an AVer you're pretty much dependant on guys to cover and take out enemy infantry or you'll not even get Close. To do everything you need more than 1 dude in the Box.

Today the tanks are:

- Very solid in terms of HP
- Very solid in terms of keeping that hp With hardeners
- Very solid in terms of repping time
- Very solid vs anything not infantry
- Very solid vs infantry
- And they are fast to the point were it actually looks silly or "cartoonish" when you see them speed boost away...

Removing large blasters would give them a proper role on the Battlefield, not the "be all do all better than anything else" machines they are today. Does this sound balanced?

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