Ok, lets do it in whatever game mode you like best. Are you free tonight?

And LOL at "real modes", a bunch of morons running around in circles hacking and moving on is not any sort of proper game mode IMO.

Well you said it was easy, I simply want you to show me, I must clearly be doing it wrong. The form of it is not that important IMO.

- No forge roof camping.
- I would prefer ambush cause there's where the truly tough games are, I mean, 6 enemy tanks and no place to hide very ofthen.We can do it in other modes too, not that important.
- I will observe, you said it was easy so why do you need a group?Or my help? If you bring in 1 friend you can go 2 vs1 against the tanks, fair enough?

And I really hope that FOTM fit and Modded controller comment was directed at someone else, That couldn't be me you're talking about unless you're seriously deluded.

You go Av in ambush against a tank rain and lets see how hard it is....

I'm signing into dust right now. How many people do you need to demonstrate how easy AV play is? 5 would be max since I'm there too....

I'll be in "Rainbow anything" in 5 minutes, and I must say:

I'm impressed that you wanna take this challenge, didn't think that would happen....

For the record:

I haven't made up my mind about this entire tanks vs AV debacle. I do see tank after tank gets blown up (though mostly by other tanks), but I also see tank Squads ruling the Battlefield With entire Squads of AV players getting stomped....

Its as always a matter of situation, team composition and general skill of the players.

Having dudes thats hardly done anything but tank for almost 2 years come here and claim how easy av is, that they can drop a tank in standard gear without any skills invested is pure nonsense, especially the "easy" part of it all.

So far I can see 2 major issues thats off:

1. Tank spam in Ambush. Not that I play that game mode much these days but it is nice to have a Place where we can just screw around and shoot someone in the face, without worrying about much else. A co-ordinated tank Train is a sure winner and is about to break that entire game mode, its a shame.

2. The accuracy/efficiency of Large blasters. Yes we've always had them and no one complained, why? I don't have a Clue. Perhaps it would be best to remove it all together or do some tweaks to them, i dunno. IMO the large guns should be for other vehicles, installations, aerial vehicles and area denial, not the supersized AR, infantry killer it is today. With the removal of large blasters, tankers will off course get the occational infantry kill. Did you ever hear a ground pounder complain about getting killed by a rail or missile tank? I haven't.

If Heavy blasters would be removed, the tankers needs to fit their smaller turrets for Close infantri submission. This will lead to the tankers "suffering" from the same issue that AV infantry has, as an AVer you're pretty much dependant on guys to cover and take out enemy infantry or you'll not even get Close. To do everything you need more than 1 dude in the Box.

Today the tanks are:

- Very solid in terms of HP
- Very solid in terms of keeping that hp With hardeners
- Very solid in terms of repping time
- Very solid vs anything not infantry
- Very solid vs infantry
- And they are fast to the point were it actually looks silly or "cartoonish" when you see them speed boost away...

Removing large blasters would give them a proper role on the Battlefield, not the "be all do all better than anything else" machines they are today. Does this sound balanced?

All I see is:

PBI - get gud, use teamwork cause you need to do so to do any form of AV short of Jihad LAV.

I run a tank, and should be able to do it all short of hacking objectives, why should I Waste that PG/CPU and fill the smaller turrets With friends when I can manage alone and stomp anything alone?

Why should infantry be dependant on teamwork but the tankers should not?

And FFS, a real world argument? Really? ES, I didn't think you'd go that low. Well here's one for you: No tank today has a fast shooting anti-infantry gun as a priamry, that job is handled by the smaller guns on the tank, which it should on Yours too. This is not an argument I would ever bring up normally. (Yes there are some armored vehicles With a fast shooting 50 cal on the roof, not exactly the same as the giant blasters we have in Dust.)

And again, dismissing parts of the game cause you don't play it yourselves shows how selfish you really are.

And no, I wouldn't remove forge's, they normally need to be 2 to take Down any decent tanker, I would however increase the range of the smaller blasters so you don't get outranged by forges.

Edit:

I have yet to see any of you tankers man up and face my Challenge, talk is cheap....

1. Don't care what others have said or claimed earlier, lets focus on the situation at hand.
2. You and Jason are the ones claiming AV is easy, thats the real issue here, just taste it: "easy".
And the danm list:
- 4k is the lowest amount on a tank and still higher than anything short of installations, I Call that a lot, its a tank, not saying they have too much, just saying they have the most.
- People run 3 hardeners and With a little smart play you can survive everything short of other tanks.
- What is that treshold? I see tanks losing 5K hp and be back a very short time after fully charged, this is also ok.
- And you claim that a tank should be effective against anything dependant on fit, ok. What then are the Counter to tanks other than more tanks? A wave of Av players? Mines everywhere An entire team focusing on those 5 tanks while the rest of the infantry goes unchecked? You have the best tankers you normally win the game, thats a fact.
- Its very teasy to explain everything in a sci-fi universe, doesn't mean it doesn't look silly.

Individually I don't have any issues With any of the Things mention above, its the combinations of all of them that is a tad too much currently. Another sollutions would be to give the dropships more effective weapons vs tanks, now that would be balanced. Tank>AV - DS>Tank and AV>DS or something like that, you see rock paper scissors, now iits tank tank tank. I don't come here pretending I have the ansver, all I know is that the game is a little too tank oriented atm.

The Things we can agree on is the loocking of vehicles so you don't get a bunch of nubs in there, you cot my sympathy there.


Anyways, I'm fed up With you now, you're obviously biased and think more about your own preffered role and little of the general Balance of the game. And do mind, I'm not here to get any sort of super tank nerf going, its just a tad too much atm.

And I'm also getting bored by all this, weren't you the guy that sat on a mountaintop fir half a year redline sniping With a tank? I mean, the community even named that hill up after you, it says a little about you as a player and by extension how biased you are. Its perfectly Natural tfor you to sit way out of harms way and just rack in the kills. I do protostomp true, but its not like the dude standing 10 m from can't shoot back....




And again its all about Your and Jason's claim, saying AV is easy. Easy compared to what? If you'd go back on Your Words and said: "AV play is challanging and it should be, its a tank FFS sake, being hard to kill is what they're all about. Yes you need to be 2 AVers vs a single tank in most cases but that is to be expected".

No but you come here and claim that you're good and all the AVers are just **** players that can't play the game properly. Its a very high nose selfish and not least childish way of looking at it. And I wouldn't have bothered to make this thread in the first Place. And still neither of you will take me up on that Challenge, and until you do, my point still stands.