DUST Search - [Game mechanic being abused] This breaks Planetary Conquest

demens grimwulff wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Here are some pictures I took from November 6, 2013 describing what Demens is talking about. I informed members of the CPM about it almost immediately after under the circumstance that it was anonymous (ironic, I know) and that it be reported to CCP to be fixed. I had figured it was a one time occurrence for the triple SP event so that our guys would reduce the grind time associated with the event but I found out later on that it was repeated several other times. This was the only time I participated and it was to gather pictures.

Picture 1: http://i.imgur.com/BGnUvIw.jpg
Picture 2: http://i.imgur.com/t1GPNzA.jpg

I was invited to this but quickly left after finding out what they were doing... after they continued to do this, this became part of the wedge that drove me to drop ANON and my directorship. I can not support game breaking mechanics like this... Several members of ANON capped out their main and alts in this manner...

Would like to see them respond, seeing as Amadi kept this as evidence... Which I didn't know about. Thanks for posting it bro... If this doesn't convince others that this is game breaking, I don't know what will (keep in mind, he was on the losing side so no rewarded isk, and that they were hacking objectives, also, giving them decreased play time)


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Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4250	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:15:00 - [1] - Quote It's nothing new, been an issue for a long time. It's also intended design, believe it or not - so there's not going to be much done here in the technical support forums. Best bet is to propose feedback in the Feedback/Requests sub-forum and get a backing and support. Thanks for posting this either way. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4318	Posted - 2014.01.04 01:33:00 - [2] - Quote Here are some pictures I took from November 6, 2013 describing what Demens is talking about. I informed members of the CPM about it almost immediately after under the circumstance that it was anonymous (ironic, I know) and that it be reported to CCP to be fixed. I had figured it was a one time occurrence for the triple SP event so that our guys would reduce the grind time associated with the event but I found out later on that it was repeated several other times. This was the only time I participated and it was to gather pictures. Picture 1: http://i.imgur.com/BGnUvIw.jpg Picture 2: http://i.imgur.com/t1GPNzA.jpg forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4337	Posted - 2014.01.04 20:21:00 - [3] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Here are some pictures I took from November 6, 2013 describing what Demens is talking about. I informed members of the CPM about it almost immediately after under the circumstance that it was anonymous (ironic, I know) and that it be reported to CCP to be fixed. I had figured it was a one time occurrence for the triple SP event so that our guys would reduce the grind time associated with the event but I found out later on that it was repeated several other times. This was the only time I participated and it was to gather pictures. Picture 1: http://i.imgur.com/BGnUvIw.jpg Picture 2: http://i.imgur.com/t1GPNzA.jpg I was invited to this but quickly left after finding out what they were doing... after they continued to do this, this became part of the wedge that drove me to drop ANON and my directorship. I can not support game breaking mechanics like this... Several members of ANON capped out their main and alts in this manner... Would like to see them respond, seeing as Amadi kept this as evidence... Which I didn't know about. Thanks for posting it bro... If this doesn't convince others that this is game breaking, I don't know what will (keep in mind, he was on the losing side so no rewarded isk, and that they were hacking objectives, also, giving them decreased play time) Lol, don't forget forge-gunning/rail-gunning Bolas' that were dropping in free LAVs forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4371	Posted - 2014.01.07 07:42:00 - [4] - Quote That awkward moment when Technical Support/Bugs becomes The War Room... Egypt Musk wrote: Scared toll hides his owns stats he is just as guilty as anyone's names he chose to show based of his sp and that this was during triple sp week he " cheated" his way to over 14000 wp one of the ones right near the top of the list you cant see....and you did this many many times If I were trying to hide it I wouldn't have included the first picture which showed my SP gains. Even still, I would have had to have been a part of that battle in order to get the pictures of the end-of-match scoreboard. Difficult to hide and attempt to exempt myself from that kind of evidence. The second image only showed one side of the participants because I couldn't get a picture of the war-points with any degree of clarity unless I did so. The picture was taken with a smart phone and it's difficult enough just getting a picture of what's on the television at the time. Egypt Musk wrote: Not fixated its just all in my notes ... I have your phone number and some other info as well from back in the day ;) Friends close enemies closer. This is actually grounds for harassment, as would be the message that you sent me in-game. Roofer Madness wrote: It takes a real little *** to sit and point the finger on something you were DIRECTLY involved in. And then leave your name out of the picture. Good one!!! So ANON tried to play the big fish game and do a little farming. You saw how well that worked out..... And now the whiney little rage quitting neckbeards have to bring it back up like anyone gives a **? There is a level of ignorance (and I use that by it's text-book definition, not as an insult) in this post and I'll try my best to elaborate. Hiding my name wouldn't have done any good for two reasons: a.) I had to be in the battle for the duration in order to get a picture of my receiving 71,000 SP and the end-of-match scoreboard. b.) Upon reporting this incident to CCP, giving them date and time, they would have been able to see all participants from start to finish regardless of whether or not I told them who participated. I'll post an excerpt from my Skype conversation when I had reported the issue back in November, albeit I am going to censor the recipient as I don't have their permission to share a conversation from a third party program: "[11/6/2013 11:26:31 PM] Aeon Amadi: Anyway, so I told them that it probably wouldn't work because of Grayscale's recent implementation of the boosting safeguards - welp... Doesn't quite work as well as one might think. Tried it out myself for a good long while (I had 10,000 WP btw) and there was no diminishing returns at all. [11/6/2013 11:26:36 PM] Aeon Amadi: Just kept going and going and going. [11/6/2013 11:31:02 PM] Aeon Amadi: Nah, but I don't necessarily agree with it and if we thought about it you know for a fact that someone else did. [11/6/2013 11:33:21 PM] [REDACTED]: I'll poke logibro on the DL and let him know whats up (without names) and ask how to proceed [11/6/2013 11:33:55 PM] [REDACTED]: and that doesnt mean THEY'LL get punished either necessarily [11/6/2013 11:34:58 PM] [REDACTED]: I'm not going to just hand this over and throw everyone under the buss, I'll let you know what the situation is [11/6/2013 11:46:29 PM] [REDACTED]: My main interest here is in fixing the bucket, not in throwing them under the bus [11/6/2013 11:46:39 PM] [REDACTED]: we'll see if that's a side effect or not [11/6/2013 11:48:28 PM] Aeon Amadi: Oh wow, they re-attacked [11/6/2013 11:48:32 PM] Aeon Amadi: Doing it again tomorrow [11/6/2013 11:50:18 PM] [REDACTED]: this is why the limiters are in place [11/6/2013 11:50:21 PM] [REDACTED]: sucks they broke [11/6/2013 11:50:33 PM] [REDACTED]: water will flow where there's an opening, and there was one here [11/6/2013 11:51:26 PM] [REDACTED]: anywas I've sent a message to the CPM and to logibro" So, as you can see, I actually made a very strong effort to defend everyone in the corporation at the time of the incident with a primary focus on fixing the issue, not punishing the offenders. Shame it had to blow over like this but that's just the way things go I suppose. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4372	Posted - 2014.01.07 07:54:00 - [5] - Quote Zimander wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Here are some pictures I took from November 6, 2013 describing what Demens is talking about. I informed members of the CPM about it almost immediately after under the circumstance that it was anonymous (ironic, I know) and that it be reported to CCP to be fixed. I had figured it was a one time occurrence for the triple SP event so that our guys would reduce the grind time associated with the event but I found out later on that it was repeated several other times. This was the only time I participated and it was to gather pictures. Picture 1: http://i.imgur.com/BGnUvIw.jpg Picture 2: http://i.imgur.com/t1GPNzA.jpg Aeon why u just showing 1 site of team why u didn't show all plaayers on bout team maybe becuz u r there to and don BS u left ANON long ago cuz u left ANON when everything fell a part like most players if u want put someone under the knife make sure u show all players on booth site I played for ANON and I know many ppl did that I never left ANON, I took a break because I was burnt out on PC and was expressing this in the middle of the matches where I was told to stick around because I was needed. After that last match I threw my controller through my television and left for several days to de-stress because I was at a point of unnecessary frustration. I remained in ANONYMOUS until two weeks ago when Harle finally left; Crysis and I were the only remaining directors. Just as well, my Eve character is still in ANONYMOUS with the title of Director despite the corp only having a handful of people left. As said in my previous post, if CCP wants to know who was part of that match they can just look it up by the date and time that I provided. I did everything in my power to both show that there was a noticeable exploit and keep everyone involved from receiving punishment and considering that we're all still playing, I'd say I did a pretty good job. While I find it ultimately discouraging that I've lost friends over this, I feel it's a necessary evil - the game's health comes first. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4373	Posted - 2014.01.07 09:14:00 - [6] - Quote Egypt Musk wrote: Guess what your boys harley and trap were the ones setting the attacks to make this happen what do you have to say to that sunshine :P Locking down all of anons districs in the end of November ... you guessed it Aeon and Harleys idea. Also, this - as you pointed out, being at the end of November - was for Thanksgiving to give our guys a break. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4373	Posted - 2014.01.07 09:17:00 - [7] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Wow did all that escalate quickly! Kudos to AE for reporting it and those that kept their cool in this post. I still can't believe its broken, and been broken this long when I'm complaining about my rep and guardian bonuses being removed during an intense short battle. It seems kinda ridiculous in comparison that one method was capped and another was not. Though I guess I should be thankfull for the ultimate weekly SP cap - otherwise where would we have ended? Regardless the situation needs to be addressed. But how? I'm not the idea man for this one - skill, suit changes, and logi stuff I'm your guy. But for something like this I'll let other minds that have worked on this come up with the details. All I can do is just lend my voice to the issue. Thing is, it's not our job to come up with the solution - just make the problem known. Ultimately, it's on CCP to fix it and I'm sure they'll come up with far better solutions than we ever will. I wouldn't worry about it so much, honestly. Make take a year and a half but it'll eventually get patched out. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4495	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:57:00 - [8] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: You even said yourself how it was during a 3x sp cap week and everyone was mostly doing it to fill that ridiculous grind. Isn't that enough without having to make everyone but YOU look bad. Then you even post a picture naming names (with Egypt's name smack dab front and center) and then state that you aren't trying to throw anyone under the bus? Well, maybe you weren't at the time of that Skype message but you certainly are throwing people under the bus now. So excuse my ignorance but that's just what it looks like to me. My intention was to draw attention to the exploit. I did my best to do so responsibly and without consequence to those who participated at the time and, as previously stated, done so with great success considering that everyone is here to poke holes and attack straw men. I am not exempt from this in any way, shape or form and would fully accept punishment if my "proof" lead to bans for that instance. Thanks for your time but I won't be responding any further to replies as it seems to be going no where. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182