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noob cavman
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:31:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Et tu Roofer? Never expected you to try and troll me.
Egypt has what he thinks is my address because we were discussing doing gifts for each other and Harle wanted to send me a controller and a game (Rock Band 2). all directors of ANON had each others phone numbers... It was easier to communicate that way... So oh no, he can call me... ;.; . However, as for my name... He doesn't have that. :). Logan may be my first, but he needs my middle and last name for anything useful. Of which, he has neither. Come on Johnny Paycheck... Thought you thought higher of me then that. That's why I said fail demens. Because Egypt and your's exchange literally made me lol. The rest of my comment was reserved for Aeon. I got no bad blood with ya demens. As a matter of fact I think this dying, boring game needs more "enemies" to keep it interesting. And noob - all the farming was your idea to begin with and everyone knows it.
SHUT UP ROOFER
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
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demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:41:00 -
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Noob... Always on the hunt for more Scooby snacks...
btw noob.. How did that taste, the other night? ;) |
noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:44:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:Noob... Always on the hunt for more Scooby snacks...
btw noob.. How did that taste, the other night? ;)
Scooby snacks!? Where!? And it taste like hot metal and disappointment
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
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demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:05:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Noob... Always on the hunt for more Scooby snacks...
btw noob.. How did that taste, the other night? ;) Scooby snacks!? Where!? And it taste like hot metal and disappointment
hot metal and disappointment... Sounds like a very kinky date |
noob cavman
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:06:00 -
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Well get thy logi ass on dust
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
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demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:18:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Well get thy logi ass on dust
I got this thing, called a job, I am doing :(. Waiting for a plasma instrument to settle down so I can finish maintenance. :(
and me, a logi? You should run with me sometime on my heavy... Would be fun... And you don't have to worry about the other end of that HMG |
noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:21:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:noob cavman wrote:Well get thy logi ass on dust I got this thing, called a job, I am doing :(. Waiting for a plasma instrument to settle down so I can finish maintenance. :( and me, a logi? You should run with me sometime on my heavy... Would be fun... And you don't have to worry about the other end of that HMG
I have a job cheeky bastard. XD indeed we should
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demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:23:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:noob cavman wrote:Well get thy logi ass on dust I got this thing, called a job, I am doing :(. Waiting for a plasma instrument to settle down so I can finish maintenance. :( and me, a logi? You should run with me sometime on my heavy... Would be fun... And you don't have to worry about the other end of that HMG I have a job cheeky bastard. XD indeed we should
lol I know. Silly euro people in your weird hours though. |
Zimander
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:09:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Here are some pictures I took from November 6, 2013 describing what Demens is talking about. I informed members of the CPM about it almost immediately after under the circumstance that it was anonymous (ironic, I know) and that it be reported to CCP to be fixed. I had figured it was a one time occurrence for the triple SP event so that our guys would reduce the grind time associated with the event but I found out later on that it was repeated several other times. This was the only time I participated and it was to gather pictures. Picture 1: http://i.imgur.com/BGnUvIw.jpgPicture 2: http://i.imgur.com/t1GPNzA.jpg
Aeon why u just showing 1 site of team why u didn't show all plaayers on bout team maybe becuz u r there to and don BS u left ANON long ago cuz u left ANON when everything fell a part like most players if u want put someone under the knife make sure u show all players on booth site I played for ANON and I know many ppl did that |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:28:00 -
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Zimander wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Here are some pictures I took from November 6, 2013 describing what Demens is talking about. I informed members of the CPM about it almost immediately after under the circumstance that it was anonymous (ironic, I know) and that it be reported to CCP to be fixed. I had figured it was a one time occurrence for the triple SP event so that our guys would reduce the grind time associated with the event but I found out later on that it was repeated several other times. This was the only time I participated and it was to gather pictures. Picture 1: http://i.imgur.com/BGnUvIw.jpgPicture 2: http://i.imgur.com/t1GPNzA.jpg Aeon why u just showing 1 site of team why u didn't show all plaayers on bout team maybe becuz u r there to and don BS u left ANON long ago cuz u left ANON when everything fell a part like most players if u want put someone under the knife make sure u show all players on booth site I played for ANON and I know many ppl did that
zim... He admits he was in it. Both in the statement, but he also included the picture of his sp and isk gain, which would be a dead giveaway... How could he get the pictures if he wasn't in the match? Also, consider that he might have, in order to get focus, not included half of the screen, as he was only getting a picture of the war points. Are you going to ask for pics of every name...? he even said in the part you quoted he was in it... so what are you mad about? |
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Zimander
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:40:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:Zimander wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Here are some pictures I took from November 6, 2013 describing what Demens is talking about. I informed members of the CPM about it almost immediately after under the circumstance that it was anonymous (ironic, I know) and that it be reported to CCP to be fixed. I had figured it was a one time occurrence for the triple SP event so that our guys would reduce the grind time associated with the event but I found out later on that it was repeated several other times. This was the only time I participated and it was to gather pictures. Picture 1: http://i.imgur.com/BGnUvIw.jpgPicture 2: http://i.imgur.com/t1GPNzA.jpg Aeon why u just showing 1 site of team why u didn't show all plaayers on bout team maybe becuz u r there to and don BS u left ANON long ago cuz u left ANON when everything fell a part like most players if u want put someone under the knife make sure u show all players on booth site I played for ANON and I know many ppl did that zim... He admits he was in it. Both in the statement, but he also included the picture of his sp and isk gain, which would be a dead giveaway... How could he get the pictures if he wasn't in the match? Also, consider that he might have, in order to get focus, not included half of the screen, as he was only getting a picture of the war points. Are you going to ask for pics of every name...? he even said in the part you quoted he was in it... so what are you mad about?
I'm not mad at all demon I just want make sure if he want to put someone head under the guillotine and in this situation Egypt have the balls to show all players who play in this match and 4 sure u van take full pix to show names and WP
PS Demon we need to squad up like in old times |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:00:00 -
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Yes we do Zim, I miss our old squads. We had a lot of fun bro.
like I said, I don't think the pictures were as insidious as you think. He probably needed to focus the picture and just got war points to make sure it was there. He posted it to prove my initial calculation (page #1) that shows you can make anywhere from 15k-90k war points by self-locking districts and PCing against yourself. His post was made to show that it is possible and to provide evidence... Not to throw people under the buss. |
Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:42:00 -
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That awkward moment when Technical Support/Bugs becomes The War Room...
Egypt Musk wrote:
Scared toll hides his owns stats he is just as guilty as anyone's names he chose to show based of his sp and that this was during triple sp week he " cheated" his way to over 14000 wp one of the ones right near the top of the list you cant see....and you did this many many times
If I were trying to hide it I wouldn't have included the first picture which showed my SP gains. Even still, I would have had to have been a part of that battle in order to get the pictures of the end-of-match scoreboard. Difficult to hide and attempt to exempt myself from that kind of evidence.
The second image only showed one side of the participants because I couldn't get a picture of the war-points with any degree of clarity unless I did so. The picture was taken with a smart phone and it's difficult enough just getting a picture of what's on the television at the time.
Egypt Musk wrote: Not fixated its just all in my notes ... I have your phone number and some other info as well from back in the day ;) Friends close enemies closer.
This is actually grounds for harassment, as would be the message that you sent me in-game.
Roofer Madness wrote:It takes a real little ***** to sit and point the finger on something you were DIRECTLY involved in. And then leave your name out of the picture. Good one!!! So ANON tried to play the big fish game and do a little farming. You saw how well that worked out..... And now the whiney little rage quitting neckbeards have to bring it back up like anyone gives a ****?
There is a level of ignorance (and I use that by it's text-book definition, not as an insult) in this post and I'll try my best to elaborate. Hiding my name wouldn't have done any good for two reasons: a.) I had to be in the battle for the duration in order to get a picture of my receiving 71,000 SP and the end-of-match scoreboard. b.) Upon reporting this incident to CCP, giving them date and time, they would have been able to see all participants from start to finish regardless of whether or not I told them who participated.
I'll post an excerpt from my Skype conversation when I had reported the issue back in November, albeit I am going to censor the recipient as I don't have their permission to share a conversation from a third party program:
"[11/6/2013 11:26:31 PM] Aeon Amadi: Anyway, so I told them that it probably wouldn't work because of Grayscale's recent implementation of the boosting safeguards - welp... Doesn't quite work as well as one might think. Tried it out myself for a good long while (I had 10,000 WP btw) and there was no diminishing returns at all. [11/6/2013 11:26:36 PM] Aeon Amadi: Just kept going and going and going. [11/6/2013 11:31:02 PM] Aeon Amadi: Nah, but I don't necessarily agree with it and if we thought about it you know for a fact that someone else did. [11/6/2013 11:33:21 PM] [REDACTED]: I'll poke logibro on the DL and let him know whats up (without names) and ask how to proceed [11/6/2013 11:33:55 PM] [REDACTED]: and that doesnt mean THEY'LL get punished either necessarily [11/6/2013 11:34:58 PM] [REDACTED]: I'm not going to just hand this over and throw everyone under the buss, I'll let you know what the situation is [11/6/2013 11:46:29 PM] [REDACTED]: My main interest here is in fixing the bucket, not in throwing them under the bus [11/6/2013 11:46:39 PM] [REDACTED]: we'll see if that's a side effect or not [11/6/2013 11:48:28 PM] Aeon Amadi: Oh wow, they re-attacked [11/6/2013 11:48:32 PM] Aeon Amadi: Doing it again tomorrow [11/6/2013 11:50:18 PM] [REDACTED]: this is why the limiters are in place [11/6/2013 11:50:21 PM] [REDACTED]: sucks they broke [11/6/2013 11:50:33 PM] [REDACTED]: water will flow where there's an opening, and there was one here [11/6/2013 11:51:26 PM] [REDACTED]: anywas I've sent a message to the CPM and to logibro"
So, as you can see, I actually made a very strong effort to defend everyone in the corporation at the time of the incident with a primary focus on fixing the issue, not punishing the offenders. Shame it had to blow over like this but that's just the way things go I suppose.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:54:00 -
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Zimander wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Here are some pictures I took from November 6, 2013 describing what Demens is talking about. I informed members of the CPM about it almost immediately after under the circumstance that it was anonymous (ironic, I know) and that it be reported to CCP to be fixed. I had figured it was a one time occurrence for the triple SP event so that our guys would reduce the grind time associated with the event but I found out later on that it was repeated several other times. This was the only time I participated and it was to gather pictures. Picture 1: http://i.imgur.com/BGnUvIw.jpgPicture 2: http://i.imgur.com/t1GPNzA.jpg Aeon why u just showing 1 site of team why u didn't show all plaayers on bout team maybe becuz u r there to and don BS u left ANON long ago cuz u left ANON when everything fell a part like most players if u want put someone under the knife make sure u show all players on booth site I played for ANON and I know many ppl did that
I never left ANON, I took a break because I was burnt out on PC and was expressing this in the middle of the matches where I was told to stick around because I was needed. After that last match I threw my controller through my television and left for several days to de-stress because I was at a point of unnecessary frustration.
I remained in ANONYMOUS until two weeks ago when Harle finally left; Crysis and I were the only remaining directors. Just as well, my Eve character is still in ANONYMOUS with the title of Director despite the corp only having a handful of people left.
As said in my previous post, if CCP wants to know who was part of that match they can just look it up by the date and time that I provided. I did everything in my power to both show that there was a noticeable exploit and keep everyone involved from receiving punishment and considering that we're all still playing, I'd say I did a pretty good job.
While I find it ultimately discouraging that I've lost friends over this, I feel it's a necessary evil - the game's health comes first.
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Oxskull Duncarino
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Posted - 2014.01.07 08:19:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:noob cavman wrote:I think I've had ale less bitter than this thread you're not drinking the malty stuff then :). I have had some very bitter ale... Tasted like vinegar, but damn it was good. o/ \o high five for good ale! Mmmm, I'm reading this in the early morning, and all I want is ale for breakfast now. Cheers noob |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.01.07 09:04:00 -
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Wow did all that escalate quickly!
Kudos to AE for reporting it and those that kept their cool in this post. I still can't believe its broken, and been broken this long when I'm complaining about my rep and guardian bonuses being removed during an intense short battle. It seems kinda ridiculous in comparison that one method was capped and another was not. Though I guess I should be thankfull for the ultimate weekly SP cap - otherwise where would we have ended?
Regardless the situation needs to be addressed. But how? I'm not the idea man for this one - skill, suit changes, and logi stuff I'm your guy. But for something like this I'll let other minds that have worked on this come up with the details. All I can do is just lend my voice to the issue.
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.07 09:14:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:
Guess what your boys harley and trap were the ones setting the attacks to make this happen what do you have to say to that sunshine :P Locking down all of anons districs in the end of November ... you guessed it Aeon and Harleys idea.
Also, this - as you pointed out, being at the end of November - was for Thanksgiving to give our guys a break.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2014.01.07 09:17:00 -
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RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:Wow did all that escalate quickly!
Kudos to AE for reporting it and those that kept their cool in this post. I still can't believe its broken, and been broken this long when I'm complaining about my rep and guardian bonuses being removed during an intense short battle. It seems kinda ridiculous in comparison that one method was capped and another was not. Though I guess I should be thankfull for the ultimate weekly SP cap - otherwise where would we have ended?
Regardless the situation needs to be addressed. But how? I'm not the idea man for this one - skill, suit changes, and logi stuff I'm your guy. But for something like this I'll let other minds that have worked on this come up with the details. All I can do is just lend my voice to the issue.
Thing is, it's not our job to come up with the solution - just make the problem known. Ultimately, it's on CCP to fix it and I'm sure they'll come up with far better solutions than we ever will. I wouldn't worry about it so much, honestly. Make take a year and a half but it'll eventually get patched out.
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Roofer Madness
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:14:00 -
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Aeon - come on man. Do you expect anyone to believe that you were only boosting for the good of the game and to take pictures and expose this game-breaking exploit? I really appreciate how reasonable you can be in your responses here on the forums (almost a polar opposite to how ragey you are in-game) but this is a bit too much. You even said yourself how it was during a 3x sp cap week and everyone was mostly doing it to fill that ridiculous grind. Isn't that enough without having to make everyone but YOU look bad. Then you even post a picture naming names (with Egypt's name smack dab front and center) and then state that you aren't trying to throw anyone under the bus? Well, maybe you weren't at the time of that Skype message but you certainly are throwing people under the bus now.
So excuse my ignorance but that's just what it looks like to me.
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Scrappy Bernard
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:41:00 -
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I've seen this before and supported them changing it.
Game-breaking? No you just have to attack the contract before hey do. Stupid as hell? Yeah.
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demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:47:00 -
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Scrappy Bernard wrote:I've seen this before and supported them changing it.
Game-breaking? No you just have to attack the contract before hey do. Stupid as hell? Yeah.
that is the problem... You have to be sitting there and snipe the district within seconds of it coming unlocked. That is silly |
Scrappy Bernard
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:53:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:Scrappy Bernard wrote:I've seen this before and supported them changing it.
Game-breaking? No you just have to attack the contract before hey do. Stupid as hell? Yeah.
that is the problem... You have to be sitting there and snipe the district within seconds of it coming unlocked. That is silly
Silly but not game breaking. What's more difficult, waking up at 4 am with 16 to play for 22% of MH, or sniping a district between 9-10pm?
The problem being all this will do is actually create more profit because the corps will just collude and agree to atack each others districts so that 1 clones arrives.
Then we're back at camping timers.
Also, just checked, skittles was incorrect that you get genolution in any form sans the return of the clone pack.
I'd like to see this new concern answered. Why replace locking districts with more locked districts, at essentially no cost? |
Scrappy Bernard
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:02:00 -
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BMSTUBBY wrote:Hey yeah CCP while you are at it, could you please fix that game breaking lag that is in PC as well. I mean it only been around since day one, no rush.
Ditto. |
Skittles McDuckett
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:09:00 -
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Scrappy Bernard wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Scrappy Bernard wrote:I've seen this before and supported them changing it.
Game-breaking? No you just have to attack the contract before hey do. Stupid as hell? Yeah.
that is the problem... You have to be sitting there and snipe the district within seconds of it coming unlocked. That is silly Silly but not game breaking. What's more difficult, waking up at 4 am with 16 to play for 22% of MH, or sniping a district between 9-10pm with 1 person? The problem being all this will do is actually create more profit because the corps will just collude and agree to atack each others districts so that 1 clones arrives. Then we're back at camping timers. Also, just checked, skittles was incorrect that you get genolution in any form sans the return of the clone pack. I'd like to see this new concern answered. Why replace locking districts with more locked districts, at essentially no cost? Edit: Also, until we have proof the idea that you could have characters camp the match and be paid 8-10 million because of time spent in match is dubious.
You didn't do it correctly. Or they fixed it, which would be awesome news.
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demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:42:00 -
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Scrappy Bernard wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Scrappy Bernard wrote:I've seen this before and supported them changing it.
Game-breaking? No you just have to attack the contract before hey do. Stupid as hell? Yeah.
that is the problem... You have to be sitting there and snipe the district within seconds of it coming unlocked. That is silly Silly but not game breaking. What's more difficult, waking up at 4 am with 16 to play for 22% of MH, or sniping a district between 9-10pm with 1 person? The problem being all this will do is actually create more profit because the corps will just collude and agree to atack each others districts so that 1 clones arrives. Then we're back at camping timers. Also, just checked, skittles was incorrect that you get genolution in any form sans the return of the clone pack. I'd like to see this new concern answered. Why replace locking districts with more locked districts, at essentially no cost? Edit: Also, until we have proof the idea that you could have characters camp the match and be paid 8-10 million because of time spent in match is dubious.
See, and the problem you're pointing out is one that shouldn't be brought up: time of the timers. If CCP wants this to be an international game, then they have to allow everyone to play. By allowing everyone to play, then you have to have the servers up at all times for them to play. Having a feature added that is time dependent has to be able to be customized to meet the timers of h those that have it. By stopping all non-wherever you live timers is only hurting everyone but you and those close to you. By isolating those groups on their own PC map, then they have no competition and can own the whole map and then just collect isk hand over fist (look at squad cup team entrances for a real example of this where the Asian bracket had all of 2 entries). This is not on the table from CCP's stand point, but what should be is fixing the system so that you don't have to hope that you catch a district before it is self-locked.
The amount isn't dubious and you're obviously an alt with the ability launch/control said things based on your statement... go afk for 2+ hours in one of your own empty PCs and see what you get. Once again, like I explained before, isk earned is based on time in match, with an extra multiplier added since it is a PC match. Go in one of your own district locks and see for yourself. Take pictures and mask your name and corp... Help fix the problem by showing proof you obviously have access too. |
Scrappy Bernard
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.07 19:53:00 -
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You have no response for how a fix is going prevent corps from sending clones to lock each others districts?
The suggestion of removing clone packs from PC is the worst idea of all. As the largest landowner in PC i'm sure it seem like a non self-serving idea to prevent new corps from entering PC, but the community is wise to see past that flagrant advantage to AE and ally's.
Presumptions that I have districts and thus justify allegations of partisanship in this matter through insinuations of engaging in district locking mentioned in the OP is a rather lame maneuver of preventing discussion.
I'm sure continuing to engage in such malfeasance is easier than answering quarries over how best to proceed in rectification.
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demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.07 20:14:00 -
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Scrappy Bernard wrote:You have no response for how a fix is going prevent corps from sending clones to lock each others districts?
The suggestion of removing clone packs from PC is the worst idea of all. As the largest landowner in PC i'm sure it seem like a non self-serving idea to prevent new corps from entering PC, but the community is wise to see past that flagrant advantage to AE and ally's.
Presumptions that I have districts and thus justify allegations of partisanship in this matter through insinuations of engaging in district locking mentioned in the OP is a rather lame maneuver of preventing discussion.
I'm sure continuing to engage in such malfeasance is easier than answering quarries over how best to proceed in rectification.
I think you completely missed the point of not only what I said, but also another post I had made prior. As you stated earlier, you checked on the biomass payment for your corp from such an endeavor (or, at least, the connotations were there that that is what you checked), and so I said, if that is what you are doing, then hop in the match and AFK, yourself, and see the gains. The amount given was from an AFK PC that was performed by a now non-land holding corporation (not ANONYMOUS) that was using their district solely for farming isk... I know several who were involved (and based on your above post, you probably do too) who had earned the amount I mentioned. The request to join such a PC was that the player kept 2 million isk and gave the remaining to the corporation/CEO that held the land. The figure is accurate... and if you had read my post and what I said, you would see nothing more then me suggesting that if you're already locking districts then to gather the proof for yourself. Since you're hiding behind an alt, you can say whatever you want or to impose any angle that you see fit.
Now, to the other part of selective reading, you left out that I, on page 3 (on a cell phone so this is based on memory) you will note I provided 3 points. The first point is that, roughly, they "punish the corporations that do this providing a cost that is more than they are earning". There are several routes that could be taken by this implications... increasing the cost of clone packs to some economically equal cost (lets say 60 million), remove isk pay outs from PC if the enemy is a no-show (for both sides), and to fix the bug that would return the isk of the clone pack upon launching a no-show PC. This is one of several routes that could be taken, however, I am not a member of CCP development and do not have the same statistical data that they have and therefore this is from an outsider who has no other way of coming up with ideas then as an armchair quarterback. What I am asking for, is for them to acknowledge that they are truly looking into a fix for this and that they have some ideas for a way to fix it.
Also, your step to say that we would greatly benefit from the clone packs is true, but so would locking our districts... but we don't. I proposed that thought ALONG with the thought that they could greatly increase the cost of clone packs in order to put a preventive measure in place until the time that they release their actual patch for this.
If you want anything else discussed, please either post on your main or prove in some way that you actually have skin in the game. I have the courtesy of posting and discussing this on my main, please provide this courtesy to the others who are wanting this openly discussed and fixed. |
Scrappy Bernard
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.08 02:22:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:Scrappy Bernard wrote:You have no response for how a fix is going prevent corps from sending clones to lock each others districts?
The suggestion of removing clone packs from PC is the worst idea of all. As the largest landowner in PC i'm sure it seem like a non self-serving idea to prevent new corps from entering PC, but the community is wise to see past that flagrant advantage to AE and ally's.
Presumptions that I have districts and thus justify allegations of partisanship in this matter through insinuations of engaging in district locking mentioned in the OP is a rather lame maneuver of preventing discussion.
I'm sure continuing to engage in such malfeasance is easier than answering quarries over how best to proceed in rectification.
I think you completely missed the point of not only what I said, but also another post I had made prior. As you stated earlier, you checked on the biomass payment for your corp from such an endeavor (or, at least, the connotations were there that that is what you checked), and so I said, if that is what you are doing, then hop in the match and AFK, yourself, and see the gains. The amount given was from an AFK PC that was performed by a now non-land holding corporation (not ANONYMOUS) that was using their district solely for farming isk... I know several who were involved (and based on your above post, you probably do too) who had earned the amount I mentioned. The request to join such a PC was that the player kept 2 million isk and gave the remaining to the corporation/CEO that held the land. The figure is accurate... and if you had read my post and what I said, you would see nothing more then me suggesting that if you're already locking districts then to gather the proof for yourself. Since you're hiding behind an alt, you can say whatever you want or to impose any angle that you see fit. Now, to the other part of selective reading, you left out that I, on page 3 (on a cell phone so this is based on memory) you will note I provided 3 points. The first point is that, roughly, they "punish the corporations that do this providing a cost that is more than they are earning". There are several routes that could be taken by this implications... increasing the cost of clone packs to some economically equal cost (lets say 60 million), remove isk pay outs from PC if the enemy is a no-show (for both sides), and to fix the bug that would return the isk of the clone pack upon launching a no-show PC. This is one of several routes that could be taken, however, I am not a member of CCP development and do not have the same statistical data that they have and therefore this is from an outsider who has no other way of coming up with ideas then as an armchair quarterback. What I am asking for, is for them to acknowledge that they are truly looking into a fix for this and that they have some ideas for a way to fix it. Also, your step to say that we would greatly benefit from the clone packs is true, but so would locking our districts... but we don't. I proposed that thought ALONG with the thought that they could greatly increase the cost of clone packs in order to put a preventive measure in place until the time that they release their actual patch for this. If you want anything else discussed, please either post on your main or prove in some way that you actually have skin in the game. I have the courtesy of posting and discussing this on my main, please provide this courtesy to the others who are wanting this openly discussed and fixed.
a.) assumption
b.) because aforementioned assumption is false I need more proof than your lousy claim
c.) thus C, you continue to make claims that are only that. You have to prove your claim...not tell the person that's curious for proof to go do it themselves.
d.) increasing the cost of entry into PC more...fail. 90% of the playerbase already can't be bothered to contest PC because of the isk sink in taking 1 district. 180 million to take a cargo hub assuming you can fight 450 clones with just 360? Fail...
e.) until proven otherwise there is no isk payout aside from the clone pack refund if both sides no show thus "remove isk pay outs from PC if the enemy is a no-show (for both sides)" is another...fail.
f.) This has not been acknowledged as a bug. I personally think refunding a pack you can't show to is a healthy endictment of PC being 2 costly and an attempt at helping it be less so.
g.) what would locking your districts do for you? Unless you weren't blue to PD (17%), NS (22%), PFC (10%), DDB (8%), and other corps you refuse to attack like knightz? In all you blued up about 75% of MH and complain about needing to snipe contracts? Fail.
h.) Assuming this isn't my main...FAIL
i.) Assuming only those who beat you in game are worth listening too....ULTIMATE FAIL |
Scrappy Bernard
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.08 02:24:00 -
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Also....wall of text. Learn to TL;DR. |
Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.08 04:57:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:You even said yourself how it was during a 3x sp cap week and everyone was mostly doing it to fill that ridiculous grind. Isn't that enough without having to make everyone but YOU look bad. Then you even post a picture naming names (with Egypt's name smack dab front and center) and then state that you aren't trying to throw anyone under the bus? Well, maybe you weren't at the time of that Skype message but you certainly are throwing people under the bus now.
So excuse my ignorance but that's just what it looks like to me.
My intention was to draw attention to the exploit. I did my best to do so responsibly and without consequence to those who participated at the time and, as previously stated, done so with great success considering that everyone is here to poke holes and attack straw men. I am not exempt from this in any way, shape or form and would fully accept punishment if my "proof" lead to bans for that instance. Thanks for your time but I won't be responding any further to replies as it seems to be going no where.
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